Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Nilikupuuza na kukuona debe tupu linalopiga kelele tu nilipoona unazungumzia Coordinated Weapons Production in NATO kama silaha zinazozalishwa na NATO na eti kila silaha inayotengenezwa na nchi mwanachama wa NATO inahesibika ni silaha ya NATO.

Yani Urusi wanapoomba kiwanda cha Bayraktar TB2 kijengwe nchini mwao au wauziwe hizo drones wanakuwa wanataka silaha za NATO[emoji1787]
Urusi walipowapa Wafaransa contract ya kuwatengenezea submarines mwaka Meli za kivita mwaka 2011 ilikuwa ni NATO iwatengenezee Warusi meli za kijeshi.
Huo ulioandika ni utumbo mtupu ndio maana niliupotezea tu
triga said:
1. [emoji1787]
Ulikuja kwa speed kali na madai ya kwamba NATO haina silaha. Sasa hv umekuja na madai ya kwamba Ukraine haihusiki na 'military contingents and infrastructures' bali sweden na finland. Mchezo wa kuhamisha magoli! Kwa kukumbusha tu hakuna mtu aliyehusisha silaha za NATO na Ukraine kama ulivyodai hapa.

Nikukumbushe zaidi in brief. Kwenye post yangu uliyoniquote kwa mara ya kwanza mimi nilisema kuna tofauti kati ya #FinSwed kujiunga na NATO na Ukraine kujiunga NATO kisha nikasema hata hao wawili wakijiunga hawataruhusiwa kuruhusu deployment ya silaha za NATO kwenye nchi zao na wakifanya hivyo Moscow itarespond alafu nikaweka na statement ya putin mwenyewe. Wewe ukaja ukidai nato haina silaha nilivyokujibu madai yako umekuja na mengine kwamba 'silaha hizo' hazihusiani chochote na Ukraine bali #FinSwed. Hoja yako ya msingi ni ipi!? Nato haina silaha au haijawahi kupokea maombi ya kujiunga kutoka kwa Ukraine!?

Kuwa muadilifu.
a. Kama umebadili msimamo na sasa unakubali nato ina silaha basi ukane msimamo wako wa kwanza hapahapa jukwaani wa kudai nato haina silaha
b. Kama bado msimamo wako ni uleule kwamba nato haina silaha tupe tafsiri yako (kwa kiswahili) Putin anaposema 'military contingents and infrastructures' anamaanisha nini!?

2 & 3. Unalazimisha watu wakusikilize wewe kuhusu maswala ya ndani ya Urusi tena ya kiusalama kuliko raisi wa Urusi mwenyewe. unastaajabisha [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]
Yaani wewe unaongea Point kuhusu Urusi na putin anaongea porojo/utopolo kuhusu Urusi yake. Sio maajabu haya!?

Kwanza umeona sasa ulikosea kutafsiri niliposema Russian speaking Ukrainians wewe ukadai nimesema raia wa ukraine ambao ni raia wa urusi!?

LPR & DPR walitambuliwa kama organization za kigaidi na serikali ya Ukraine tangu mwaka 2014. Unafikiri Ukraine ilikuwa inawatreat vipi hao watu baada ya kuwa lebel kwa ni magaidi!? Ukitaka kumuua mbwa mpe jina baya sio!

Alafu Putin hajaingia tu donbass kwa kujiamulia bali waliomba msaada wenyewe (lpr&dpr) kutoka russia. Hata us & co Kuna mahali p3ngi tu waliombwa kwenda kutoa msaada na wakaenda. Au unataka kusema urusi hana haki ya kwenda kutoa msaada popote atapoombwa kwenda ikiwa yeye ameona vizuri kwenda!?

