Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

NATO "contact group" (War Council) meeting at Ramstein air base Germany over Ukraine​

20 JANUARY 2023

At least thirty-two (32) military Generals have convened for a meeting at Ramstein Air Base in Germany, to discuss future "aid" and "tactics" for the ongoing Ukraine-Russia conflict. Today, the world will find out if Germany will approve the sending of German tanks to Ukraine - a "Red Line" for Russia.

Germany manufactures the Leopard-2 main battle tank. Several other countries in Europe have purchased a number of these tanks over the years, and want to ive them to Ukraine, so as to fight Russia, but there's a problem.

When a country manufactures weapons, and then sells those weapons to another country, the sale is contingent on the receiving country agreeing NOT to re-sell (or give) those weapons to anyone else without permission of the originating country.

In this case, Poland want to give the Leopard-2 tanks they bought, to Ukraine. Germany has not given permission, so the tanks cannot go.
Last week, the German Defense Minister, Lebrecht, resigned There is now a new Defense Minister, and he is attending today's meeting at Ramstein Air Base.

Leaked information coming out of Germany indicates the new minister will approve the transfer of Leopard-2 tanks, but right now, that is only RUMOR.
Yet, there are additional problems.
Through political back-channels, Russia has informed Germany that if German tanks attack Russian soil, it will be a violation of the Potsdam Treaty that ended World War Two. That Treaty makes clear Germany is only allowed to have a "Defense Force" which can be used "for nothing else." Manufacturing tanks which are then sent to Ukraine to fight Russia, would be using the German military for "something else" and Russia's position is that will violate the Demilitarization" provisions of the Potsdam Treaty. Russia allegedly told Germany that if German tanks attack Russian soil "World War 3 will begin immediately.

The rub here is that the former oblasts of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporozyhe, have now joined Russia and been accepted by the Russian legislature, called the Duma. So those territories are now "Russian soil."
Ukraine does not recognize this, nor does the collective West. They refer to those oblasts as having been "illegally annexed."

So Russia views the territories as Russian soil, the West does not. If Ukraine is given German tanks and use those tanks to attack "Russian Soil" it will re-start World War 2, or be known as "World War 3."That is how close the entire world is to horrifying war on a vast scale, and we all get to hear the decision about the German tanks, today.

UPDATE 11:50 AM EST --
The new German Defense Minister, Boris Pistorius has just publicly announced "NATO countries failed to reach a unified position regarding the supply of Leopard 2 tanks to Kyiv." He went on to say ""Statements by the media that Germany is on the way to creating a coalition to send heavy tanks to Ukraine are lies. There are good reasons to send equipment, but there are also reasons not to." All pros and cons must be weighed. Many allies share our point of view, Pistorius added.
Kama vile Ujerumani wanataka kukwepa huu mtanange
 
[emoji298]️Berlin not received official requests for German tanks to Ukraine - [emoji629] Cabinet (RIA)

Just In @RT_India_official
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Kama ile ishu ya mig za poland.

US akamwambia Poland apeleke hizo ndege (mig 29) Ukraine ili ampe F16,

US considers sending F-16s to Poland if Warsaw gives its MIG-29 to Ukraine


Poland akaona anawekwa 'frontline' kijanja akamuambia US, yeye (Poland) hapeleki ndge yoyote Ukraine bali atazipeleka hizo ndege kwenye kambi ya US iliyoko ulaya (Ujerumani) Alafu wao US ndio wazipeleke Ukraine.

The Polish scheme proposed that the Russian made MiG-29 fighter jets be delivered to a US base in Ramstein, Germany, and then be deployed to Ukraine.

Kwani walikubali [emoji16]

The United States has rejected Poland’s offer to send its MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine via a US airbase in Germany, saying the proposal raised “serious concerns” for the entire NATO alliance.
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[emoji635][emoji1255] The advance in the Donbass in the Artemovsk region at the moment completely broke all the plans of the Ukrainians. This is the real fettering and grinding of enemy reserves. Tales that only Troops and mobilized people fight there, and the Khokhol saves his trained and experienced reserves, please leave for naive fools like Bulba. According to the obituaries, it is clear that various special forces are dying, the SSO and experienced numbered brigades of the Ukrainian are ground into dust. Until a political decision is made to abandon the city, the Khokhol is suffering there now simply catastrophic losses, which he did not plan at all.

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NATO "contact group" (War Council) meeting at Ramstein air base Germany over Ukraine​

20 JANUARY 2023

At least thirty-two (32) military Generals have convened for a meeting at Ramstein Air Base in Germany, to discuss future "aid" and "tactics" for the ongoing Ukraine-Russia conflict. Today, the world will find out if Germany will approve the sending of German tanks to Ukraine - a "Red Line" for Russia.

