Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

[D A E M U S H I N]

Wagner wameamua kurudisha maiti za wanajeshi wa ukraine waliokufa soleder, msafara utakuwa ni jumla ya magari 100,full loaded,, 😕

Dharau ya kiwango cha juu

 

[T14 Armata]

Artillery strike hii?... Uturuki angenunua Patriot tu sema siasa zilimkurupusha.

Sijui ni strike gani.

Ni vizuri nchi kuwa na inventories tofauti za silaha ila zinazoshabihiana. Air defence system inasoma hata ndege zake na zinakuwa na Identification of Friend or Foe (IFF) kuzuia zisishambuliwe friendly fire. Marekani ilivyokataa kuuza F-35 kwa Turkey ililenga kuzuia data zake zisisomeke na S-400. Na zingekuwepo hizo F-35 bado nazo zingesoma data za S-400, mtengenezaji upande mwingine anapata access ya data za silaha hasimu kwa vile kungekuwa na technical team yake Turkey.

Inasemekana Israel ilisoma S-300 za Greece kujiandaa ikiwa Syria itazipata. Ni hasara kupeleka silaha yako muhimu kwa unreliable or neutral partner. Hapo Turkey mwenyewe amepigwa mkwara mkali na Russia asitoe siri za S-400 ila hata Greece ana masharti na S-300 zake. Turkey hajawa matured kuaminika sana, kwanza yuko very desperate na critical military technologies. Mfano vita iibuke sasa hivi Marekani ashindwane na S-400 akiahidi tech transfer ya jet engines tu Uturuki anaropoka yote

 

[T14 Armata]

Dharau ya kiwango cha juu

Dharau gani hapo, hii issue imetokea tangu vita hii ianze. Na vita zote za kimataifa zinafanya hivi long before WW1. Hata Russia kuomba ceasefire siku ya Orthodox Christmas sio jambo la ajabu ni kitu kinafanyika miaka mingi.

Exchange kama hizi wamefanya sana na hawatoishia hapa

 

[Elungata]

Russia imeshapoteza TEL ya S-400 mwaka jana hiyo. New evidenceView attachment 2490290View attachment 2490291View attachment 2490292

Sabotaged

 

[Proved]

Sijui ni strike gani.

Ni vizuri nchi kuwa na inventories tofauti za silaha ila zinazoshabihiana. Air defence system inasoma hata ndege zake na zinakuwa na Identification of Friend or Foe (IFF) kuzuia zisishambuliwe friendly fire. Marekani ilivyokataa kuuza F-35 kwa Turkey ililenga kuzuia data zake zisisomeke na S-400. Na zingekuwepo hizo F-35 bado nazo zingesoma data za S-400, mtengenezaji upande mwingine anapata access ya data za silaha hasimu kwa vile kungekuwa na technical team yake Turkey.

Inasemekana Israel ilisoma S-300 za Greece kujiandaa ikiwa Syria itazipata. Ni hasara kupeleka silaha yako muhimu kwa unreliable or neutral partner. Hapo Turkey mwenyewe amepigwa mkwara mkali na Russia asitoe siri za S-400 ila hata Greece ana masharti na S-300 zake. Turkey hajawa matured kuaminika sana, kwanza yuko very desperate na critical military technologies. Mfano vita iibuke sasa hivi Marekani ashindwane na S-400 akiahidi tech transfer ya jet engines tu Uturuki anaropoka yote

Hivi kwa silaha ambazo ni joint partnership kama F-35 kuna kuwa na export Version pia ?

 

[Elungata]

Hivi kwa silaha ambazo ni joint partnership kama F-35 kuna kuwa na export Version pia ?

F;35 ilikua ni joint programme ya nchi za ulaya,, ufaransa alikuja kujitoa, mradi ukawa unakosa funding, ndiposa akaingia US na kuinject hela, huu mradi hadi Turkey alishiriki,akiunda airframe za F-35,
So priority ya kwanza wanapata washiriki, na allies wa karibu wa US, kama japan, south korea, israel, poland, etc

 

[T14 Armata]

Hivi kwa silaha ambazo ni joint partnership kama F-35 kuna kuwa na export Version pia ?

Hapana. Tofauti ni datalink za kuwasiliana baina ya ndege zao na mifumo yao ya anga. Na tofauti nyingine kidogo inaweza kuwa missiles ila mostly F-35 zinatumia missiles sawa kwa vile ni internal bay ambazo ni ngumu kutengeneza. Hadi sasa Su-57 haina missile yoyote ya internal weapons bay. Ukiweka missile nje una-compromise stealth.

