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Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Wagner uprising "was almost hiding in plain sight," US Sen. Mark Warner says​

From CNN's Natasha Bertrand, Alex Marquardt, Kylie Atwood and Kevin Liptak


Democratic Sen. Mark Warner speaks during a Senate Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs Committee hearing in Washington, DC, on May 16.
Democratic Sen. Mark Warner speaks during a Senate Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs Committee hearing in Washington, DC, on May 16. Al Drago/Bloomberg/Getty Images/FILE

Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin's uprising did not come out of nowhere. US officials had been tracking his ongoing growing feud with Russia's Ministry of Defense for months and took note when threats were traded back and forth between them.

There were also signs that Wagner was stockpiling weapons and ammunition leading up to the rebellion, CNN has reported.

Democratic Sen. Mark Warner, the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee and a member of the Gang of Eight, told CNN that Prigozhin's rebellion "was almost hiding in plain sight."

Still, it was surprising to US intelligence officials how little resistance Wagner faced.

"Putin of 10 years ago would have never allowed this to play out the way it did," Warner said, adding that Putin is "clearly weakened."

"The fact that you have a mercenary group, that I don't think had a full 25,000 troops the way Prigozhin claimed, but was able to literally march into Rostov, a city of a million people which was the command and control for the whole Ukrainian war and take it over with barely a shot fired — that is unprecedented, to say the least," Warner said.

Multiple sources told CNN that US and Western officials believe that Putin was simply caught off guard by Prigozhin's actions and did not have time to array his forces against the mercenaries before they managed to seize control of the military headquarters in Rostov. Putin also likely did not want to divert significant resources away from Ukraine, officials said.

Officials do believe, however, that had Prigozhin tried to seize Moscow or the Kremlin, he would have lost — decisively. That is likely why Prigozhin agreed to strike a deal with Belarus and ultimately turned his troops around, the officials said.

Once Prigozhin launched his rebellion, senior US officials began scrambling to connect with allies and partners and reiterate a key message: The West should remain silent and not give Putin any opening to lay the blame on the US or NATO for the insurrection.

Privately, US officials were reinforcing to the Russian government that the US had nothing to do with the uprising — and urging them to maintain the safety and security of their nuclear arsenal, officials said.


US gathered detailed intelligence on Wagner chief's rebellion plans but kept it secret, sources say​

From CNN's Natasha Bertrand, Alex Marquardt, Kylie Atwood and Kevin Liptak

US intelligence officials were able to gather an extremely detailed and accurate picture of Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin's plans leading up to his short-lived rebellion, including where and how Wagner was planning to advance, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

But the intelligence was so closely held that it was shared only with select allies, including senior British officials, and not at the broader NATO level, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

It was not clear exactly when Prigozhin would act, the sources said. But he appears to have decided to move forward with his plan following a June 10 declaration by Russia's Ministry of Defense that all private military companies, including Wagner, would be forced to sign contracts with Russia's military beginning in July and essentially be absorbed by the Russian Ministry of Defense.

The intelligence was so secret that within the US, it was briefed only to the most senior administration officials as well as the Gang of Eight members of Congress who have access to the most sensitive intelligence matters.

The secrecy surrounding the intelligence was why some senior European officials and even senior officials across the US government were caught off guard by Prigozhin's attack on Friday, and the speed with which Wagner forces marched into Rostov-on-Don and up toward Moscow into Saturday morning, the sources said.

Some NATO officials expressed frustration that the intelligence was not shared. But doing so would have risked compromising extremely sensitive sources and methods, sources explained.

Ukrainian officials were not told about the intelligence in advance, either, officials said, due primarily to fears that conversations between US and Ukrainian officials might be intercepted by adversaries.

Biden spent the days after the rebellion fizzled out speaking with allies, including the leaders of France, Germany, the United Kingdom and Canada, as well as Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelensky.

During those conversations, he shared what information the US had about the rebellion, according to officials, in order to ensure the leaders had a better understanding of what was known to US intelligence.
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Putin amekuwa dhaifu Sana, alishawahi kusema hasamehi wasaliti ila Wagner wamepata msamaha tena watachagua pa kwenda..........ingekuwa ni Putin wa kabla ya hivi Vita hawa jamaa wangepata tabu Sana.

Hivi Vita vimeiyumbisha sana Urusi na Putin, mpaka viishe hii nchi itakumbwa na anguko lingine kama lile la mwaka 1991.
Maongo haya
 
Ukraine Wanapigwa jameni dah..Nimeona sehemu wamejikuta wako katikati ya mabomu akisogea kinalipuka..akikaa linalipuka akikanyaga miguu inakatwa yaan wanavuja damu nyingi sana yule msanii si wamuue anadhani ni maigizo
Aisee mpaka huruma, ndo maana Russia aliwaambia fikirieni mara mbili mbili kabla ya kupigana dhidi ya Russia
 
Hiyo Para ya mwisho ndio mpango mzima.

