Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

JABALI LA KARNE said:
Kuna taarifa kuwa Russia wamezuia hadi watu wao wasifungue baadhi ya mitandao ya jamii. Sidhani kama kuna TV kutoka huko itakayokuwa na uhuru wa kueleza what is going on exactly. Hata hivyo Russian wamekaribia sana kumiliki Eukraine.
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Baada ya kukaribia kumiliki Ukraine,ni kipi kilifuatia?

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WAZO2010 said:
Mimi nilisema toka Mwanzo...Putin ata pigana hii vita hadi 2030. Lengo lake siyo kushinda vita kama round 12 za ngumi. Hapana.
1. Anataka, Ukraine ifilisike jumla.
2. Malengo ya USA nchini Ukraine ya feli.
3. Tishio kwa Russia by NATO life jumla.
4. Kudidimiza USA na NATO kwa miaka mingi, kila member wa NATO, atoke vitani 2030 ame konda.
5. Kutanua himaya yake ya Mpaka upande wa Ukraine, kwa kuingia zaidi Ukraine.

Zile topic za History Sec. Hii ndio Practial Application yake karne ya 21. Tuvumilie tu wadau[emoji1787][emoji1787]
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Katika watu ambao wanatamani hii vita iishe mapema bhas ni Putin ndio maana walianza kupiga miundombinu ya nishati ili Ukraine ikubali kukaa mezani lkn hilo limefeli

1. Vita ikichukua muda mrefu si Ukraine tu atakaefirisika hata huyo Russia atafirisika,Uchumi wake mwaka Jana ulipungua kwa -4%.
Unasema Russia apigane vita mpk 2030,nadhani unajua kwamba Russia inategemea Sana uuzaji wa mafuta na Gas na ndio sekta zinazochangia pakubwa kwenye pato pamoja na bajeti ya Taifa.Vipi kabla ya mwaka 2030 Bei ya Mafuta ikashuka Sana mfano pipa chini ya $40,unadhani huyo Urusi atapata wapi fedha za kuendesha hiyo vita?! Maana kuna taarifa zinadai Russia inatumia $1 BN kwa siku kwenye hii vita,na hiyo ilikua karibu miezi 6 iliyopita hatujui Kwa sasa inatumia kiasi gani cha fedha.

2.Kwani malengo ya Marekani hapo Ukraine ni yapi?!

3.Naweza kusema tishio la NATO ndo limeongezeka baada ya hii vita maana Russia ilitaka Ukraine isijiunge NATO ili kuzuia majeshi ya NATO yasiwe mpakani mwake lkn baada ya Vita nchi mbili zilizokua Neutral karibu miaka 100 zimeona tishio la Urusi zimeomba uanachama wa NATO. Soon Finland na Sweden zinajiunga NATO,na Finland ina mpaka mkubwa na Urusi.Putin alitaka azuie NATO matokeo yake kapata NATO zaidi.

4. Unaididimizaje USA na NATO wakati hii vita imekua kama wake-up call kwao,kila ya nchi ya NATO na West kiujumla inajihami kwa masilaha si Poland,Baltic State mpk Ujerumani iliyokua inasuasua kwenye Ulinzi imetenga $100 BN ili kulijenga jeshi. Bajeti za Ulinzi za Ufaransa, Uingereza mpaka vile viBaltic states zote zimeongezwa.
Ukija kwenye suala la biashara na ushawishi ndio kabisa hii vita imeongeza ushawishi wa Marekani hapo Europe, kibiashara Kwa sasa Marekani inauza Gas ya kutosha hapo Europe baada ya Urusi kupunguza kiwango cha Gas kinachoenda Europe. Kiulinzi karibu nchi zote hapo zimepanga foleni ya kununua silaha toka Marekani,Ujerumani alikua hana mpango wa kununua F-35 lkn baada ya hii vita wanataka F-35. Demand ya HIMARS imeongezeka mpk Lockheed Martin wameongeza uzalishaji wake mara mbili. Poland tu imeweka order ya kununua Himars 500. Hapo bado kuna Estonia, Lithuania na wengineo wote wanataka hiyo silaha. Kiufupi NATO ndio imezidi kuimarika.

