Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

IFAC said:
Embu tuelezee kwa nini Raisi mstahafu wa USSR akaishi Marekani badala ya Soviet block yoyote?
Tena alindwe na CIA, NSA na other security organ.
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Wewe mtu..unaelewa kweli unachouliza??Humu ndani kumbe kuna watu weupe sana...tafuteni kwanza taarifa kabla ya kuuliza...duu
 

Kremlin reveals details of Wagner deal​

The PMC's founder Evgeny Prigozhin will "go to Belarus," Dmitry Peskov says

The criminal case against Wagner Private Military Company (PMC) founder Evgeny Prigozhin will be dropped and he will leave Russia, the Kremlin announced on Saturday evening.
Spokesman Dmitry Peskov revealed that Prigozhin, a Saint Petersburg tycoon who made his initial fortune in catering, "will go to Belarus." He did not elaborate on what the businessman will do in the East European state.
He added that Wagner's fighters will not be prosecuted, taking into account their efforts on the frontlines of the Ukraine conflict. Peskov explained that President Vladimir Putin's team "have always respected their exploits."
PMC contractors who refused to take part in the mutiny – and whole units did not – will be allowed to sign contracts with the Russian Defense Ministry, Peskov stated.
Wagner launched a major mutiny in Russia overnight, seizing control of the Southern Military District headquarters in the city of Rostov-on-Don, as well as advancing towards Moscow. The insurrection was stopped late on Saturday, following talks between Prigozhin and Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko, with the PMC leader agreeing to return his units to their “field camps.”
 
lee van cliff said:
Hoja yangu ni kwamba,
Unajuaje kama Putin anamuona kama amekosea?
Unajuaje pengine madai yake yalikua sahihi ila sema njia alizokua anataka kuchukua sio sahihi.
Yeye Lawama zake zote sio kwa Putin,Bali kwa Shoigu na Mkuu wa jeshi kua wanamdanganya Putin.
Sasa hapo pengine Putin anamuona kama mzalendo lkn hakua na subira.
Hayo ni mawazo yangu TU lkn.
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Kwa jinsi Putin alivyo huyu jamaa atapewa sumu
 
[emoji845][emoji1255][emoji2526]Ukraine couldn't even take advantage of Prigozhin's rebellion on the battlefield, - New York Times.

"Ukraine undoubtedly wanted to take advantage of the chaos caused by Prigozhin, but according to US officials and independent analysts, there were no gaps in the defense that could be exploited," the article says.
Prigozhin's march on Moscow "did not result in any Russian units leaving their positions in the south or east on Friday or Saturday to come to Moscow's defense," U.S. officials told the NYT.
[emoji3502]The newspaper recalls that while the rebellion was unfolding, there was no lull in the war: before dawn on Saturday, the Russian army fired more than 50 missiles into Ukraine.
t.me/RVvoenkor

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lee van cliff said:
Hujui mada imeanzia wapi.
Lakini Iko hivi hoja yangu ni kua sisi wote hatujui halo halisi ndani ya vyombo vya usalama.
Nilisema hivi Prigozin ana ugomvi na Shoigu,anamlaumu Shoigu na Mkuu wa jeshi kua wanamdanganya Putin.
Isipokua njia alizotumia ndio zilizomkera Putin.
Hayo ndio maoni yangu lkn.humu wote hatujui ya ndani ya kambi.habari nzito kama hizo za nchi kubwa kama Urusi haziwezi kisambaa kizembe Kila mtu akajua,wote sisi tuanakisia TU.
Putin kama Rais ilibidi atoe matamko kuondoa sintofahamu.
Kumbuka hata Ile habari ya ule msafara mlokua mnajisifu kua ulipigwa na Ukraine juzi kati hapa Putin ndo kaja kuweka hadharani kua waliondoka Kiev kwa kuonesha Good faith.
Hata hili Kuna siku litakuja kuwekwa wazi TU.
Ila Kaa ukijua wale wapiganaji binasfi wa Prigozin hawangeweza kufua dafu mbele ya Red Army,wasingeweza.
Huo umaarufu wote walioupata nikitoka na vifaa,taarifa na maarifa ya jeshi la Urusi lililopaki pembeni likiwasubiri NATO.
Hayo ndio maoni yangu,ila kama una maoni Yako unaweza kuyashikilia TU .
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Lee van cliff huo ndio ukweli
 