Wagner wanaenda Belarus kutengeneza defense line dhidi ya NATO.
NATO imesogea Eastern front. Bila ku strengthning Belarus borders Russia anakuwa vulnerable.
Russia imeshapiga hesabu zake, kwa upande wa huku Ukraine NATO hawezi tena kuwa threat kwa Russia. Lakini kule kwa upande wa Belarus hakuko strong. Sasa Wagner ndio wanapelekwa.

Na pia, kama ikitokea NATO wakaleta za kuleta, tayari kuna majeshi yapo standby kuvamia nchi za NATO kwa upande wa Belarus.

Pia, inaipa Russia option ya kuvamia Kiev akitokea Belarus.
- Nimeona jana kupitia Sky News moja ya wapinzani wa Lukashenko aliyepo uhamishoni akilalama
 
WALAKA WA KWANZA(1) WA PRIGOZHIN BAADA YA KUFIKA BERALUS.





Kwa nini Wagner Group waligeuka dhidi ya Wizara ya Ulinzi:

Kama matokeo ya fitina na maamuzi yaliyofanywa vibaya, Wagner Group ilitazamiwa kuacha kuwapo mnamo Julai 1, 2023. Baraza la makamanda wa Wagner Group liliwasilisha habari hii kwa wapiganaji wetu, karibu hakuna hata mmoja wao aliyekubali kutia saini mkataba na Wizara ya Ulinzi, kwa sababu. wote wanajua vyema kutokana na uzoefu wao wakati operesheni maalum ya kijeshi kwamba ingesababisha kupoteza kabisa uwezo wa kupigana. Wapiganaji wenye uzoefu na makamanda wangeenezwa na kutibiwa vyema kama lishe ya mizinga, wasioweza kutumia uwezo wao wa kupigana na uzoefu wa mapigano.

Jinsi 'maandamano ya haki' yalivyotokea:

Tulipinga kabisa mipango ya Wizara ya Ulinzi. Hata hivyo, tulifunga vifaa vyetu, tukachukua hesabu, na tukapanga kuondoka Juni 30 kwa msafara kuelekea Rostov na kuikabidhi makao makuu ya operesheni maalum ya kijeshi ikiwa hawangebadili uamuzi wao. Lakini pamoja na ukweli kwamba hatukuonyesha uchokozi wowote, shambulio la kombora lilirushwa dhidi yetu, na kufuatiwa mara moja na helikopta. Takriban wapiganaji 33 wa Wagner Group waliuawa. Wengine walijeruhiwa. Hili lilichochea uamuzi wa haraka wa baraza la makamanda ambao tulihitaji kusonga mbele mara moja. Nilitoa taarifa nikisema kwamba hatukukusudia kuonyesha uchokozi wowote bali kwamba ikiwa tungeshambuliwa, tungeona kuwa ni jaribio la kutuangamiza—na tungejibu.



Msafara mmoja ulikwenda Rostov, na mwingine ulielekea Moscow. Tulisafiri umbali wa kilomita 780 kwa siku moja. Hakuna askari hata mmoja aliyeuawa chini. Tunasikitika kwamba tulilazimika kushambulia ndege, lakini walikuwa wakitupiga kwa mabomu na kurusha makombora. Tulikuja ndani ya kilomita 200 kutoka Moscow. Wakati huu, vifaa vyote vya kijeshi kando ya njia vilizuiwa na kutengwa. Narudia: hakuna mtu aliyeuawa chini. Miongoni mwa wapiganaji wa Kikundi cha Wagner, watu kadhaa walijeruhiwa, na askari wetu wawili, ambao walijiunga nasi kwa hiari kutoka kwa jeshi na Wizara ya Ulinzi, walikufa. Hakuna wapiganaji wa Kikundi cha Wagner waliolazimishwa kushiriki katika kampeni hii, na kila mtu alijua lengo lake kuu.
 
WALAKA WA PILI (2) WA PRIGOZHIN BAADA YA KUFIKA BELARUS



Kwa lengo la "maandamano ya haki":

Lengo la kampeni yetu lilikuwa kuzuia uharibifu wa Wagner Group na kuwawajibisha watu ambao, kupitia matendo yao yasiyo ya kitaalamu, walifanya idadi kubwa ya makosa wakati wa Operesheni Maalum. Umma ulidai hili.