5. Unatanuaje himaya wakati hujashinda kijeshi?!
 
Sikirimimimasikini said:
Huku mapigano ya majeshi ya Russia yakipamba moto nchini Ukraine, rais Putin kaionya Sweden na Finland wasije kujaribu kuvuka mstari wake mwekundu kwa kujiunga NATO. Ikumbukwe kuwa nchi hizo zote mbili za Nordic countries, zinashea mpaka na Russia kama ilivyo Ukraine.

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Putin 'plans to dominate Europe' with chilling warning to Finland and Sweden

As the Russian invasion of Ukraine intensifies, another threat has been sent out as Vladimir Putin warns Sweden and Finland about crossing him to join NATO
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Vladimir Putin has threatened Sweden and Finland with ' military and political consequences' if they join NATO.

Maria Zakharova, Russia's foreign ministry spokeswoman, says there will be serious repercussions for their close Arctic neighbours.

As Russia's invasion of Ukraine intensifies, they have sent out another warning about crossing President Putin.

Both Scandinavian nations share a border with Russia.

Zakharova said during a news briefing: "Finland and Sweden should not base their security on damaging the security of other countries and their accession to NATO can have detrimental consequences and face some military and political consequences."
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Dikiteta ana mikwara mbuzi kweli..,baada ya Finland na Sweden kutuma maombi ya kujiunga NATO ikawaje Tena [emoji16][emoji16]

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Axel Lloyd said:
Katika watu ambao wanatamani hii vita iishe mapema bhas ni Putin ndio maana walianza kupiga miundombinu ya nishati ili Ukraine ikubali kukaa mezani lkn hilo limefeli

1. Vita ikichukua muda mrefu si Ukraine tu atakaefirisika hata huyo Russia atafirisika,Uchumi wake mwaka Jana ulipungua kwa -4%.
Unasema Russia apigane vita mpk 2030,nadhani unajua kwamba Russia inategemea Sana uuzaji wa mafuta na Gas na ndio sekta zinazochangia pakubwa kwenye pato pamoja na bajeti ya Taifa.Vipi kabla ya mwaka 2030 Bei ya Mafuta ikashuka Sana mfano pipa chini ya $40,unadhani huyo Urusi atapata wapi fedha za kuendesha hiyo vita?! Maana kuna taarifa zinadai Russia inatumia $1 BN kwa siku kwenye hii vita,na hiyo ilikua karibu miezi 6 iliyopita hatujui Kwa sasa inatumia kiasi gani cha fedha.

2.Kwani malengo ya Marekani hapo Ukraine ni yapi?!

3.Naweza kusema tishio la NATO ndo limeongezeka baada ya hii vita maana Russia ilitaka Ukraine isijiunge NATO ili kuzuia majeshi ya NATO yasiwe mpakani mwake lkn baada ya Vita nchi mbili zilizokua Neutral karibu miaka 100 zimeona tishio la Urusi zimeomba uanachama wa NATO. Soon Finland na Sweden zinajiunga NATO,na Finland ina mpaka mkubwa na Urusi.Putin alitaka azuie NATO matokeo yake kapata NATO zaidi.

4. Unaididimizaje USA na NATO wakati hii vita imekua kama wake-up call kwao,kila ya nchi ya NATO na West kiujumla inajihami kwa masilaha si Poland,Baltic State mpk Ujerumani iliyokua inasuasua kwenye Ulinzi imetenga $100 BN ili kulijenga jeshi. Bajeti za Ulinzi za Ufaransa, Uingereza mpaka vile viBaltic states zote zimeongezwa.
Ukija kwenye suala la biashara na ushawishi ndio kabisa hii vita imeongeza ushawishi wa Marekani hapo Europe, kibiashara Kwa sasa Marekani inauza Gas ya kutosha hapo Europe baada ya Urusi kupunguza kiwango cha Gas kinachoenda Europe. Kiulinzi karibu nchi zote hapo zimepanga foleni ya kununua silaha toka Marekani,Ujerumani alikua hana mpango wa kununua F-35 lkn baada ya hii vita wanataka F-35. Demand ya HIMARS imeongezeka mpk Lockheed Martin wameongeza uzalishaji wake mara mbili. Poland tu imeweka order ya kununua Himars 500. Hapo bado kuna Estonia, Lithuania na wengineo wote wanataka hiyo silaha.