Hii ni Jana tu, zaidi ya mia Tisa walichinjwa 🥱🥱🥱🥱
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[emoji298]Ukrainian forces have advanced on the flanks of Bakhmut in Donetsk Oblast up to one kilometer, the Eastern Command spokesperson Serhii Cherevatyi reported on June 25; Russian proxies in Zaporizhzhia Oblast reported that Russian troops killed two teenagers in the occupied port city of Berdiansk.[emoji298]

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Proved said:

Lukashenko's role in ending mutiny 'humiliating' for Putin​

The president of Belarus may capitalise on his role in ending the Wagner mutiny in order to delay Vladimir Putin's increasingly formalised control of the nation, according to military analysts.

Alexander Lukashenko reportedly used his own channels to negotiate with Wagner leader Yevgeny Prigozhin and de-escalated the situation using "unspecified influence", the Institute for the Study of War said.

"The optics of Belarusian President Lukashenko playing a direct role in halting a military advance on Moscow are humiliating to Putin," said the US think-tank.

This may have secured him other benefits, such as preventing Mr Putin from using Belarusian forces in Ukraine or furthering the Union-State agreement, it added.

The Union State of Russia and Belarus is a series of treaties on policy integration signed by the two nations which have been seen as an attempt by Mr Putin to "soft annex" Russia's neighbour.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...updates-12541713?postid=6096252#liveblog-body
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lee van cliff said:
Nilisema hivi Prigozin ana ugomvi na Shoigu,anamlaumu Shoigu na Mkuu wa jeshi kua wanamdanganya Putin.
Isipokua njia alizotumia ndio zilizomkera Putin.
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Hizo lawama amemtupia Putin moja kwa moja isipokuwa tu ameamua kuzunguka bila kumtaja ndio maana Putin alikereka.

Kwa nchi zenye serikali za kiimla/kijamaa mawaziri hufanya kazi kulingana na maelekezo ya aliyewateua (hata kama hawakubaliani naye), huwezi kuwalaumu MOD na kina Shoigu ukamuacha Putin.

Alisema hata chanzo cha Vita hii ya kipuuzi ni tamaa tu (maana Ukraine na NATO hazikuwa zimejandaa kushambulia Urusi), ila maafisa wachache wa Jeshi na oligarchs (akiwemo Putin) waliingiwa tamaa tu japo hakumtaja Putin moja kwa moja ila lawama zake zinajieleza alimlenga nani.
 
Proved said:
Hizo lawama amemtupia Putin moja kwa moja isipokuwa tu ameamua kuzunguka bila kumtaja ndio maana Putin alikereka.

Kwa nchi zenye serikali za kiimla/kijamaa mawaziri hufanya kazi kulingana na maelekezo ya aliyewateua (hata kama hawakubaliani naye), huwezi kuwalaumu MOD na kina Shoigu ukamuacha Putin.

Alisema hata chanzo cha Vita hii ya kipuuzi ni tamaa tu (maana Ukraine na NATO hazikuwa zimejandaa kushambulia Urusi), ila maafisa wachache wa Jeshi na oligarchs (akiwemo Putin) waliingiwa tamaa tu japo hakumtaja Putin moja kwa moja ila lawama zake zinajieleza alimlenga nani.
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Kwa hiyo wewe ulikua kwenye kichwa Cha Prigozin Hadi umeweza kujua alichopanga kusema hadharani na alichokuanacho moyoni?
Yaani alichoweka akiba moyoni?
 
lee van cliff said:
Kwa hiyo wewe ulikua kwenye kichwa Cha Prigozin Hadi umeweza kujua alichopanga kusema hadharani na alichokuanacho moyoni?
Yaani alichoweka akiba moyoni?
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Maneno ya Prigozhin yanajieleleza yenyewe yamemlenga nani.....haihitaji kuwa kichwani mwake kuelewa.

Zile hoja zenu za kudai Putin alifanya 'pre-emptive strike' Prigozhin amezijibu kuwa ni uongo mtupu.
 
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