Kuwepo kwa mapigano tu ya lpr na dpr dhidi ya serikali ya Zelensky niushahidi kwamba hao watu ni wenyewe ndio walikuwa hawaridhishwi na jinsi walivyokuwa treated na bwana Zelensky hapo kbl otherwise kwa nini wapigane vita vikali namna hii wako radhi wafe na miji yao iharibiwe bila sababu za msingi!? All the people in donbass are stupid!? Watu wanasema wananyanyaswa na wanapigana kufa na kupona dhidi ya aliyekuwa anawanyanyasa wewe unakuja hapa kusema madai yao kuwa walikuwa wananyanyaswa ni porojo na propaganda, duh!
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[emoji636]The UK has temporarily lost the newest aircraft carrier, the Prince of Wales.

The ship worth £3 billion broke down immediately after entering the exercises with the United States.

The main version of the breakdown is called damage to the right propeller shaft, Sky News reports.

[emoji3502]"The Prince of Wales was launched in 2017, but already in 2020 it was out of order.

As it turned out later, the prince decided that he was a submarine, a number of important units were flooded on it.

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Sasa kama majeshi ya Ukraine yanaweka kambi mashuleni, hospitalini na kwenye huduma za kijamii ili kuwatumia raia kama ngao ulitarajia majeshi ya Urusi yawapelekee biscuits, pipi na juice cola?!
www.wsws.org

Amnesty International report exposes Ukraine’s violations of international law, deliberate use of civilians as human shields

The report has dealt a significant blow to the relentless war propaganda in the media and has provoked a hysterical response by the Ukrainian government.
www.wsws.org www.wsws.org
 
triga said:
1. [emoji1787]
Ulikuja kwa speed kali na madai ya kwamba NATO haina silaha. Sasa hv umekuja na madai ya kwamba Ukraine haihusiki na 'military contingents and infrastructures' bali sweden na finland. Mchezo wa kuhamisha magoli! Kwa kukumbusha tu hakuna mtu aliyehusisha silaha za NATO na Ukraine kama ulivyodai hapa.

Nikukumbushe zaidi in brief. Kwenye post yangu uliyoniquote kwa mara ya kwanza mimi nilisema kuna tofauti kati ya #FinSwed kujiunga na NATO na Ukraine kujiunga NATO kisha nikasema hata hao wawili wakijiunga hawataruhusiwa kuruhusu deployment ya silaha za NATO kwenye nchi zao na wakifanya hivyo Moscow itarespond alafu nikaweka na statement ya putin mwenyewe. Wewe ukaja ukidai nato haina silaha nilivyokujibu madai yako umekuja na mengine kwamba 'silaha hizo' hazihusiani chochote na Ukraine bali #FinSwed. Hoja yako ya msingi ni ipi!? Nato haina silaha au haijawahi kupokea maombi ya kujiunga kutoka kwa Ukraine!?

Kuwa muadilifu.
a. Kama umebadili msimamo na sasa unakubali nato ina silaha basi ukane msimamo wako wa kwanza hapahapa jukwaani wa kudai nato haina silaha
b. Kama bado msimamo wako ni uleule kwamba nato haina silaha tupe tafsiri yako (kwa kiswahili) Putin anaposema 'military contingents and infrastructures' anamaanisha nini!?

2 & 3. Unalazimisha watu wakusikilize wewe kuhusu maswala ya ndani ya Urusi tena ya kiusalama kuliko raisi wa Urusi mwenyewe. unastaajabisha [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]
Yaani wewe unaongea Point kuhusu Urusi na putin anaongea porojo/utopolo kuhusu Urusi yake. Sio maajabu haya!?

Kwanza umeona sasa ulikosea kutafsiri niliposema Russian speaking Ukrainians wewe ukadai nimesema raia wa ukraine ambao ni raia wa urusi!?

LPR & DPR walitambuliwa kama organization za kigaidi na serikali ya Ukraine tangu mwaka 2014. Unafikiri Ukraine ilikuwa inawatreat vipi hao watu baada ya kuwa lebel kwa ni magaidi!? Ukitaka kumuua mbwa mpe jina baya sio!