Kuhusu majibu ya jeshi:

Wanajeshi wote waliotuona wakati wa maandamano walituunga mkono.

Kwa nini alimaliza maandamano:

Tulisimama wakati ambapo kikosi cha kwanza cha shambulio kilichokuja ndani ya kilomita 200 kutoka Moscow kilipeleka silaha zake. kilifanya uchunguzi wa eneo hilo, na ilikuwa dhahiri kwamba damu nyingi ingemwagika ikiwa tutaendelea. Kwa hiyo tuliamua kwamba kuonyesha tu nia zetu kungetosha. Kulikuwa na mambo mawili muhimu nyuma ya uamuzi wetu wa kurejea. Ya kwanza ilikuwa kwamba hatukutaka kumwaga damu ya Kirusi. Pili ni kwamba tuliandamana ili kuonyesha upinzani wetu, sio kupindua serikali. Wakati huo, Alexander Grigoryevich Lukashenko alinyoosha mkono wake na kupendekeza kwamba tutafute njia za kuendeleza kazi ya Wagner Group ndani ya mamlaka ya kisheria. Misafara iligeuka nyuma na kwenda kwenye kambi zao za shamba.



"Putin hakupatikana popote" Uchunguzi wa ndani wa jaribio la mazungumzo ya Kremlin na Prigozhin na kwa nini ilimchukua Lukashenko kukomesha uasi huo.


Juu ya yale ambayo "maandamano ya haki" yalifunua:

Kuna matatizo makubwa ya kiusalama katika nchi yetu. Tulifanikiwa kuzuia vitengo vyote vya kijeshi vilivyokuwa kwenye njia yetu. Ndani ya saa 24, tulifunika umbali sawa na umbali kutoka mahali pa kuanzia kwa vikosi vya Urusi mnamo Februari 24, 2022, hadi Kyiv au Uzhhorod. Hii inaonyesha kwamba ikiwa shambulio la kwanza la operesheni maalum ya kijeshi lingefanywa na vikosi kama vyetu, basi labda lingeisha kwa siku moja. Kiwango cha shirika tulichoonyesha kinapaswa kuwa kiwango cha shirika la jeshi la Urusi. Tulipopita kwenye majiji ya Urusi mnamo Juni 23-24, raia walitukaribisha wakiwa na bendera za Urusi na bendera za Kikundi cha Wagner. Wengi wao bado wanaandika maneno ya kuunga mkono, na wengine wamekata tamaa kwamba tuliacha, kwa sababu pamoja na kupigania uhai wetu, waliona tunaunga mkono vita dhidi ya urasimu na maradhi mengine yaliyopo katika nchi yetu leo.

Tulitoa darasa kuu kuhusu kile ambacho kilipaswa kufanyika tarehe 24 Februari 2022. Lengo letu halikuwa kupindua serikali ya sasa na mamlaka zilizochaguliwa kisheria, kama wengi wamesema. Tuligeuka kukwepa kumwaga damu za askari wa Urusi.
 
Hili suala la Wagner Ukraine limewavuruga kabisa yaani hawajui wafanye nini..media zimeshift attention kabisa...nahisi hata wanajeshi waukraine waliweka silaha chini kufuatilia kinachoendelea Russia...

US akawa ndo wakwanza kutoa clarification kuwa hausiki na kinachoendelea.. na wakawsiliana na Moscow kwa karibu kuhusu usalama wa silaha za nyukilia...Washauri wote wakamfuata mzee...Biden mapumziko kwa ajili ya kuendelea kufuatilia hali

Pale EU ndo kukapoa kabisa vikao mwanzo mwisho wakifuatilia kinachoendelea Moscow wakiomba hali ikae sawa...

US na EU wamekua wakimsema sana Putin..juzi walipohisi anawezapata shida wote wakaanza kupata uoga.UK na chuki yake yote kwa Urusi juzi katulia na wakijiandas kukabili kitajachotokea..

Juzi ulimwengu mzima MSD zilikua zinareport kuhusu Putin, Wagner , Urusi sio hata Ukraine.

Why??
Usalama wa West unategemea sana usalama wa Urusi na kuwepo kwa kiongozi mwenye busara Kremlin pale.

Putin mpole siku akiingia natinalist au .tu kama Prod....west watachanganyiwa.

Putin anawqsaidia sana

US kaliwa 6billion na Wagner, wahuni wamepita nazo
 
Urusi sio taiga teule marekani ameshafadhili vitu vingap hapa ni vingi sana lakin urusi sio watoaji US wao kuna USAID elimu wanafadhili afya pia nakuleta dawa
 
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