Germany manufactures the Leopard-2 main battle tank. Several other countries in Europe have purchased a number of these tanks over the years, and want to ive them to Ukraine, so as to fight Russia, but there's a problem.

When a country manufactures weapons, and then sells those weapons to another country, the sale is contingent on the receiving country agreeing NOT to re-sell (or give) those weapons to anyone else without permission of the originating country.

In this case, Poland want to give the Leopard-2 tanks they bought, to Ukraine. Germany has not given permission, so the tanks cannot go.
Last week, the German Defense Minister, Lebrecht, resigned There is now a new Defense Minister, and he is attending today's meeting at Ramstein Air Base.

Leaked information coming out of Germany indicates the new minister will approve the transfer of Leopard-2 tanks, but right now, that is only RUMOR.
Yet, there are additional problems.
Through political back-channels, Russia has informed Germany that if German tanks attack Russian soil, it will be a violation of the Potsdam Treaty that ended World War Two. That Treaty makes clear Germany is only allowed to have a "Defense Force" which can be used "for nothing else." Manufacturing tanks which are then sent to Ukraine to fight Russia, would be using the German military for "something else" and Russia's position is that will violate the Demilitarization" provisions of the Potsdam Treaty. Russia allegedly told Germany that if German tanks attack Russian soil "World War 3 will begin immediately.

The rub here is that the former oblasts of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporozyhe, have now joined Russia and been accepted by the Russian legislature, called the Duma. So those territories are now "Russian soil."
Ukraine does not recognize this, nor does the collective West. They refer to those oblasts as having been "illegally annexed."

So Russia views the territories as Russian soil, the West does not. If Ukraine is given German tanks and use those tanks to attack "Russian Soil" it will re-start World War 2, or be known as "World War 3."That is how close the entire world is to horrifying war on a vast scale, and we all get to hear the decision about the German tanks, today.

UPDATE 11:50 AM EST --
The new German Defense Minister, Boris Pistorius has just publicly announced "NATO countries failed to reach a unified position regarding the supply of Leopard 2 tanks to Kyiv." He went on to say ""Statements by the media that Germany is on the way to creating a coalition to send heavy tanks to Ukraine are lies. There are good reasons to send equipment, but there are also reasons not to." All pros and cons must be weighed. Many allies share our point of view, Pistorius added.
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West wamemcost Ukraine, naona hata kupigana nikamavile wanajeshi wa Ukraine wameishajikatia tamaa....wanasubiri order ya kusurrender tu....kwa upande mwingine Russia ndo kama wanaanza vita...

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Wamekufa sana huko Bakhmut,, hii inapelekea line of defense zao kuanza ku collapse kuanzia bakhmut hadi zaporidhdhia,
Ndo maana leo Russia wameanza kushambulia zapo,, ili kuwaforce ukraine wachague front ya kulinda, au wajigawe, iwe rahisi kudeal nao,,
Ndo maana west wanawahi kutaka kukimbiza misaada, maana hali imekua tete sana, 🤷🏽‍♂️
 
USA alitamka mwanzo kua Urusi itaivamia Ukraine mwezi Feb 2022.
Wengi wanadhani ni uwezo mkubwa wa intelligence ya USA,lkn sio,Bali ni kutokana na mtililiko wa matukio.
Kabla ya SMO kuanza Urusi ilifanya juhudi kubwa sana kuepusha vita hii kutokea.
Urusi ilikua Kila siku inaiomba Ukraine kubaki nyutro yaani kubaki bila kuegemea upande wowote lkn Ukraine ikadharau.
Urusi iliiomba USA isiruhusu Ukraine kujiunga na NATO,USA ikadharau,Urusi ikaziomba nchi za NATO zisiipe Ukraine uanachama wa NATO,wakadharau.ingawa haikua imejiunga bado lkn maandalizi ya kujiunga yalikia yanaendelea kiaina.
Urusi ikaziandikia barua nchi za NATO na hasa USA juu ya ombi lake,hawakuweza hata kumjibu.

Wakati hayo yakiendelea Ukraine ikaendelea kuvunja mkataba wa minsk.ikiwa ni pamoja na kuwapiga wa donesk na WA luhansk.
Urusi ikachora mstari mwekundu kwa NATO na Ukraine,wakivuka isije ikalaumiwa.wakavuka bana.

USA na Russia ni maadui wakubwa lkn wenye vikao vingi sana kuhusu usalama wao na WA dunia.wanajuana sana kitabia.

Hivyo baada ya juhudi zote za Urusi kutafuta maridhiano kushindikana USA ikasoma tabia za Urusi kwani walikua kua wamewakatalia maombi Yao yote na wamechora mstari mwekundu hivyo watafanya Nini,Urusi wakanza maandalizi Huku USA akifatilia kwa umakini mkubwa ndipo akatoa tahadhari kua Urusi ataivamia Ukraine mwezi Feb.
Nao USA Kwa malengo Yao ya kuidhoofisha Urusi kwa njia hii wakafurahi kua hatimae Urusi imeingia kwenye mtego.

