Tanzania na Burundi wakwama kikao kingine cha EAC cha kujadili Corona

[Kevin85ify]

Please, educate me on how you can reach Southern Africa markets without going through Tanzania, simple question!!

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By ship, by air not by road which will be very expensive. bidco exports edible oils etc to southern africa countries but via mombasa port.

 

[Avriel]

i) That is plain stupid, why sign agreements you do not intend to keep
ii) Just because elon musk said something it does not mean he is right. He is looking after his investment not public health. This is an appeal to authority which is a logical fallacy.
iii) elon musk is not the smartest man in the world, get your facts right. He is a visionary but depends on smarter people than him to get the technology right.

Who is right then?

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[Avriel]

Utterances of a delusional mad man. Read eac rule 11. If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. East Africa Community fell apart in the past and Kenya did fine on it's own while all her neighbors fell into economic problems.

Let them perform well and leave Tanzania suffers!

It's the matter of choice and the said Magufuli has decided not to join the race, he has his own way of dealing with that matter though he seems not to cope with his neighbour's.

Kwanini mteseke na nchi na kiongozi aso msaada kwenu na pia anawapa nafasi mfanye vizuri kwa kutoshirikiana nae?
Mtajadili afanye mtakavyo nae hatokaa afuate, mtengeni endeleeni na business zenu.
# urafiki wa mashaka.

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[Avriel]

Protocol ya kuitisha vikao ambavyo havipo scheduled?
Hiki kikao ni rasmi au cha dharura?

Why sign the eac protocols then, if you knew you do not intend to work within the rules?

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[Avriel]

If east africa community falls apart today several things will happen.
i) Unemployment in Kenya's neighbors will increase due to the fact that manufacturing companies in the eac majorly target kenya as their export market which means they will close or move to Kenya.
ii) economic problems will fall on Kenya's neighbors due to the loss of jobs.
iii) Kenyan companies will continue doing business, given they are used to high tariffs being imposed on them specifically by Tanzania, which always puts hurdles on Kenyan companies (Which is against eac rules).
iv) Kenyan human resource forming the bulk of the service sector in east africa will move back to kenya leading to reduced human resource capacity in Kenya's neighbors.
v) Kenyan human resource is marketable across the world and will simply look for other opportunities in other african, european and north american countries.

In short Kenya will be okay without the eac but all the rest will suffer.

Kwahiyo Kenya anaihurumia Tanzania na Tanzania haijihurumii?
Get the fact from the former collapsed EAC kabla ya hii unayoina yenye muendelezo wa unafiki na urafki wa mashaka.

Rais Magufuli is alive na hulka yake sio mfichaji wa kinachomkereketa, subiri ataropoka tu siku moja utaelewa why hajafanya kama wengine wanavyotaka.

Nchi nyingi duniani hazijaappy measure zote stipulated za try and error on lockdown but hazijapigiwa kelele kama inavopigiwa kelele Tanzania, je tunahurumiwa sana kuliko tunavyojihurumia au kuna jambo gani behind?

Majirani wote na baadhi ya watanzania wenyewe wanaonyesha kustaajabishwa pia na maamuzi ya kipekee bila kuiga ya kiongozi wao, bila shaka yajayo yanafurahisha tuwe tayari.

Stupid covid19 is to fucked as well!

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[Avriel]

Without Tanzania, Kenya can't survive am telling you, in 80s Kenya used to be supported by western countries vs Eastern block, for now there is no that support, Kenyan economy depends on Tanzania from raw material, markets and link to access southern countries markets, if we block all those, that will be the end of Kenya.

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Tunategemeana kwa aspects mbalimbali lakini haitulazimishi kufuata kila jambo in the name of union, nooo

Tanzania iko hivyo miaka tangu enzi za mwalimu, walimtenga mwalimu wakati ule ikapelekea former EAC kuanguka na wakamsapoti kimya kimya IDD amin nchi ipigwe Kenya aendelee kuwa kinara, so wanachofanya kwa kisingizio cha covid19 is an hidden agenda of Kenyan's, Uganda na Rwanda wafuata mkumbo na maskini Sudan kusini hawajui hawa wanafiki Kenya waliokuja na coalition sijui iliishia wapi.

