Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Wenye silaha nzuri wapo wapi mbona siwaoni sasa.kule afghanistan kuna mtu alitumia kila aina ya silaha kasoro ru nuclear,ila mwisho wa siku kakimbia. Kule IRAQ base yake ilipigwa na balistic kutoka IRAN na mwisho wa siku wakaishia tu kuita wandishi wa habari.

Hakuna silaha bora inayotengenezwa na mwanadamu.silaha zote zina mapungufu.

Pietro said:
Hivi ushawahi sikia Marekani anatishia Nuclear?! Nakumbuka Trump alitishia kuifuta NK kwenye hotuba yake ya UN alishambuliwa nchi nzima ikiwemo wanachama wenzake wa Republican. Marekani haina haja ya kusema Sana kuhusu uwezo wake wa nyuklia sababu unajulikana,tuje sasa kwa Urusi kila siku anatishia Nuclear,je haamini uwezo wa silaha zake?!

Alikua akisifu uwezo wa silaha zake lakini zimeprove failure vitani sio Ndege wala helicopters, nakumbuka wakati wa operation Desert storm Apache helicopters zilikua zinafanya SEAD operation,njoo sasa kwa Urusi Ka-52 helicopters kila siku zinapopolewa kama kumbikumbi. Njoo kwenye ndege sasa,si Su-35 au ndege yoyote ya Urusi inayothubutu kuingia anga la Ukraine,maana ikinusa tu inashushwa. Vifaru vyake alivyokua anavisifia hakuna ambacho kinapona dhidi ya ATGMs. Air defenses zake zimeprove failure kudaka vikombora kama vya Himars,kila siku ammunition depots zake zinalipuliwa,madaraja yanalipuliwa mpaka anakimbilia kutumia pontoon bridge sababu SAMs hazifanyi kazi ipasavyo kuzuia Makombora ya adui.
Urusi imechomoa mpaka S-300 iliyoipeleka Syria kuileta Ukraine,imechomoa baadhi ya Air defenses ambazo zilikua zinalinda miji kama St Petersburg na kuzipeleka Ukraine,je hii INA maana zile za mwanzo zimelipuliwa na HARMS za Ukraine?!

Halafu Putin anatuambia eti silaha zake zimewapita mbali West Kwa Miongo kadhaa[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]. INASIKITISHA NA KUFURAHISHA.

*" This is not a bluff" in Putin's voice[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]
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Bwana Utam said:
Kua serious MKUU
Unadhani vikwazo vya US kwa bank za TURKEY na kauli ya ERDO ambae ndio rais wa TURKEY
Ipi inaweza kuamua kutumika ama kutokutumika kwa Mir card
Tuupe muda nafas ila kama erdo atakubali Mir itumike nakuhakikishia itatumika na US hatakua nalakufanya zaidi ya vikwazo ambayo havitakua vyaawali wala vya 100 kwa TURKEY
Sera ya vikwazo ya US na west kupitia hii SVO imeenda kupoteza maana na inazidi kupoteza
Naam muda hua haudanganyi

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Iran says EU-initiated payment system not working due to U.S. sanctions

TEHRAN, Jan. 17 (Xinhua) -- The Central Bank of Iran (CBI) said on Sunday that the EU-initiated payment system did not work because its operation was under the influence of U.S. sanctions.

The system, known also as the Instrument in Support of Trade Exchanges (INSTEX), was a mechanism set up by France, Germany and Britain in January 2019 to facilitate trade with Iran by skirting the U.S. anti-Iran sanctions.

The INSTEX channel was basically designed to save the Iranian nuclear deal, internationally known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), after the U.S. pullout in 2018, the CBI said in its Twitter account on Sunday.
 
T14 Armata said:
Ukraine inazidi kupata bargaining power kadri inavyorudisha maeneo yake na inavyochukua POWs wengi.

Ilianza maadui wakiwa Kyiv, leo maadui wanategemea referendums ndio watishie kwa nukes. Lazima bargaining power kubwa iwe kwa Ukraine. Mpaka sasa malengo yamehama kutoka kumuondoa Zelensky na kufanya denazification kuwakamata Nazis, wamebaki kufanya annexation ya maeneo jirani yao ambayo hata hivyo yalikuwa karibu na Donetsk na Luhansk zilizokuwa chini yao tangu 2014. Net gain yao sio kubwa.