Alafu Putin hajaingia tu donbass kwa kujiamulia bali waliomba msaada wenyewe (lpr&dpr) kutoka russia. Hata us & co Kuna mahali p3ngi tu waliombwa kwenda kutoa msaada na wakaenda. Au unataka kusema urusi hana haki ya kwenda kutoa msaada popote atapoombwa kwenda ikiwa yeye ameona vizuri kwenda!?

Kuwepo kwa mapigano tu ya lpr na dpr dhidi ya serikali ya Zelensky niushahidi kwamba hao watu ni wenyewe ndio walikuwa hawaridhishwi na jinsi walivyokuwa treated na bwana Zelensky hapo kbl otherwise kwa nini wapigane vita vikali namna hii wako radhi wafe na miji yao iharibiwe bila sababu za msingi!? All the people in donbass are stupid!? Watu wanasema wananyanyaswa na wanapigana kufa na kupona dhidi ya aliyekuwa anawanyanyasa wewe unakuja hapa kusema madai yao kuwa walikuwa wananyanyaswa ni porojo na propaganda, duh!
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Jomba ase heshima ako [emoji847]
 
Yoda said:
Nilikupuuza na kukuona debe tupu linalopiga kelele tu nilipoona unazungumzia Coordinated Weapons Production in NATO kama silaha zinazozalishwa na NATO na eti kila silaha inayotengenezwa na nchi mwanachama wa NATO inahesibika ni silaha ya NATO.

Yani Urusi wanapoomba kiwanda cha Bayraktar TB2 kijengwe nchini mwao au wauziwe hizo drones wanakuwa wanataka silaha za NATO[emoji1787]
Urusi walipowapa Wafaransa contract ya kuwatengenezea submarines mwaka Meli za kivita mwaka 2011 ilikuwa ni NATO iwatengenezee Warusi meli za kijeshi.
Huo ulioandika ni utumbo mtupu ndio maana niliupotezea tu
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[emoji1787]
Mnachekesha sana pro nato. Kuhamisha magoli ndio sifa yenu/yako kuu. Na utaachaje kufanya hivyo!? Kujifanya mnashinda vita ambayo kila siku mnashindwa inahitaji ujuzi na nguvu kwenye kuongopa na porojo. Mimi hoja zangu zinabaki pale pale wewe endelea kujipigisha makelele yasiyo na mpango.

1. Kwa urusi, Kujiunga kwa Ukraine nato ni tofauti na kujiunga kwa Finland na Sweden. Urusi haina tatizo na #FinSwed kujiunga na nato ila tu zikiruhusu deployement ya majeshi na silaha za nato kwenye nchi zao Moscow itarespond. Kwa mujibu wa putin mwenyewe. Sasa wewe endelea kukomaa hakuna silaha za nato [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787] yoda vs Putin

2. Urusi haina migogoro wala issue za kimipaka na finland na sweden kama ilivyo na Ukraine. Kwa mujibu wa putin mwenyewe. Sasa wewe endelea kubisha kwamba hakuna. Mbishie putin mwenye nchi yake. yoda vs Putin [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

3. Wakreni wanaoongea kirusi (Russia speaking Ukrainians) wamekuwa wahanga wa matendo ya kikatili ya majeshi ya zelensky na manazi wa azov. Kuwasaidia ni moja ya malengo ya operesheni ya kijeshi ya urusi. Wewe sema hawakuwa na shida. Mbishie putin na wabishie wadonbass wenyewe walioomba msaada kwa putin

Umenipuuza wakati umenijibu tena kwa mara ya nne [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]
 
Bwana Utam said:
[emoji636]The UK has temporarily lost the newest aircraft carrier, the Prince of Wales.

The ship worth £3 billion broke down immediately after entering the exercises with the United States.

The main version of the breakdown is called damage to the right propeller shaft, Sky News reports.

[emoji3502]"The Prince of Wales was launched in 2017, but already in 2020 it was out of order.

As it turned out later, the prince decided that he was a submarine, a number of important units were flooded on it.