Suala la vikwazo halikuja kwa bahati mbaya au michango ya silaha haikua Kwa bahati mbaya,Bali ni mipango iliyokuwepo kwa Nia ya kuidhoofisha Urusi kijeshi na kiuchumi,mtego ulikua ni kua akianzisha vita na Ukraine atamalizwa kwa vikwazo vikali sana na vita ya mda mrefu.

Ni dhahiri USA hawakua na taarifa za kutosha juu ya uwezo wa kijeshi na kiuchumi wa Urusi.

SMO ilipoanza USA ilitoa tamko kuwa nchi yoyote isijaribu kuisaidia Urusi.,hapa walilenga kijeshi zaidi,walikua kua itafika mahali Urusi itazidiwa,ama itaishiwa sulaha ama fedha na itadhoofika nalo lengo lao litakuja limetimia.
Tamko hilo lililengwa zaidi kwa china,kua huenda china ikaisaidia Urusi,lakini china kwanza walilipuuza na kusema Urusi ina uwezo wa kupigana peke yake,haihitaji msaada wowote.

USA hawakua na taarifa za kutosha juu ya uwezo wa kijeshi na kiuchumi wa Urusi kwa sababu Hadi Sasa Urusi haijaishiwa silaha kama walivyokua wanadhania USA na NATO,Cha ajabu Kila siku Urusi anapeleka silaha mpya kwa njia ya barabara na reli,Tena sio kutoka makambi mengine Bali mpya kabisa huenda kutoka viwandani.

Cha kushangaza zaidi waliokua wanasema ataishilwa silaha wao ndio wamekua.wa kwanza kulalamika kua maghala Yao ya silaha yamepungukiwa na silaha,zimebaki za akina,wameshasema hivyo USA, UK,Poland,German,Canada na NATO wengine.

Kilio hiki sio kwenye silaha TU,Bali kimesikika pia kwenye uchumi.tumeona tumesikia na kusoma kua sio ulaya TU Bali hata USA maisha yamepanda,ajira zimeshuka,vitu vimeoanda bei hakuna nishati na uchumi kuanza kuporomoka.urusi bado Iko ngangari.
Hatukatai hata yeye kwa sababu alikua anafanya nao biashara kwa namna moja ama nyingine lazime ayumbe hasa kwenye masoko.
Lakini kaweza kugeuza shingo na Sasa anafanya sana biashara na nchi za Asia hasa zile zenye idadi kubwa ya watu mfano chinana India pamoja na mataifa mengine.
Hali hii USA na NATO hawakuitegemea hata.
Kibaya zaidi Kuna nchi kubwa kiuchumi hazijaitenga Urusi kama vile Saud Arabia na nchi nyingine za kiarabu na mashariki ya mbali.

NATO wakiingilia kijeshi Kuna nchi lazima zitaingia vitani upande wa Urusi,nasema lazima kwa sababu ya mahusiano ya nchi hizo na USA.
Nchi amabzo ni wazi zitaingia kupigana pamoja na Urusi ni zile nchi zinazochukiwa sana na USA,zinazowindwa sana na USA na zinazoshutumiwa sana na USA.
Nchi hizi hata kama haziungwi mkono hadharani kijeshi na Urusi lakini USA anashindwa kuzivamia kwa sababu anajua Urusi atazisaidia,na nchi hizo zinajua fika kua NATO waliingiza majeshi kumsaidia Ukraine na Urusi ikatokea akashindwa basi nazo n hi hizo zitaenda na maji,yaani zitapigwa na kuwekwa chini ya mikono ya USA,kwa hiyo kuliko kumuacha Urusi ashindwe ni Bora zisaidiane na Urusi kwa ajili ya usalama wao.nchi hizo ni china,Korea Kaskazini na iran.kuna nchi ziko marafiki na Urusi lakini hazina bifu na USA,hizi zitaweza kuingia Vitani pia lkn hizo tatu nilizozitaja kama Urusi akishindwa maisha mustakabali wao utakua Mgumu mno.

Tuziangalie uwezo wao kijeshi na mchango hatuhitaji maelezo mengi wote tuanjua uwezo wa kijeshi wa nchi hizo na ukilinganisha na baadhi ya nchi za ulaya ama NATO.

