Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Yoda · May 29, 2022

Ni vyema ukufahamu haya kwa sababu Historia imekupitia kushoto kidogo,

China ilipata maendeleo kwa gharama ya Wachina zaidi ya million 20 waliouwawa na utawala Mao kwa njaa, kufanyishwa kazi za kitumwa kwa nguvu au kwa sababu walikuwa matajiri.China ilipata maendeleo makubwa zaidi kuanzia miaka ya 1980 baada ya kuufungua uchumi wake kwa uwekezaji wa nje wa magharibi na kuingia soko la magharibi.

Eastern Europe ilapata maendeleo makubwa kuanzia mwaka 1990 baada ya USSR kuanguka na nchi nyingi za USSR ikiwemo Russia kuachana na ujamaa na kukumbatia ubepari .Kabla ya hapo mataifa mengi ya USSR yalikuwa maskini kapuku wa kutupwa.

India haijawahi kufuata sera za kijamaa.

Covax said:
Naomba uelewe kitu kimoja kwamba nchi yoyote ilio fuata development model ya ussr ya 'economy self reliance' US na wa shikaji wake walianza kuishambulia, kwa kila njia zikiwemo kuanzisha vikundi vya waasi, assassination of key leaders na economic sabotage za kila aina, development model ya self reliance economy haikupewa mda kua tested but was the best, China India Eastern Europe zilipata mda ndo unaona matokeo ya uchumi zao.

US na his capitalist ally ndo adui wakubwa wa new development ya Africa, wemezuia Africa kubuni new development strategies kila nchi inalazimisha ku-implenent outdated SAp (structural adjustments policy)ambayo I.eshondikana kwa Africa, kwahiyo Russia ndo mkombozi wetu kwenye hizo nchi, tunaomba hiyo operation iendelee beyond Ukuraini tena Mungu aki tusaidia Nuke moja iende London mji mkuu wa wingereza mambo mengi ya tabadilika in Africa......

Galip Veryl · May 29, 2022

Covax said:
Kama really US na EU are the fathers of democracy human rights freedom of press and free-trade kulikua hamna haja ya kuzuia RF na other Russia media ku-oparate in western countries, hiyo ndo hypocrisy ya hizo nchi kujifisha kwenye democracy wakati wana hidden military na eçonomic agandas, kupora mali za oligarch wa Russia bila ushahidi ni wizi mtupu na wivu, ilionyesha jinsi hizo nchi zilivo bado primitive.

Hili bandiko taam, zaidi nimekunukuu sehem niliyoipenda zaidi.

Champagnee said:
Hizi ndo Fikra za vijana wa Africa ambaye haamini kwenye kujitegemea fwala sana, mwanaume ukishakua unapenda vya bure namashaka na wewe [emoji2380]

Anaomba ela ya vocha kwa shemeji yake amtumie dem wake ili awasiliane na mchepuko wake! So stupid as ffffff...k!

1954 said:
Government of the elites by the elites for the elites..

Mzee mwenzangu umetoa definition nyoofu sana, tutoe mfano hapa bongo issue za tozo 😂😂😂. Democracy ya kwenye makaratasi ilitumika kweli?

mwayena said:
Duh! Kuna watoto watakuita baba au mama sio?

Akizeeka ataitwa babu pia 😂, ila dunia ina mambo hii.

lee van cliff said:
Mimi sio Muislam,lakini nafurahi sana kuona ndani ya Urusi Kuna Warusi waislam,baadhi ni wanajeshi,na wanapigana kwa mzuka mkubwa sana.
Nalipenda hii.
Msiniulize sababu.
Nimependa TU.

Mimi ni Muislam na naipenda Russia, Upande wa dini Russia zipo nyingi mno mbali na Uislam na Ukristo, yet wanaheshimiana na huezi kuta kuna migogoro ya kidini nchini hapo. Kwa kifupi kiimani wanaheshimiana sana tena sana.

Ask-Q said:
It's better to be silent than to dispute with ignorant, waacheni kama walivyo tu, you can't argue with ignorances. Na huenda isiwe upumbafu mwingi unaowasumbua bali illusion of knowledge plus Ego that destroying them from within.

Umenuna sio 😂😂😂

Ask-Q said:
Narudia tena huezi shindana na mpumbafu ukaonekana una akili. Kitakachofata ni ku-trigger emotions, mshikwe na hasira muanze kutukanana kitendo ambacho si cha kiungwana....

Sure, unaweza kujikuta unakasirika ukakosa stara ya kinywa mkaanza matusi kutukanana...

Bugucha said:
We Acha kuandika ujinga, Democracy ilianza ugiriki,usifikiri unajadiliana na watoto hapa!

😂
Na ile democracy iliyoanzishwa na wagiriki sio hii iliyopo hivi leo. Hii ya sasa sio democracy but demon-cracy.

