Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Kipala · Jul 1, 2022

Champagnee said:
Kama mmedhibiti anga sasa si mkomboe maeneo yaliyochukuliwa kma umeweza kumiliki anga inamaana unauwezo wa kufanya chochote. Sasa mbona maeneo yana megwa daily na kuna taarfia wanajeshi 6000 wa Ukraine wame surrender mnafeli wapi chief?? Kama anga mmemiliki

Mfano ukiangalia kuondka kwa Warusi Snake ISland. Ukpenda kuamini walikwenda kwa hiari yao, basi. Siamini.

Naelewa malezo ya Ukraine, kuna uhusiano na mizinga yao mpya ya 2S22 Bohdana. Wana chache tu lakini zinaweza kurusha grenedi janja 6 kwa dakika. Labda wameweka mbili tu kwenye pwani linalotazama kisiwa, ilhali wana picha kamili ya kila kitu, waliweza kuleta uharibifu mkubwa, bila Warusi kuwa na uwezo kujibu. Hivyo walikimbia.

Sasa mizinga hii iliweza kupiga kisiwa kutoka sehemu ndogo ya mwambao pekee, maana hazifiki zaidi ya kilomita 40. Sehemu hii ya mwambao iko kusini kabisa, karibu na mpaka wa Romania, urefu kama kilomita 16 na kutoka huko umbali hadi kisiwa ni chini ya km 40.

Kama Urusi ingekuwa na uwezo wa anga, ingetuma ndege 2 na kufyeka mizinga ya 2S22 Bohdana,
Ila hawakufanya. Kwa nini?

Nahisi wanakosa uwezo.

Hivyo afadhali kuwaondoa wanajeshi hapa kuliko kutazama jinsi walivyouawa wote.

John mungo · Jul 1, 2022

PD_Magumba said:
Wanavyo ng'ang'ania utazani Wamerusha hata baluti tu pale Snake Island mpaka Russia kuondoka.

Russia kaondoka kwa malengo mapana Sana. Subiri muone...

Hakika kuna mtego umewekwa pale, putin akili kubwa sana na wanao mzunguka ni hatari kuliko yeye putin, Tuvute subirá kidogo hamta amini 😂😂😂😂

Msulibasi · Jul 1, 2022

Kipala said:
Mfano ukiangalia kuondka kwa Warusi Snake ISland. Ukpenda kuamini walikwenda kwa hiari yao, basi. Siamini.

Naelewa malezo ya Ukraine, kuna uhusiano na mizinga yao mpya ya 2S22 Bohdana. Wana chache tu lakini zinaweza kurusha grenedi janja 6 kwa dakika. Labda wameweka mbili tu kwenye pwani linalotazama kisiwa, ilhali wana picha kamili ya kila kitu, waliweza kuleta uharibifu mkubwa, bila Warusi kuwa na uwezo kujibu. Hivyo walikimbia.

Sasa mizinga hii iliweza kupiga kisiwa kutoka sehemu ndogo ya mwambao pekee, maana hazipiga zaidi ya kilomita 40. Sehemu hii ya mwambao iko kusini kabisa, karibu na mpaka wa Romania, urefu kama kilomita 16 na kutoka hukoumbali hadi kisiwa ni chini ya km 40.

Kama Uusi ingekuwa na uwezo wa anga, ingetuma ndege 2 na kufyeka mizinga ya 2S22 Bohdana,
Ila hawakufanya. Kwa nini?

Nahisi wanakosa uwezo.

Hivyo afadhali kuwaondoa wanajeshi hapa kuliko kutazama jinsi walivyouawa wote.

Nato kaeni kwenye kisiwa

Msulibasi · Jul 1, 2022

WITHOUT SNAKE ISLAND OR CRUISER MOSKVA, AN AMPHIBIOUS ASSAULT ON ODESA IS ALL BUT IMPOSSIBLE
Snake Island is what we call "Decisive Terrain" for Russia if it wants to land forces and attack Odesa from the sea. It would provide a vital and unsinkable position from which to base air defense systems to cover the assault, as well as anti-ship missiles and long range artillery to support the landings themselves.

They might probably have been able to do that with just the cruiser Moskva... but the Ukrainians converted that ship into a submarine now, and it is not much help to Russia in that capacity. [emoji846]

For Ukraine's part, they don't actually need the island. They just need to keep the Russians off of it.