Tanzania will remain the same wacha waendelee. Halafu kama wako right na Tanzania ndio problem wanateseka nini wakati wameitenga?

Magufuli atasema wakati ukifika nasi tutajudge kuwa ni udhaifu wake au amenusa nini huko kusini na mashariki kwnini ashiriki na wenzie, na kama anacho kitu why asiwashirikishe.

All in all tunahitaji kuondokana na covid19 je wanajadili suluhu au blah blah tu
Tunahitaji kuona matokeo mazuri baada ya majadiliano yao.

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[Avriel]

Mnaogopa au kuhofia nini Tanzania ikitengwa?
Kwamba mnajali na kuipenda sana Tanzania mnayoiombea mabaya?
Wacheni itengwe na iharibike kabisa mfanye sherehe muwe vinara wa dunia.

Viongozi wenu wanajarbu kutahadharisha, mtatengwa kote kuanzaia SADC mpaka EAC, acheni ukaidi na tikitaka nyingi zisizo na tija mfuate ushauri wa kitaalam na sayansi, mambo ya mara mapaipai mara corona inaogopa kanisa...

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[Avriel]

Magufuli anatuaibisha kwa kweli. I miss Jakaya Kikwete. Magufuli naona ushirikiano wa kimataifa anapata mswaki kabisa.

Nadhani hukumbuki ni wakati wa Jakaya hao waliungana kwa issue nyingine.

Let them be my dear, Tanzania nchi huru kujiamulia mambo yake, inayo nafasi pia kujirkebisha, mambo ya nchi yana nyuma ya pazia nyingi sana.

Kiongozi wa nchi anaweza kuwa anaharibu pia time itatuambia.

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[Avriel]

Magusifuri is a country bumpkin!

Mmhhhh!!!

Mamlaka zote zatoka kwa Mungu, iwe dhalimu au ya haki.

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[Avriel]

Kukimbia kikao ni zaidi ya kujua lugha au kutokujua lugha.

Kwanini anakimbia vikao? Hajakimbia kikao kimoja, Nyani Ngabu, tafuteni Mhaya mmoja amyanzishie darasa la lugha. Chato na Bukoba sio mbali

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[Kifaru_07]

Tanzania has always been the hard headed child in EA. Kama mnasema Kenya ni wabaya, je Zambia waliofunga border na bado Kenya haijafanya hivyo.
Magufuli amefanya bet na maisha zenu na mnasema mnaiga inchi sisizo fanya lockdown. What you forget is that those countries that havent like sweden are richer, much smaller and they do thorough contact tracing and quarantine of victims. Sweden has higher death rate than most countries in europe. The didn't lock down because wana mahospitali advanced. Je Tz na afya duni?
Whatever Kenya gets from Tz can be got from Uganda and the other neighbouring countries but its just because of cheaper prices, we still produce all those agricultural stuff, tutapanda vitungu na viazi, hatuta kaa chini na kulia eti Tz wametunyima.
Sasa spread of covid19 is just beginning, those that say it is fake, wait until it land in your neighbor's house, alafu ikuje kwako...

 

[Kevin85ify]

Protocol ya kuitisha vikao ambavyo havipo scheduled?
Hiki kikao ni rasmi au cha dharura?

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Make yourself familiar with eac rules. Kagame as the chair person can call a meeting of all heads of states in the eac at anytime he deems fit on regional issues. He can also call any head of state concerning regional issues.
Reading is quite a powerful thing try it sometimes.

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

i) That is plain stupid, why sign agreements you do not intend to keep
ii) Just because elon musk said something it does not mean he is right. He is looking after his investment not public health. This is an appeal to authority which is a logical fallacy.
iii) elon musk is not the smartest man in the world, get your facts right. He is a visionary but depends on smarter people than him to get the technology right.