Maajabu ya kujimudu Urusi kijeshi na kiuchumi katika vita hii ni kama yalipangwa.
Urusi ilijipanga kwa haya yanayotokea Leo hii kinyume kabisa na matarajio ya USA
Urusi na USA zimekua zikisomana Kila siku,ila Kwa hapa Urusi alimsoma USA kitabia hatua kumi mbele,tabia za USA zinatia mashaka mno na ni rahisi kujua matarajio yake,hapo ndipo Urusi anapompiga BAO.wote mnajua kuhusu kujitanua kijeshi Kwa USA kumzumguka Urusi,sio mpango wa kawaida Bali ni mpango dhidi ya Urusi,Urusi hushitukia na hutibua mipango hiyo.

Mfano mmoja,kwa wafuatiliaji wazuri wa mambo haya,nadhani wengi mnakumbuka jinsi USA alivyokua anatamani kuweka mfumo wa rada Romania na mfumo wa kudungua makombora Cheks au Poland kama sijakosea,kwa kisingizio kua ni kuilinda ulaya dhidi ya mataifa ovu ya Iran na Korea Kaskazini.dunia ikabaki inashangaa,mbona hakuna bifu kati ya Iran na ulaya?,au KK na ulaya?
Urusi walipinga kwa nguvu sana na kutoa vitishi juu,hatimae USA akaachana na mpango ule.
Kusema ukweli mpango ule ulikua ni juu ya kuiangamiza Urusi.na huenda pengine yalikua ni maandalizi ya vita kama hizi.urusi alijua fika Nia ovu hiyo na kutoa vitisho vikali sana kwa USA na nchi zitakazo wekewa mitambo hiyo kua zitakua shabaha namba moja.

Kwa kuamalizia ni kwamba Urusi alijiandaa kwa Kila kitu kijeshi na kiuchumi,
hata wakichangishana silaha na wao pia zianpungua,
NATO waliingia upande wa Ukraine,Kuna nchi zitaingia upande wa Urusi,
Urusi aloshajua janja ya USA siku nyingi kumchonganisha na Ukraine ili akipigana Nae amchoshe kijeshi na kiuchumi,kilichotokea wanachoka wao,
Walitegemea kukamata.Assets za Warusi Warusi wangemfanyia fujo Putin lkn utulivu umetamalaki Urusi.
Sehemu kubwa ya Dunia haijamlaumu urusi.Latin Amerika,Afrika,middle east,far east na Asia hawana shida na Urusi.
 
[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] unajua maana ya jenelali au unalopoka tu.ndo maana nasema hauna unachokijua ila unapenda kuongea kama vile kuna vitu unavijua.yani ujiunge jeshini mwezi wa 7 mpaka ifike mwezi wa 10 uwe jenelali.yani ukae jeshini miezi mitatu upewe cheo cha jenelali[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23].


Kuna watu wapo zaidi ya miaka, alafu uje wewe ndani za miezi mitatu upewe cheo cha jenelali.ebu kuwa serious kijana
Labda alimaanisha jenerali ulimwengu
 
You can't even read between the lines kujua kwamba Ujerumani inachezea akili USA kwa mbinu za hali ya juu kabisa - unapo ambiwa kwamba kumetokea heated debate halafu wanajifanya suala hilo litapelekwa mbele kujadiriwa zaidi - FYI, that alone speaks volumes about Germans hawataki kujiingiza kwenye mgogoro wa Ukraine kichwa kichwa ie hawa-support modus operandi za Joe Biden katika vita hii inayo vuruga uchumi wa Ulaya kutokana na chuki binafsi za Biden na Putin - hata wakishinikizwa na US kupeleka vifaru hivyo Ukraine havitafanya kazi iliyo kusudiwa vyote vitakuwa not battle worthy no spare parts and make believe shells - wajerumani wajanja sana.
Germany wamesoma mchezo wa kijinga wa USA wanajua dhahiri hii vita itaumiza uchumi wao vibaya sana.
 
Mimi nimekuletea taharifa tu mkuu, jinsi mzigo unavyozidi kumwagwa.., mengine yote utakuwa umeongezea mwenyewe [emoji28]

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Hakuna cha nzigo sasa hivi Ulaya wanalazimisha Ujerumani kupeleka mzigo na mjerumani anasema mpaka Amerika apeleke Kwanza ndio nae afikilie
 
West wamemcost Ukraine, naona hata kupigana nikamavile wanajeshi wa Ukraine wameishajikatia tamaa....wanasubiri order ya kusurrender tu....kwa upande mwingine Russia ndo kama wanaanza vita...

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Sio tu kukata tamaa, according to my sources pia Kuna wanajeshi wa Ukraine wanajisalimisha kwa jeshi la Urusi wakigoma kupigana na Urusi na wengine wanajiunga na jeshi la Urusi wakimrudishia Zelensky kichapo. Yani huyu Zerozensk asipokuwa makini atakuja kutolewa na jeshi lake madarakani Kama si kukimbia nchi.
 
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