They have now accomplished that. [emoji6]

Click&read more from BBC

Snake Island: Why Russia couldn't hold on to strategic Black Sea outcrop

Russia claims it is a gesture of goodwill, but the withdrawal from a Black Sea rock is a big defeat.

www.bbc.com

#ukraine #Russia #Putin #snakeisland #HarryRamsbottom

Msulibasi · Jul 1, 2022

Msulibasi said:
WITHOUT SNAKE ISLAND OR CRUISER MOSKVA, AN AMPHIBIOUS ASSAULT ON ODESA IS ALL BUT IMPOSSIBLE
Snake Island is what we call "Decisive Terrain" for Russia if it wants to land forces and attack Odesa from the sea. It would provide a vital and unsinkable position from which to base air defense systems to cover the assault, as well as anti-ship missiles and long range artillery to support the landings themselves.

They might probably have been able to do that with just the cruiser Moskva... but the Ukrainians converted that ship into a submarine now, and it is not much help to Russia in that capacity. [emoji846]

For Ukraine's part, they don't actually need the island. They just need to keep the Russians off of it.

They have now accomplished that. [emoji6]

Click&read more from BBC

Snake Island: Why Russia couldn't hold on to strategic Black Sea outcrop

Russia claims it is a gesture of goodwill, but the withdrawal from a Black Sea rock is a big defeat.

www.bbc.com

#ukraine #Russia #Putin #snakeisland #HarryRamsbottom

Russia will come up with novel solution , Ingawa niliwahi kusema kuchelewa kuchukua Oddessa ni tatizo kubwa sana kwa Russia ingawa itachukuliwa

Kipala · Jul 1, 2022

Msulibasi said:
Nato kaeni kwenye kisiwa

Mkuu, hakuna NATO huko. NATO haiko Ukraine, na Ukraine haiko NATO hadi sasa wala haikuwepo. Labda kwa bahati mbaya. Ninaamini Bwana Putin angehofia kushambulia nchi ya NATO.
Lakini kwa upande mwingine, siku hizi NATO ina madai fulani kwa nchi kuwa mwanachama, kama vile demokrasia, au kupinga ufisadi. Zamani hawakufanya vile, siku hizi ni tofauti..
Hapa kuna kazi bado nchini Ukraine.

Cash Generating Unit · Jul 1, 2022

Kipala said:
Mkuu, sikusema Ukraine inamiliki anga. Nilisema Urusi inashindwa kumiliki anga juu ya Ukraine. Ukraine haiwezi, imebaki na ndege chache tena za zamani. Lakini Urusi ilifeli kuharibu vituo vyote vya roketi za SS-300 kwenye siku ya kwanza, vituo kadhaa vimebaki.
Nimeona maelezo mawili
1) Uongozi wa jeshianga wa Urusi unakosa ubora, hawakukazia kubomoa SS300 zote siku ya kwanza
2) Marubani wa Urusi wanakosa uzeoefu wa kutosha, maana wanafanya mazoezi nusu hadi 2/3 ya wakati tu kama marubani wa NATO (ona hapa).

Mkuu unachoongea una uhakika nacho? Unaweza nipa evidence?

Cash Generating Unit · Jul 1, 2022

Kipala said:
Mfano ukiangalia kuondka kwa Warusi Snake ISland. Ukpenda kuamini walikwenda kwa hiari yao, basi. Siamini.

Naelewa malezo ya Ukraine, kuna uhusiano na mizinga yao mpya ya 2S22 Bohdana. Wana chache tu lakini zinaweza kurusha grenedi janja 6 kwa dakika. Labda wameweka mbili tu kwenye pwani linalotazama kisiwa, ilhali wana picha kamili ya kila kitu, waliweza kuleta uharibifu mkubwa, bila Warusi kuwa na uwezo kujibu. Hivyo walikimbia.

Sasa mizinga hii iliweza kupiga kisiwa kutoka sehemu ndogo ya mwambao pekee, maana hazifiki zaidi ya kilomita 40. Sehemu hii ya mwambao iko kusini kabisa, karibu na mpaka wa Romania, urefu kama kilomita 16 na kutoka huko umbali hadi kisiwa ni chini ya km 40.

Kama Urusi ingekuwa na uwezo wa anga, ingetuma ndege 2 na kufyeka mizinga ya 2S22 Bohdana,
Ila hawakufanya. Kwa nini?

Nahisi wanakosa uwezo.