How comes wanafanya denazification, then Azov battalion ambazo ndio wanashutumiwa ndio Nazis halisi wameachiwa. Malengo ya denazification yameyeyuka, walikuja wakijua wanapambana na wazembe kumbe sivyo
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Shida yako hua moja eidha mahaba ama kusudi ama kupotosha ama hua hujapata taatifa
Jana tu sijui leo lavrov alisema kwamba malengo ya SVO lazima yafikiwe haijalishi itachukua muda gani sasa unasemaje !?
Hili lakubadilishana wafungwa nilakawaida sana ulitegemea RUSSIA aache watu wake kisa hao AZOV kweli MKUU!!!??
Malengo ya RUSSIA hayajatimia nandio maana jamaa bado wako hapo
Kuhusiana na Ref hili pia limeekwa wazi ingawaje mnaona kabisa kama Ref itafanikiwa nani anakua looser

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Bwana Utam said:
[emoji635][emoji1255][emoji298]Vladimir Putin is more dangerous than ever - New York Times

The Kremlin has signaled that if it seizes the territory, Ukrainian counter-offensives in the east and south to seize the territory liberated by Russia will be seen as attacks on Russian territory that justify any level of retaliation, up to and including a nuclear response.

Putin's speech on the use of nuclear weapons has exacerbated a dilemma for the West that has existed since the beginning of the war: how far intensive military support for Ukraine can go.

Hem hizi kura zipigwe upesi ili tuone kipi kitatokea Baada ya kujiunga na RUSSIA kwahizo nchi huru za LPR na DPR

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Unafikiri referendum ikipita Kuna mtu yeyote atasogeza pua kwenye hayo maeneo. Labda awe hajipendi maana hiyo Ni sababu tosha ya urusi kujibu kwa nguvu zake zote, hata iwe nuclear sababu yeye tayari Ni father of nuclear weapons, na Putin kadhamilia sababu hakuna haja yakuyahifadhi hayo mabomu wakati taifa lipo kwenye tishio kubwa la kuangamizwa.
 
mohamedidrisa789 said:
Wenye silaha nzuri wapo wapi mbona siwaoni sasa.kule afghanistan kuna mtu alitumia kila aina ya silaha kasoro ru nuclear,ila mwisho wa siku kakimbia. Kule IRAQ base yake ilipigwa na balistic kutoka IRAN na mwisho wa siku wakaishia tu kuita wandishi wa habari.

Hakuna silaha bora inayotengenezwa na mwanadamu.silaha zote zina mapungufu.
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USSR alikimbia Afghanistan,unadhani kupigana na magaidi wanajificha mapangoni ni sawa na kupigana na nchi ambayo unajua kambi zake ziko wapi,silaha, ammunition depots,nk?!

Kumbuka kabla ya kurusha hayo Makombora Iran ilitoa taarifa Marekani ikaondoa wanajeshi wake,hakuna hata aliyekufa plus base ya Iraq haikua na air defense yoyote Ile. Baada ya shambulizi Marekani ikapeleka Patriot.WASHINGTON — New air defense systems are now protecting American and allied forces at military bases in Iraq where troops have been attacked by Iranian-backed insurgents in recent months, according to U.S. officials.

Patriot missile launchers and two other short-range systems are now in place at al-Asad Air Base, where Iran carried out a massive ballistic missile attack against U.S. and coalition troops in January, and at the military base in Irbil, said officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive weapons movement. A short-range rocket defense system was installed at Camp Taji.

Patriot missile defense systems now active in Iraq, say US officials

Baada ya Patriot kuchomekwa,Iran ikaanza kulalamika
Iran warned the United States it is leading the Middle East to disaster amid the coronavirus pandemic after reports that Patriot air defence missiles were deployed to Iraq.

Washington had been in talks with Baghdad about the proposed deployment since January, but it was not immediately clear whether it secured its approval or not. Iran, which wields huge influence in its western neighbour, said it had not.

The US deployment runs “counter to the official position of the Iraqi government, parliament and people”, a foreign ministry statement said on Wednesday.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al...s-us-after-patriot-missile-deployment-to-iraq
 
Mwanamkiwi said:
Sidhani kama kuna jambo kama wangejitenga na kkujiunga ....
Ni tofauti kidogo wakitengwa na kuunganishwa tena kwa njia ya kura bandia.....