T14 Armata kwamba hawa jamaa hawana pesa yakuendeleza kama RUSSIA ama hawana tech kama RUSSIA
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Paundi bilioni 3 ndio zimekwenda hvyo!?
 
Sikirimimimasikini said:
Sasa kama majeshi ya Ukraine yanaweka kambi mashuleni, hospitalini na kwenye huduma za kijamii ili kuwatumia raia kama ngao ulitarajia majeshi ya Urusi yawapelekee biscuits, pipi na juice cola?!
www.wsws.org

Amnesty International report exposes Ukraine’s violations of international law, deliberate use of civilians as human shields

The report has dealt a significant blow to the relentless war propaganda in the media and has provoked a hysterical response by the Ukrainian government.
www.wsws.org www.wsws.org
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Kinachofurahisha zaidi sijui na nyie mmekiona?
Kila shambulio la Urusi kwa Ukraine linadaiwa ni Raia wamepigwa, kila shambulio la Ukraine kwa Urusi ladaiwa kua wanajeshi wavamizi wamepigwa.

Hapo kunazuka maswali kadhaa kwa wenye akili timamu lakini.
1. Kama Urusi wanashambulia Raia na makazi yao, so military facilities za Ukraine bado zipo kama awali kabla ya Operation kuanza au?

2. Lel say it's true, so Ukraine jeshi lake pia lipo kama awali halijapungua si ndivyo? Since wanaopigwa ni Raia sio wao.

3. Wale wanaopambana na jeshi la Urusi kama ni raia sio wajeda, inakuaje sasa hawa west wanawapa silaha Raia wa kawaida wasio kua na mafunzo wakapigane?

4. Kama hao tunaowaona wakiwa ndani ya gwanda na silaha ni Raia tu sio wapiganaji hao wajeda haswa wakoje? Au ni aliens 😂.

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10. Kwa mujibu wa data za UN, tangu February Russia inaongoza kwa kua na wakimbizi wengi kutoka Ukraine kuliko nchi zote za EU. Kama Russia inashambulia Raia je, hao zaidi ya Mil 2 waliolekea Urusi kutoka Ukraine inakuaje wapo hai hadi leo.
 
Bachelor OG said:
Mimi nipo humu special kwa kuchukua taarifa na kuwaambia watu wa ofisini so TOE MIENENDO YA VITA BILA FIX WAUNGWANA nimejipatia sifa kwa staff nzima hasa mademu kisa huu uzi
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Yes,
Wanakuona bonge la Military analyst.
Lkn safi TU ,kwa sababu unafatilia Kila kinachoendelea,unasoma na unatazama,so ni kweli unakua na Cha kuelezea,na kusoma na kuona ndio njia za kupata knowledge..

Ila hao mademu wanakuelewa kweli?
Habari za vita na wao wapi na wapi?
 
lee van cliff said:
Yes,
Wanakuona bonge la Military analyst.
Lkn safi TU ,kwa sababu unafatilia Kila kinachoendelea,unasoma na unatazama,so ni kweli unakua na Cha kuelezea,na kusoma na kuona ndio njia za kupata knowledge..

Ila hao mademu wanakuelewa kweli?
Habari za vita na wao wapi na wapi?
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Mademu wananielewa maana wanatamani vita iishe japo wengi wao mwanzo walikuwa ni Pro Ukraine(waliona ndio muonewa si unajua wanawake kwa huruma na kumshabikia mnyonge)

But now wengi ni pro Russia baada ya kujua russia alichokozwa na anachangiwa na NATO (si unajua wanawake kwa kupenda mtu anaesimama yeye kama yeye au mbabe)
 
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Marekani yasema kuwa majasusi wa Urusi (FSB) wamemtambua gaidi No. 2 aliyekuwa kwenye team ya mauaji ya binti mwandishi wa habari wa Urusi Darya Dugina huko Urusi. Gaidi huyo ametajwa kuwa ni Bogdan Tsyganenko, m-Ukraine wa kiume mwenye umri wa miaka 42 ambaye aliingia Urusi kupitia Estonia...
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