5. Unatanuaje himaya wakati hujashinda kijeshi?!
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Endelea kuota.
Russia akitaka Vita iishe si hata kesho ana ondoa tu majeshi yake.
 
Sikirimimimasikini said:
Huku mapigano ya majeshi ya Russia yakipamba moto nchini Ukraine, rais Putin kaionya Sweden na Finland wasije kujaribu kuvuka mstari wake mwekundu kwa kujiunga NATO. Ikumbukwe kuwa nchi hizo zote mbili za Nordic countries, zinashea mpaka na Russia kama ilivyo Ukraine.

=====

www.mirror.co.uk

Putin 'plans to dominate Europe' with chilling warning to Finland and Sweden

As the Russian invasion of Ukraine intensifies, another threat has been sent out as Vladimir Putin warns Sweden and Finland about crossing him to join NATO
www.mirror.co.uk www.mirror.co.uk

Vladimir Putin has threatened Sweden and Finland with ' military and political consequences' if they join NATO.

Maria Zakharova, Russia's foreign ministry spokeswoman, says there will be serious repercussions for their close Arctic neighbours.

As Russia's invasion of Ukraine intensifies, they have sent out another warning about crossing President Putin.

Both Scandinavian nations share a border with Russia.

Zakharova said during a news briefing: "Finland and Sweden should not base their security on damaging the security of other countries and their accession to NATO can have detrimental consequences and face some military and political consequences."
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"Zakharova said during a news briefing: "Finland and Sweden should not base their security on damaging the security of other countries and their accession to NATO can have detrimental consequences and face some military and political consequences."
 
Ukiangalia mahudhui aliyotumia wakati akiripoti hii habari,utagundua kwamba Millard ni Moja kati ya vijana wa hovyo
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Myebusi Mweusi said:
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Baada ya kuona simu zake hazipokelewi na maraisi wote wa Ulaya, rais wa Ukraine [emoji1255] ametoa wito kwa watu wote wenye mapenzi mema na nchi yake waende kumsaidia.

Hii ni nafasi kwa Watanzania mnaosema bora mzaliwe mbwa Ulaya kuliko binadamu bongo.

Nendeni mkabebe mtutu, hii vita ni fupi sana inaisha ndani ya siku tano tu
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Halafu tukiwaambia Putin alidhamilia kutumia saa 72 katika operation ya kijeshi kuwaondoa wanazimamboleo mnatuona wakorofi

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mohamedidrisa789 said:
Jukwaa leo limepoa sana [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23].


Wale ndugu zetu upande wa pili siwaoni kabisa sijui wamepatwa na nini[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]
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Unajitekenya na kucheka mwenyewe.
 
mohamedidrisa789 said:
Inaonekana Defence ya vikosi vya Ukraine upande wa Luhansk na Donesk inashida.

Bilohorivka imerudi kwa Warusi kiwepesi sana. Vesele nayo inaenda kuanguka muda sio mrefu maana inashambuliwa kwa pande tatu.