Hivyo afadhali kuwaondoa wanajeshi hapa kuliko kutazama jinsi walivyouawa wote.

Kabla hatujaendelea hizo habri ndo naskia kwako naomba evidence afu tuendelee na majadiliano

Cash Generating Unit · Jul 1, 2022

John mungo said:
Hakika kuna mtego umewekwa pale, putin akili kubwa sana na wanao mzunguka ni hatari kuliko yeye putin, Tuvute subirá kidogo hamta amini [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

Yaleyale ya kyiv mtu akapiga U-turn sasa acha waneng’eke kuna jambo linakuja. Ila asilimia kubwa eneo la bahari lipo chini ya Russia

Cash Generating Unit · Jul 1, 2022

Kipala said:
Mkuu, hakuna NATO huko. NATO haiko Ukraine, na Ukraine haiko NATO hadi sasa wala haikuwepo. Labda kwa bahati mbaya. Ninaamini Bwana Putin angehofia kushambulia nchi ya NATO.
Lakini kwa upande mwingine, siku hizi NATO ina madai fulani kwa nchi kuwa mwanachama, kama vile demokrasia, au kupinga ufisadi. Zamani hawakufanya vile, siku hizi ni tofauti..
Hapa kuna kazi bado nchini Ukraine.

Kwamba ndugu yetu unataarifa za Ukraine mpaka unapingana na Washington post ausioo[emoji1316]

MWIJA 08 · Jul 1, 2022

Kwanza kihintelijensia,
Kitendo cha kumpiga mtu kwa PIGO- --FUPI-- KALI,
kisha ukamwacha na kuondooka kina maaana kubwa saaana.

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lee Vladimir cleef · Jul 1, 2022

Jasmoni Tegga said:
I believe the Russian plan over them is already on the table, and in kind. Inaweza isiwe kivita kama Ukraine. Maana angalau wao wana neutral stance kuliko Ukraine ilivyokuwa.

Na operation hii ya Ukraine tayari ni fundisho tosha ka NATO yote plus US kiranja wao mkuu. Anachofanya Russia ni kuguyuguza uchumi wao hadi wawe wapole. This military operation has proved Russia to be the NEW & REAL superpower.

Pls read your history well.

Sababu zozote, ikiwemo ile ya mapenzi mema na kuisambaratisha Marekani. At least hakuna mkataba wowote unaowazuia.

Baada ya vita, Ukraine haitakuwepo tena, kwa sababu Russian MO lazima ikamilike. As one once said: ^We only do it once for all!^

🤝🤝🤝👏👏👏Kichwa kingine chenye akili hiki

lee Vladimir cleef · Jul 1, 2022

Sikirimimimasikini said:
Putin kamfundisha bwana mdogo Boris Johnson historia ya Uingereza, kamweleza Margaret Thatcher aliyekuwa Waziri Mkuu wa Uingereza mwanamke aliamua kuanzisha vita mwaka 1982 dhidi ya Argentina. Somo hilo limejiri baada ya Boris Johnson kusema kuwa kama Putin angekuwa mwanamke, asingeanzisha vita Ukraine

Aibu iliyoje Waziri Mkuu wa nchi tena Uingereza kutojua historia ya nchi yake!
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👏👏👏👏Kwa Putin
👏👏👏👏Kwa🇷🇺

Chief · Jul 1, 2022

Sikirimimimasikini said:
Russia yasema ipo tayari kuingia mzigoni na NATO woote (nchi 30 dhaifu kwa pamoja), yasema sasa hivi inatumia asilimia 18 tu ya jeshi lake huko Ukraine.

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Itakuwa mwisho wa Russia ku-exist kama taifa.

PD_Magumba · Jul 1, 2022

Kipala said:
Mfano ukiangalia kuondka kwa Warusi Snake ISland. Ukpenda kuamini walikwenda kwa hiari yao, basi. Siamini.

Naelewa malezo ya Ukraine, kuna uhusiano na mizinga yao mpya ya 2S22 Bohdana. Wana chache tu lakini zinaweza kurusha grenedi janja 6 kwa dakika. Labda wameweka mbili tu kwenye pwani linalotazama kisiwa, ilhali wana picha kamili ya kila kitu, waliweza kuleta uharibifu mkubwa, bila Warusi kuwa na uwezo kujibu. Hivyo walikimbia.

