Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Artillery strike hii?... Uturuki angenunua Patriot tu sema siasa zilimkurupusha.
Sijui ni strike gani.

Ni vizuri nchi kuwa na inventories tofauti za silaha ila zinazoshabihiana. Air defence system inasoma hata ndege zake na zinakuwa na Identification of Friend or Foe (IFF) kuzuia zisishambuliwe friendly fire. Marekani ilivyokataa kuuza F-35 kwa Turkey ililenga kuzuia data zake zisisomeke na S-400. Na zingekuwepo hizo F-35 bado nazo zingesoma data za S-400, mtengenezaji upande mwingine anapata access ya data za silaha hasimu kwa vile kungekuwa na technical team yake Turkey.

Inasemekana Israel ilisoma S-300 za Greece kujiandaa ikiwa Syria itazipata. Ni hasara kupeleka silaha yako muhimu kwa unreliable or neutral partner. Hapo Turkey mwenyewe amepigwa mkwara mkali na Russia asitoe siri za S-400 ila hata Greece ana masharti na S-300 zake. Turkey hajawa matured kuaminika sana, kwanza yuko very desperate na critical military technologies. Mfano vita iibuke sasa hivi Marekani ashindwane na S-400 akiahidi tech transfer ya jet engines tu Uturuki anaropoka yote
 
Dharau ya kiwango cha juu
Dharau gani hapo, hii issue imetokea tangu vita hii ianze. Na vita zote za kimataifa zinafanya hivi long before WW1. Hata Russia kuomba ceasefire siku ya Orthodox Christmas sio jambo la ajabu ni kitu kinafanyika miaka mingi.

Exchange kama hizi wamefanya sana na hawatoishia hapa
 
Hivi kwa silaha ambazo ni joint partnership kama F-35 kuna kuwa na export Version pia ?
 
Hivi kwa silaha ambazo ni joint partnership kama F-35 kuna kuwa na export Version pia ?
F;35 ilikua ni joint programme ya nchi za ulaya,, ufaransa alikuja kujitoa, mradi ukawa unakosa funding, ndiposa akaingia US na kuinject hela, huu mradi hadi Turkey alishiriki,akiunda airframe za F-35,
So priority ya kwanza wanapata washiriki, na allies wa karibu wa US, kama japan, south korea, israel, poland, etc
 
Hivi kwa silaha ambazo ni joint partnership kama F-35 kuna kuwa na export Version pia ?
Hapana. Tofauti ni datalink za kuwasiliana baina ya ndege zao na mifumo yao ya anga. Na tofauti nyingine kidogo inaweza kuwa missiles ila mostly F-35 zinatumia missiles sawa kwa vile ni internal bay ambazo ni ngumu kutengeneza. Hadi sasa Su-57 haina missile yoyote ya internal weapons bay. Ukiweka missile nje una-compromise stealth.

Hiyo ndege is not for export. Ishakuwa JSF inatosha, gharama wamepunguza na wamelinda ushirikiano wao. Sio kila nchi ingeenda na hela pale ikakubaliwa kwenye programu
 
Mbona hakuna tofauti na S-300.yani unataka kuniambia ni kitu gani kimekufanya ugundue kuwa iyo ni S-400.
Alafu kama ni S-400 basi ni jambo la kawaida kwa silaha kuteketea vitani.hakuna silaha kwa hapa duniani isiyoteketea uwanja wa vita
Lakni mbona mnazilalamikia za west mda wote kama hakuna silaha iliyokuwa haiteketei vitani?
 

Fighting Russia β€˜very, very difficult’ for Ukraine – top US general​

While Kiev has vowed to seize huge tracts of what is now Russian territory, Moscow’s forces have won a series of key battles

General Mark Milley looks on during a meeting of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group at Ramstein Air Base in Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany, January 20, 2023 Β© AFP / Andre Pain
Ukraine will struggle to make good on its promise to drive Russian forces out of its former territory, US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley stated on Friday. While civilian officials in Washington insist that Kiev must keep fighting, Milley has repeatedly questioned the chances of success.
β€œPresident Biden, President Zelensky, and most of the leaders of Europe have said this war is likely to end in a negotiation,” Milley said during a meeting of the US-led Defense Contact Group at Ramstein Air Base in Germany on Friday. β€œFrom a military standpoint, this is a very, very difficult fight,” he added.
The US alone has allocated more than $110 billion in military and economic aid to Kiev since last February – supplying Ukraine with progressively heavier armaments, including infantry fighting vehicles, anti-air systems, and more than a million artillery shells.

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Although Ukraine’s NATO-trained troops appear on the cusp of receiving Western-designed main battle tanks, Russian forces have inflicted a series of crushing defeats on Kiev’s military in recent weeks. The strategically important Donbass settlements of Soledar and Klescheevka have both fallen to Moscow’s troops, and the key city of Artyomovsk is now facing Russian encirclement.
β€œI still maintain that for this year, it would be very, very difficult to militarily eject the Russian forces from every inch of Russian-occupied Ukraine,” Milley said on Friday, referring to the four former regions of Ukraine that voted to join Russia in September, and Crimea, an historic Russian territory that voted to rejoin the Russian Federation in 2014. β€œThat doesn’t mean it can’t happen, doesn’t mean it won’t happen. But it’d be very, very difficult.”
Retaking all of this land – including Crimea – is a stated objective of Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky. To that end, Zelensky has the support of the US, with President Joe Biden and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin vowing to bankroll his military for β€œas long as it takes,” and Secretary of State Antony Blinken declaring in December that β€œfundamentally, Ukrainians are making the decisions” about whether they want to attempt to capture Crimea or not.
However, Milley’s public statements have been more tempered than those of Biden and his cabinet. Asked in November whether Ukraine stood a chance of retaking its pre-February territory, he said that the probability of this outcome β€œis not high, militarily.”
 
Ufaransa ni kawaida yake kujitoa kwenye jet project. Hata Rafale aliipata baada ya kujitoa kwenye Eurofighter Typhoon. Ila hii Future Combat Air System (FCAS) France hawezi jitoa maana Dassault ndio kama main contractor. Na kwa ugumu wa 6th generation ni vigumu nchi iwe yenyewe. Mwingereza tiyari kashakimbilia kwa Japan wana project yao
 
Warusi tu maana tumewazoea sana ndugu zetu[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23].wanasababisha mpaka jukwaa linapoa.

Warusi tubishane hata habari za simba na yanga.tuachane na hii vita[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]
 
Mkuu usicheze na hii kampuni imewakimbiza pro upinde wengi humu jukwaani
 
Matokeo yanaonesha ukraine imepoteza ardhi
 
Marekanj ni Shetani
 
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