Kwa sasa vikosi vya Ukraine vimetolewa kabisa nnje ya jimbo la luhansk

Zelensk inabidi aongeze vikosi upande wa Donesk ili kulinda kramatorsk na slaviansk.View attachment 2471118
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Ataongeza MKUU maana nasikia mobilize ipo njiani

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Axel Lloyd said:
Katika watu ambao wanatamani hii vita iishe mapema bhas ni Putin ndio maana walianza kupiga miundombinu ya nishati ili Ukraine ikubali kukaa mezani lkn hilo limefeli

1. Vita ikichukua muda mrefu si Ukraine tu atakaefirisika hata huyo Russia atafirisika,Uchumi wake mwaka Jana ulipungua kwa -4%.
Unasema Russia apigane vita mpk 2030,nadhani unajua kwamba Russia inategemea Sana uuzaji wa mafuta na Gas na ndio sekta zinazochangia pakubwa kwenye pato pamoja na bajeti ya Taifa.Vipi kabla ya mwaka 2030 Bei ya Mafuta ikashuka Sana mfano pipa chini ya $40,unadhani huyo Urusi atapata wapi fedha za kuendesha hiyo vita?! Maana kuna taarifa zinadai Russia inatumia $1 BN kwa siku kwenye hii vita,na hiyo ilikua karibu miezi 6 iliyopita hatujui Kwa sasa inatumia kiasi gani cha fedha.

2.Kwani malengo ya Marekani hapo Ukraine ni yapi?!

3.Naweza kusema tishio la NATO ndo limeongezeka baada ya hii vita maana Russia ilitaka Ukraine isijiunge NATO ili kuzuia majeshi ya NATO yasiwe mpakani mwake lkn baada ya Vita nchi mbili zilizokua Neutral karibu miaka 100 zimeona tishio la Urusi zimeomba uanachama wa NATO. Soon Finland na Sweden zinajiunga NATO,na Finland ina mpaka mkubwa na Urusi.Putin alitaka azuie NATO matokeo yake kapata NATO zaidi.

4. Unaididimizaje USA na NATO wakati hii vita imekua kama wake-up call kwao,kila ya nchi ya NATO na West kiujumla inajihami kwa masilaha si Poland,Baltic State mpk Ujerumani iliyokua inasuasua kwenye Ulinzi imetenga $100 BN ili kulijenga jeshi. Bajeti za Ulinzi za Ufaransa, Uingereza mpaka vile viBaltic states zote zimeongezwa.
Ukija kwenye suala la biashara na ushawishi ndio kabisa hii vita imeongeza ushawishi wa Marekani hapo Europe, kibiashara Kwa sasa Marekani inauza Gas ya kutosha hapo Europe baada ya Urusi kupunguza kiwango cha Gas kinachoenda Europe. Kiulinzi karibu nchi zote hapo zimepanga foleni ya kununua silaha toka Marekani,Ujerumani alikua hana mpango wa kununua F-35 lkn baada ya hii vita wanataka F-35. Demand ya HIMARS imeongezeka mpk Lockheed Martin wameongeza uzalishaji wake mara mbili. Poland tu imeweka order ya kununua Himars 500. Hapo bado kuna Estonia, Lithuania na wengineo wote wanataka hiyo silaha. Kiufupi NATO ndio imezidi kuimarika.

5. Unatanuaje himaya wakati hujashinda kijeshi?!
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RUSSIA na PUT IN wakitaka SMO iishe nirahisi tu c wanaondoka UKRAINE

Ila kwakua hawataki SMO imalize punde wamesema wazi ili SMO imaliE UKRAINE wayatambue hayo maeneo kama ni RUSSIA la sivyo wanaendelea na SMO

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let the caged bird sings said:
wanakuambia Urusi haipo kwenye vita kamili at the same time tunaona misururu ya Magari makubwa yakipeleka wanajeshi Ukraine ila ziro brains wanasema hiyo ni unit tu kama wasiojulikana kwa Tanzania, vita kamili bado. Kwao vita kamili ni putin mwenyewe kushika AKA 47 ndiyo inakuwa vita sasa.
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Hii ni SMO, Vita kamili bado haijatangazwa....labda tusubiri mwaka huu
 
Axel Lloyd said:
Unaongea haya ukiwa mzima au umelewa?!

Sasa hiyo Russia ana equipment gani iliyoonyesha angalau uafadhali hapo Ukraine?!