Sasa mizinga hii iliweza kupiga kisiwa kutoka sehemu ndogo ya mwambao pekee, maana hazifiki zaidi ya kilomita 40. Sehemu hii ya mwambao iko kusini kabisa, karibu na mpaka wa Romania, urefu kama kilomita 16 na kutoka huko umbali hadi kisiwa ni chini ya km 40.

Kama Urusi ingekuwa na uwezo wa anga, ingetuma ndege 2 na kufyeka mizinga ya 2S22 Bohdana,
Ila hawakufanya. Kwa nini?

Nahisi wanakosa uwezo.

Hivyo afadhali kuwaondoa wanajeshi hapa kuliko kutazama jinsi walivyouawa wote.

An Island of that size is an easy target for advanced military might, Russia know this and have to make a tactical retreat.
Even Ukraine won't mount that island except for a suicide mission.

Russia played a smart one. It is a planned operation not zigzag and chancing.

mohamedidrisa789 · Jul 1, 2022

Kipala said:
Samahani mkuu, wapi umepata picha eti Urusi inamiliki anga?

Jambo la ajabu ni hadi sasa Urusi imefeli kudhibiti anga. Kama ingemiliki, tusingeona tena ndege 1 ya Ukraine hewani (maana ina ndege za Kirusi za zamani tu). Kinyume chake tuliona ndegevita za Ukraine zilishambulia Snake Island mara kadhaa; juu ya Ukraine (mbali namstari wa mapigano) huwezi kuona ndege za Kirusi ambazo zinazuia mwendo wa magari, vifari, wanajeshi kwenye nchi kavu.

Kuna roketi tu zinazorushwa kutoka mpakani, baharini au ndani ya Urusi. Zinafika hadi magharibi ya Ukraine na kuleta hasara, lakini hazileti udhibiti wa anga.

Sehemu hii ya vita imeenda kweli vibaya kwa Urusi hadi sasa.
Au una habari za kinyume? Tafadhali utueleze!

Una mapenzi hata shetani anayaogopa.unajua maana ya kumiliki anga?

mohamedidrisa789 · Jul 1, 2022

Nani kakwambia kisiwa kimerudi kwa wa UKRAINE. Ukraine ni ngumu kukifikia kile kisiwa maana kuna meri na bost za patrol kwenye black sea.ili ukichukue unabidi uwe na jeshi la majini

Yoda said:
Hakuna jambo la kushangalia Ukraine kuirudisha Snake Island mikononi mwake. Putin anatakiwa aondoe majeshi yake yote ya Uvamizi katika nchi hiyo na alipe fidia kwa hasara na umwagaji wa damu aliofanya huko.

mohamedidrisa789 · Jul 1, 2022

Ingekuwa vita ipo ivyo kama unavyosema basi ingekuwa balaa.Ukraine kwa sasa kwenye anga ndege karibia zote zimedondoshwa na WARUSI.labda drone ambazo ndo zilikuwa zinatumika kushambulia snake island.

Kwa sasa kupeleka silaha Ukraine ni kazi bure maana chochote kinachoingia wanakiona kwa sababu anga ni lakwao.

Kipala said:
Mkuu, sikusema Ukraine inamiliki anga. Nilisema Urusi inashindwa kumiliki anga juu ya Ukraine. Ukraine haiwezi, imebaki na ndege chache tena za zamani. Lakini Urusi ilifeli kuharibu vituo vyote vya roketi za SS-300 kwenye siku ya kwanza, vituo kadhaa vimebaki.
Nimeona maelezo mawili
1) Uongozi wa jeshianga wa Urusi unakosa ubora, hawakukazia kubomoa SS300 zote siku ya kwanza
2) Marubani wa Urusi wanakosa uzeoefu wa kutosha, maana wanafanya mazoezi nusu hadi 2/3 ya wakati tu kama marubani wa NATO (ona hapa).

mohamedidrisa789 · Jul 1, 2022

WARUSI wanasonga mbele kwa kasi ya ajabu.Soon Lysychansk yote itakuwa kwenye mikono ya warusi

Kayoka · Jul 1, 2022

Naunga hoja mkono huu, let's wait the time to come that everyone will sing Uraaaaaaaaaa.

John mungo said:
Hakika kuna mtego umewekwa pale, putin akili kubwa sana na wanao mzunguka ni hatari kuliko yeye putin, Tuvute subirá kidogo hamta amini 😂😂😂😂

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