Hiyo ndege is not for export. Ishakuwa JSF inatosha, gharama wamepunguza na wamelinda ushirikiano wao. Sio kila nchi ingeenda na hela pale ikakubaliwa kwenye programu

 

[ndammu]

Hii vita hapigani Ukraine, Ukraine ni kama chambo tu!

Hii vita anapigana Urusi na mataifa zaidi 30 ya NATO.

Ogopa sana mtu anapigana na mataifa 30 na hayamuwezi.

Source: US Navy SEAL killed in Ukraine

Kwahiyo nato ndio wanaopigana huko??

 

[ndammu]

Mbona hakuna tofauti na S-300.yani unataka kuniambia ni kitu gani kimekufanya ugundue kuwa iyo ni S-400.
Alafu kama ni S-400 basi ni jambo la kawaida kwa silaha kuteketea vitani.hakuna silaha kwa hapa duniani isiyoteketea uwanja wa vita

Lakni mbona mnazilalamikia za west mda wote kama hakuna silaha iliyokuwa haiteketei vitani?

 

[Mathanzua]

Fighting Russia ‘very, very difficult’ for Ukraine – top US general​

While Kiev has vowed to seize huge tracts of what is now Russian territory, Moscow’s forces have won a series of key battles

General Mark Milley looks on during a meeting of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group at Ramstein Air Base in Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany, January 20, 2023 © AFP / Andre Pain
Ukraine will struggle to make good on its promise to drive Russian forces out of its former territory, US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley stated on Friday. While civilian officials in Washington insist that Kiev must keep fighting, Milley has repeatedly questioned the chances of success.
“President Biden, President Zelensky, and most of the leaders of Europe have said this war is likely to end in a negotiation,” Milley said during a meeting of the US-led Defense Contact Group at Ramstein Air Base in Germany on Friday. “From a military standpoint, this is a very, very difficult fight,” he added.
The US alone has allocated more than $110 billion in military and economic aid to Kiev since last February – supplying Ukraine with progressively heavier armaments, including infantry fighting vehicles, anti-air systems, and more than a million artillery shells.

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Pentagon wants Kiev‘s backers to ‘dig deeper’
Although Ukraine’s NATO-trained troops appear on the cusp of receiving Western-designed main battle tanks, Russian forces have inflicted a series of crushing defeats on Kiev’s military in recent weeks. The strategically important Donbass settlements of Soledar and Klescheevka have both fallen to Moscow’s troops, and the key city of Artyomovsk is now facing Russian encirclement.
“I still maintain that for this year, it would be very, very difficult to militarily eject the Russian forces from every inch of Russian-occupied Ukraine,” Milley said on Friday, referring to the four former regions of Ukraine that voted to join Russia in September, and Crimea, an historic Russian territory that voted to rejoin the Russian Federation in 2014. “That doesn’t mean it can’t happen, doesn’t mean it won’t happen. But it’d be very, very difficult.”
Retaking all of this land – including Crimea – is a stated objective of Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky. To that end, Zelensky has the support of the US, with President Joe Biden and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin vowing to bankroll his military for “as long as it takes,” and Secretary of State Antony Blinken declaring in December that “fundamentally, Ukrainians are making the decisions” about whether they want to attempt to capture Crimea or not.
However, Milley’s public statements have been more tempered than those of Biden and his cabinet. Asked in November whether Ukraine stood a chance of retaking its pre-February territory, he said that the probability of this outcome “is not high, militarily.”

 

[T14 Armata]

F;35 ilikua ni joint programme ya nchi za ulaya,, ufaransa alikuja kujitoa, mradi ukawa unakosa funding, ndiposa akaingia US na kuinject hela, huu mradi hadi Turkey alishiriki,akiunda airframe za F-35,
So priority ya kwanza wanapata washiriki, na allies wa karibu wa US, kama japan, south korea, israel, poland, etc

Ufaransa ni kawaida yake kujitoa kwenye jet project. Hata Rafale aliipata baada ya kujitoa kwenye Eurofighter Typhoon. Ila hii Future Combat Air System (FCAS) France hawezi jitoa maana Dassault ndio kama main contractor. Na kwa ugumu wa 6th generation ni vigumu nchi iwe yenyewe. Mwingereza tiyari kashakimbilia kwa Japan wana project yao

 

[mohamedidrisa789]

Humu walikuwepo watu wengi sana wakishabikia upande fulani ghafla ngoma ilipokua ngumu wakapoteana ,baada ya kukaa mafichoni muda mrefu kidogo wakawa wanavizia vihabari haoo wanafufuka wote[emoji23][emoji23] basi bwana mmoja sijui ndio urusi yule akakaza dozi jukwaa likainama upande mmoja watu wakamute ila kuna wengine walirudi humu kwa id nyingine baada ya id za mwanzo kuprove failure na kuna mmoja namuona ona hapa najua mawili,apotee mazima muda ukifika au abadili id akaze fuvu....hebu nimpigie tena jamaa yangu yuko na wagner wanakichafua balaa huko kuliko inavyosimuliwa hapa

Warusi tu maana tumewazoea sana ndugu zetu[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23].wanasababisha mpaka jukwaa linapoa.