Ask-Q said:
Like hapa kuna mwingine kani'qoute na hatoona abadani nampa attention 😂,

Mtaje tumjue 😂😂😂

dyzle said:
This is real T14 Armata i knew, i do respect you mwalim shida mimi kama pro Russia najua kuchanganua
Ukizidisha mahaba unaishusha heshma yako tupo wengi ambao tunapita kimya kimya ila Alhamdulillah tunauwelewa mkubwa wa kupambanua

Surely! Alikuwa vizuri akatekwa na mrembo Joannah plus bibi Nyamizi mahaba yakamzdia akaanza kuvuruga mambo 😂

Ila sa hivi kapunguza akirejea taratibu kwenye status aliyokua nayo

Bugucha · May 29, 2022

Kwa hiyo Putin Hana makombora Aina hiyo? Hata javelin mlipiga kelele hivi hivi!

Yoda · May 29, 2022

Hata Russia kulikuwa na makumpuni makubwa ya mafuta na gesi. Baadhi ni ExxonMobil na BP ambayo tayari imejiondoa kutokana na uvamizi wa Ukraine.

KIDUNUNDU said:
Yaani ni Capitalism mwenye nguvu mpe. Na mdogo atafikiriwa. Hii dunia yafaa iwe reset turudi kwenye barter trade exchange of economic goods rather than monopoly of economic goods.
Assume leo Russia yake makumpuninya Gas na nk yangekuwa foreign?

Yoda · May 29, 2022

Dunia haitakaa irudi kwenye barter trade, Hata huyo Russia unayemshangilia ni bepari wa kutupwa na mfumo wake wa ubepari ni Oligarchs hao ambao unasikia boti zao za kifahari na pesa kwenye benki za Ulaya zimekamatwa baada ya vikwazo.
Mfano wa Oligarchs mkubwa wa Russia ni Roman Abromovich aliyepoteza timu ya mpira ya Chelsea.

KIDUNUNDU said:
Yaani ni Capitalism mwenye nguvu mpe. Na mdogo atafikiriwa. Hii dunia yafaa iwe reset turudi kwenye barter trade exchange of economic goods rather than monopoly of economic goods.
Assume leo Russia yake makumpuninya Gas na nk yangekuwa foreign?

lee Vladimir cleef · May 29, 2022

Ask-Q said:
Naam ulifanya la maana sana mdau. Like hapa kuna mwingine kani'qoute na hatoona abadani nampa attention 😂, Ujue mdau hata porini Simba hawachanganyikani na Mbwa mwitu katika maisha yao kila siku japo wanaishi msitu mmoja.

Simba hawezi kumlazimisha Fisi aache kula vibudu kwani ile ni asili yake. Ama tembo amlazimishe chui ale manyasi kama yeye kwani ni kinyume na nature yake! Same na kwangu niko selective sana na watu wa kujadiliana nao.

Huu mgogoro wa kiitikadi between Capitalism and Socialism, Democracy and Communism haukuanza jana na wala hautaisha leo kila mtu ashike zake atulie.

Nakuelewa sana Yani.

Kuna watu sio kwamba Wana misimamo hapan,maana Kuna misimamo in faida.
Bali watu ni wapumbavu maana hata ukiwaelimisha hawaelimiki,kitendo Cha kutokuelewa watu wengine wanadhani ndio misismamo.

Mtu unamuelewesha mara moja haelewei unarudia Tena haelewei,
Aisee "unamwacha"

ngaboru · May 29, 2022

Covax said:
Mkuu tatizo la Africa sio kukosa viwanda au kukosa mitaji, naomba ujue tatizo kubwa la Africa kufika hapa tulipo ni economic and political intervetion of US and EU, Africa inashindwa kuamuwa development model yake bila sobatage ya ulaya na policy yao ya divide and rule, US na Wingereza zikipolomoka leo, Africa itabadilika iwe kama tiger economy, Russia hana shida na Africa hana unafiki na hana unyonyoji........kwa hiyo kwa lolote linalo weza kushusha US na EU na lisapoti kwa 100% hata ziwe Nukus Baba Putin pinga tu, Africa tumechoka double standard capitalists

Hata sijui nisemeje umemaliza kila kitu.

Yoda · May 29, 2022

Hakuna tena mgogoro kati ya Capitalism na Communism au Socialism. Mfumo wa Ujamaa ulikufa ilipoanguka USSR na hautarudi tena. Russia ya leo ni capitalism, China nayo ni Capitalism yenye mkono mrefu wa serikali.

Mgogoro mkubwa uliobaki duniani ni kati ya Democracy na Dictatorship/Autocracy na huu utadumu muda mrefu sana kwa sababu kuna mataifa ya kidemokrasia yanaangukia kwenye udikteta na mataifa ya kidekteta yanaoingia kwenye demokrasia.

Ask-Q said:
Naam ulifanya la maana sana mdau. Like hapa kuna mwingine kani'qoute na hatoona abadani nampa attention [emoji23], Ujue mdau hata porini Simba hawachanganyikani na Mbwa mwitu katika maisha yao kila siku japo wanaishi msitu mmoja.