Kama Krimea - nani anatambua Krimea kuwa sehemu ya Urusi?? Labda Belarus, Korea Kaskazini..? Ila China, Uhindi, Kazakhstan, Uturuki na wengine hawakubali.
(Armenia labda anakubali maana inatehemea jeshi ka Urusi kwa usalama wake dhidi Azerbaijan..)
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Acha hasira,kura ikishapigwa na ikaonyesha ya kwamba watu wapo tayari kuwa sehemu ya urusi,basi jua fika sio lazima Hadi Dunia nzima ikubali.mfano mzuri ni hapo Zanzibar hakuna Mzanzibar anayetaka Muungano na Tanganyika lakini inatambuka Zanzibar ipo ndani ya Jamhuri-Dunia inajiendesha namna hiyo sio kwa ambavyo unataka wewe.
Relax kijana.
 
King faisal said:
Unafikiri referendum ikipita Kuna mtu yeyote atasogeza pua kwenye hayo maeneo. Labda awe hajipendi maana hiyo Ni sababu tosha ya urusi kujibu kwa nguvu zake zote, hata iwe nuclear sababu yeye tayari Ni father of nuclear weapons, na Putin kadhamilia sababu hakuna haja yakuyahifadhi hayo mabomu wakati taifa lipo kwenye tishio kubwa la kuangamizwa.
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Kwakweli sijafikia kikomo chakufikiria ila sijajua hata niwaze nn
Ndio maana naomba hio day ifike tuone kipi kitajiri aseee
Ila nahisi kuna jambo litaenda kutokea ila je litatokea kama nnavyo hisi ndio maana niko na shauku na hilo suala

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mohamedidrisa789 said:
Wenye silaha nzuri wapo wapi mbona siwaoni sasa.kule afghanistan kuna mtu alitumia kila aina ya silaha kasoro ru nuclear,ila mwisho wa siku kakimbia. Kule IRAQ base yake ilipigwa na balistic kutoka IRAN na mwisho wa siku wakaishia tu kuita wandishi wa habari.

Hakuna silaha bora inayotengenezwa na mwanadamu.silaha zote zina mapungufu.
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Wenye silaha nzuri huwaoni?! Hujui kama ni Warusi au humsikii Putin kila siku kwenye Television akisifu silaha zake kwamba zipo mbele ya West kwa Miongo kadhaa lakini cha ujabu huo umbele wake hatuuoni pale Ukraine [emoji38][emoji23][emoji23]
 
Nkuba25 said:
Nimechukua muda mrefu nikitafakari ni kwa nini nikujibu comment yako.

1. Unachanganya sana Mambo, unaongelea Kura Bandia unaongelea Armenia , unaongelea China , unaongelea Armenia, nani amekuuliza kuhusu Armenians, . Unaongelea Crimea, Nani amekuuliza kuhusu Crimea

2. Sio, kila kitu unajibu jibu tu.
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Hongera kwa kutafakari muda mrefu! Labda uongeze muda kidogo mpaka utakapoelewa
1) kuna uhusiano kabisa baina ya referendum bandia za sasa na referendum bandia ya Krimea mwaka 2016.
2) Hakuna aliyetambua Krimea kuwa Urusi, wala Uturuki wala China wala wengine.
Nategemea itakuwa hivyo katika zile referenda zijazo.
 
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⚡⚡⚡Ukrainian tugboat in Ochakiv burning after being hit by an Iranian drone⚡⚡⚡
 
Jesus Mlokozi said:
⚡⚡⚡During the first day of partial mobilization, more than 10,000 reserve soldiers arrived independently at military registration and enlistment offices, the Russian Armed Forces General Staff said⚡⚡⚡
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Unaiamini?? Sawasawa.
Ona hapa foleni ya magari kwenye mpaka wa Urusi - Finland.
Ilitokea baada ya tangazo ya Mobilization.

Je kuna uhusiano kazi ya tangazo la mobilization na kuongezeka kwa magari kwenye mpaka wa Finland?
Uhusiano gani??
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(picha ya leo, ona Liikennetilanne )
 
Tsh said:
Okey: humu ndani kale kaugomvi ka wazalendo kutupiana tumatusi twa hapa na pale naona upepo umebadilika.

Kipimo cha ushindi kwa kutazama objectives kama dimilitarization si hoja tena, hoja hapa sasa ni baada ya kura iwapo maeneo mapya ya Urusi yatashambuliwa, yakishambuliwa tafsiri ni kwamba Urusi imeshambuliwa.

Yale mambo ya kwanza yamefutika tu vuup, na mm nasema tuachane nayo sababu hakuna namna, sasa kipimo cha ushindi ni iwapo kuna atakayeweza kugusa ardhi mpya ya Urusi baada ya kura.
MUDA UTASEMA.
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Demilitarization haijafutika MKUU

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