Warusi tubishane hata habari za simba na yanga.tuachane na hii vita[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

 

[Sos21]

[emoji95][emoji95][emoji95]The DPR defense headquarters confirmed the capture of Kleshcheevka near Artemovsk. Yesterday PMC "Wagner" spoke about it[emoji95][emoji95][emoji95]

Kampuni imemega tena eneo la lgbtq-msl

 

[Sos21]

Kabla ya mzigo kumwagika.ulituambia Soledar bado ipo kwenye mikono ya vikosi vya Ukraine. Imekuwaje tena Belgium wameamua kutoa msaada wa chumvi kwa Ukraine baada ya ukraine kupoteza machimbo ya chumvi.

Hii imekaaje Comrade kipanya44 [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

Ulituakikishia kabisa kuwa tusiwe na wasiwasi bado Soledar ipo kwenye mikono salama ya vikosi vya Ukraine.imekuwaje tena ipo kwa wagner[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]


Ebu tupe jibu Comrade

Mkuu usicheze na hii kampuni imewakimbiza pro upinde wengi humu jukwaani

 

[Sos21]

Jana BBC ilitangaza kuwa Soledar imechukuliwa na Warusi lakini mtu mmoja humu JF who is a sworn propagandist and mole of the West bado anaendelea kusema eti 'Soledar bado iko mikono salama ya Ukraine'...duh

Mzee huyo jamaa ki rat bila shaka kuna channel hazishiki vizuri antenna imekatika

 

[Sos21]

"Nachojua marekani waliikimbia russia Venezuela"

Kumbe unachojua wewe ndo hicho....bhas sawa!

Yaap nafuu umekubali

 

[Sos21]

Sababu ya kutopeleka hii hapa
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Ila hata hizo Challenger na Leopold zitakuwa msumari wa moto kwa huyu Supa-pawa wa kuchora.

Noo broo sababu ni kuwa they will burn just like the rest of western weopond..period

 

[Sos21]

Ulivyovba akili fupi,Unadhani kila silaha inayopelekwa Ukraine inatangazwa!Ujue pia sio kila silaha Russia anayopeleka Ukraine anatangaza!
Nikupe tu mfano,Kuna wakati Russia alikuwa hatoi idadi ya aliowala vichwa!Akawa anawafukia Karibu buku kwenye kaburi Moja!Baada ya counter offensive ya Ukraine na kukomboa baadhi ya maeneo ndio tukayajua hayo!
Tuambie,msemaji wa Zelensky amejiuzulu Kwa sababu gani?Je,taarifa kutoka Ukraine Zinaweza kuaminika?
Nakumbuka Zele alimind sana yule mama wa EU alipotoa Siri kuwa zaidi ya wajeda laki Moja wa Ukraine wameliwa vichwa!
Kwenye hii vita,tujadili matokea na sio hizi propaganda nyepesi nyepesi ambazo hazina maana!

Matokeo yanaonesha ukraine imepoteza ardhi

 

[Jacob kalokola]

Upo sahihi katika biashara MTU wa kwanza ni jirani,Ulaya ndio jirani wa Urusi na Nchi nyingi za Ulaya hazina shida kabisa na Russia tatizo ni hicho kimududu USA kinaona EU kufanya biashara na Russia ni kumuongezea mpinzani wake nguvu za kiuchumi.

Hivyo USA yeye anachokifanya ni kuwagombanisha majirani,ila kiuhalisia hii ni vita zidi Russia & USA, pia USA& CHINa.kutokana na Nchi za Ulaya kuwa na income kubwa trade kati ya UE na China au Russia ni kuondoa dominance ya USA Ulaya.

Ndio maana kila siku USA anapambana kusiwepo na trade ya kueleweka kati ya Russia na UE na Kati ya UE na China.

Marekanj ni Shetani

 

[mohamedidrisa789]

Yani hawa west kujichangisha Tank mpya 300 tu kwa ajili ya Ukraine imekuwa inshu.ivi kweli wapo serious kuwasaidia Ukraine kuwatoa Warusi kama wanavyosema au wapo kwa ajili ya kumchelewesha mrusi[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]