Simba hawezi kumlazimisha Fisi aache kula vibudu kwani ile ni asili yake. Ama tembo amlazimishe chui ale manyasi kama yeye kwani ni kinyume na nature yake! Same na kwangu niko selective sana na watu wa kujadiliana nao.

Huu mgogoro wa kiitikadi between Capitalism and Socialism, Democracy and Communism haukuanza jana na wala hautaisha leo kila mtu ashike zake atulie.

ngaboru · May 29, 2022

Kilikua na Egyptian wakapita, Persians wakapita, Romans wakapita, greece wakapita,kubali jombaaa kila zama na kitabu chake hatutarudi kwenye barter trade ila kwenye maisha yenye unafuu kwa mtoto wa Africa.

Mto wa mbu · May 29, 2022

Bugucha said:
Kwa hiyo Putin Hana makombora Aina hiyo? Hata javelin mlipiga kelele hivi hivi!

Unajua isingekuwa Javelin Kiev ingeondoka

PD_Magumba · May 29, 2022

Yoda said:
Relax,
Hakuna tuzo kwa Pro Russia au Pro Ukraine.
Tuzo zitatolewa kwa Raia wa Ukraine tu na foreign legion walioko mstari wa mbele wa vita wakitetea uhuru na sovereignty ya Ukraine kama taifa huru.

Inaonekana unajielewa ila huelewi unacho kiongerea. Uko biased and too theoretical on fact issues.

ngaboru · May 29, 2022

lee van cliff said:
Nakuelewa sana Yani.

Kuna watu sio kwamba Wana misimamo hapan,maana Kuna misimamo in faida.
Bali watu ni wapumbavu maana hata ukiwaelimisha hawaelimiki,kitendo Cha kutokuelewa watu wengine wanadhani ndio misismamo.

Mtu unamuelewesha mara moja haelewei unarudia Tena haelewei,
Aisee "unamwacha"

😂😂😂😂Kwamba tutusa alafu anajifanya ndio msimamo 🙌🙌🙌😂😂😂😂lig zao mwisho mtaani kwao.

PD_Magumba · May 29, 2022

Bugucha said:
We Acha kuandika ujinga, Democracy ilianza ugiriki,usifikiri unajadiliana na watoto hapa!

Akikujibu naomba unitag

CARIFONIA · May 29, 2022

inshu sio kumpa vislaha vya enzi za ujima tunataka nato wakiongozwa na baba yao America watie maguu kwenye uwanja wa vita kama walivyofanya Iraq, Libya , Afghanstan na pale kosovo, hapo ndio tutajua Putin anapigana na wanume, ila kwa sasa kwa hizi ngojera wanazoleta watabaki kua ni kikund kinachounda umoja wa machoko against mwamba Putin

KIDUNUNDU · May 29, 2022

Yoda said:
Huu ugonjwa wa kujidanganya na kuamini tumedumaa kimaendeleo kwa sababu ya US au EU ni janga lingine kubwa zaidi ya Corona barani Africa, madikteta na viongozi incompetent wa Africa yanaipenda sana hii CD kwa sababu inawasaidia kuepuka uwajibikaji na kushindwa kwao.

Hiyo lawama ipo tu.
Kabla ya ukoloni kulikuwa ni utumwa. Wale waliokuwa na nguvu walibebwa wakabaki weakest na iliharubu kabisa family system za kiafrika.
Ukoloni ulikuwa unyonyaji big time na ilikuwa ni kubeba tu rasilimali kifupi wangekuja leo wangekuja na gear ya demokrasia kuwa u Chief ni udikiteta lakini sio Ufalme.
Hawakupenda tuwe huru ndio maana serikali zote zilikuwa haziendani nazo walizitoa mfano Patrice na Angola.
Zimbabwe imepewa bendera 1980 na 2000 imeonyeshwa na mabepari kuwa wao wapo na wanamoliki.
Kwa sasa huwezi kuishi nje ya mifumo yao na ukitaka uishi kama Amazonian.
Kifupi huna ubavu wa kuanzisha mfumo wowote wa kiutawala wakaukubali kirahisi huku wakijua ni threat kwao.

Chibolo · May 29, 2022

Ngoja tuone mchezo utakavyoenda

rommy shabby · May 29, 2022

Amna jipya hapo

KIDUNUNDU · May 29, 2022

PD_Magumba said:
Inaonekana unajielewa ila huelewi unacho kiongerea. Uko biased and too theoretical on fact issues.

Anatuchora tu. Anajua vitu kibao nadhani atakuwa academician anafanya research.

eliakeem · May 29, 2022

Championship said:
Moto unaelekea Moscow

Baada ya hapo Washington na London.

Patakuwa watamu sana.

PD_Magumba · May 29, 2022

Kwa hyo anatupiga Technical Questioniour!!!

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