Zile ndege zake za kisasa Su-35,Su-34 na nyinginezo mbona hamna cha maana ilichofanya,Airforce yake ni kama vile ipo grounded!!! Yani alishindwa hata kupata air superiority kipindi kile Ukraine haina sir defenses za maana,sasa kama NATO Wana weak equipment mbona Russia hathubutu kupenyeza ndege zake kwenye Range ya hizo air defenses?!

Tuje kwenye tanks,Wana T-90M. Hiki ni kifaru cha kisasa kabisa cha Urusi and on paper sifa zake ambazo kimepewa na kinachofanyika uwanja wa Vita ni tofauti,kifaru kinapigwa mpk na zile ant tank za cold war za Ujerumani (jina limenitoka) na kinatulia.

Tuje kwenye drones,Russia ni mbovu kwenye drone mpk kaamua akimbilie kuomba Kwa muajemi,Hizo Orlan zake zina kazi za kudondoka tu baada ya kupigwa EW na Ukraine. Ukraine iliikung'uta Urusi kipindi kile hawana silaha za maana,mpk jamaa kaamua kugeuza njia kakimbilia Donbass. Hizo HIMARS zimeingia mwezi July,NASAMS zimeingia November, IRIS-T October.
Sasa kama alishindwa kipindi kile Ukraine ikiwa na silaha maamuma za NATO ndo ataweza sasa hivi Ukraine ikizidi kupewa silaha nzurinzuri kidogo?!

Tutajie silaha ya Russia iliyoonyesha angalau uafadhali kwenye hii vita maana jamaa alishatumia mpk Hypersonic missiles!!!!!
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Kwani we hujui siraha za URUSI.
Sasa kama alitumia hypersonic missile muliifanya nini, maana hata Nato Na USA HAWANA hio.
Kwanza nikukumbushe
HII NI SPECIAL MILITARY OPERATION ZONE.
na wameweka limit ya matumizi ya siraha hata USA wanajua,
INGIA YOUTUBE TAFUTA DOCUMENTARY YA SPECIAL MILITARY OPERATION UTAIONA.
ILIKUWA CHANNEL NYINGI TUU YOUTUBE , NA WANZEE WA MAGHARIBI WALIIONDOA
ILA STILL IPO.
 
Axel Lloyd said:
Unaongea haya ukiwa mzima au umelewa?!

Sasa hiyo Russia ana equipment gani iliyoonyesha angalau uafadhali hapo Ukraine?!

Zile ndege zake za kisasa Su-35,Su-34 na nyinginezo mbona hamna cha maana ilichofanya,Airforce yake ni kama vile ipo grounded!!! Yani alishindwa hata kupata air superiority kipindi kile Ukraine haina sir defenses za maana,sasa kama NATO Wana weak equipment mbona Russia hathubutu kupenyeza ndege zake kwenye Range ya hizo air defenses?!

Tuje kwenye tanks,Wana T-90M. Hiki ni kifaru cha kisasa kabisa cha Urusi and on paper sifa zake ambazo kimepewa na kinachofanyika uwanja wa Vita ni tofauti,kifaru kinapigwa mpk na zile ant tank za cold war za Ujerumani (jina limenitoka) na kinatulia.

Tuje kwenye drones,Russia ni mbovu kwenye drone mpk kaamua akimbilie kuomba Kwa muajemi,Hizo Orlan zake zina kazi za kudondoka tu baada ya kupigwa EW na Ukraine. Ukraine iliikung'uta Urusi kipindi kile hawana silaha za maana,mpk jamaa kaamua kugeuza njia kakimbilia Donbass. Hizo HIMARS zimeingia mwezi July,NASAMS zimeingia November, IRIS-T October.
Sasa kama alishindwa kipindi kile Ukraine ikiwa na silaha maamuma za NATO ndo ataweza sasa hivi Ukraine ikizidi kupewa silaha nzurinzuri kidogo?!

Tutajie silaha ya Russia iliyoonyesha angalau uafadhali kwenye hii vita maana jamaa alishatumia mpk Hypersonic missiles!!!!!
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Kama hawana equipment nzuri inakuwaje bdo anazid kusonga mbele na Ukraine kila cku inaharibiwa ...
 
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