1. I said Elon Musk is the smartest human being alive not intelligent though he is also intelligent(hardcore software dev who founded PayPal)- Smart people organize intelligent engineers to create revolutionary products
2.Big brains think alike - Of all people, why would elon musk the genious have the same thinking as magufuli? He has rightly said corona is a small disease same words magufuli used.
3. For your info, Elon Musk is not so much interested in protecting his wealth - He is selling all his material possessions & putting all that to taking humanity to mars. Elon is not an obsessive glutton,his blue prints for Tesla now open source - He dumped all his patents online[/QUOTE]

 

[Avriel]

Make yourself familiar with eac rules. Kagame as the chair person can call a meeting of all heads of states in the eac at anytime he deems fit on regional issues. He can also call any head of state concerning regional issues.
Reading is quite a powerful thing try it sometimes.

Magufuli hajahudhuria wamekwama hizo agenda?

 

[Mbolabilika]

Hata Kama vikao havina maana Wala faida kwake anataka audhulie tu

Magufuli does not agree on those nonsense covid-19 measures that have made people boil stones for food & police beat people.

Why should he attend? He is making his decisions crystal clear to all - Tz can always agree on many issues with EAC but on Corona, thats a big NO. He is making a statement, he is not a sheep to be pulled into a sheep pen.

If you follow Elon Musk, you will understand why magufuli is not intrested in this nonsense

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[Mbolabilika]

Na mara zote ilishinda ,unajua TZ Kama gari bac injini na Kama mtu bac kichwa hapa E.A

Haha! Binafsi bado naiamini serikali yangu kwa kufanya hivyo hata kama haisemi sababu ila ninachofahamu sio kila kitu lazima tutangaziwe!,bado naona kuna kitu hakijakaa sawa.. na Tanzania sio mara ya kwanza kuwa na misimamo ya kipekee!

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[Kevin85ify]

[/QUOTE]
eac will be there, Tanzania is the one to decide if it wants to be part of the eac

1. I said Elon Musk is the smartest human being alive not intelligent though he is also intelligent(hardcore software dev who founded PayPal)- Smart people organize intelligent engineers to create revolutionary products
2.Big brains think alike - Of all people, why would elon musk the genious have the same thinking as magufuli? He has rightly said corona is a small disease same words magufuli used.
3. For your info, Elon Musk is not so much interested in protecting his wealth - He is selling all his material possessions & putting all that to taking humanity to mars. Elon is not an obsessive glutton,his blue prints for Tesla now open source - He dumped all his patents online

[/QUOTE]
i) elon musk is not the smartest person, being a founder of paypal does not mean anything. The smartest hardcore developer is Linus Torvalds .I know you do not know him (Given that you seem to have known about elon musk yesterday), but he created the Linux kernel and the most used code repository called GIT. Yes even the tesla car software relies on the linux kernel, same to android phones. elon musk is nothing compared to linus torvalds who unlike elon has made his software open source and does not profit from them.

ii) As I said he does not know or understand epidemiology or the problem the disease will bring to the whole health sector.

iii)How naive of you. I expected more critical thought . He did the same when funding spacex to his last billion, now he makes millions delivering packages to the space station paid for by the American taxpayer using his falcon heavy reusable rockets. He is far from a philanthropist or altruist.

iv) Billionaires across the world use various tactics to evade taxes including putting 90% of their wealth into charity trusts which helps them evade taxes. Research on billionaire charity trusts I am sure you have no clue.

 

[Walnut Creek]

Tanzania has always been the hard headed child in EA. Kama mnasema Kenya ni wabaya, je Zambia waliofunga border na bado Kenya haijafanya hivyo.
Magufuli amefanya bet na maisha zenu na mnasema mnaiga inchi sisizo fanya lockdown. What you forget is that those countries that havent like sweden are richer, much smaller and they do thorough contact tracing and quarantine of victims. Sweden has higher death rate than most countries in europe. The didn't lock down because wana mahospitali advanced. Je Tz na afya duni?
Whatever Kenya gets from Tz can be got from Uganda and the other neighbouring countries but its just because of cheaper prices, we still produce all those agricultural stuff, tutapanda vitungu na viazi, hatuta kaa chini na kulia eti Tz wametunyima.
Sasa spread of covid19 is just beginning, those that say it is fake, wait until it land in your neighbor's house, alafu ikuje kwako...

Zambia wamefunga border "temporary" mnajifanya hamuelewi hili neno? Na sababu zao waliziweka wazi na sisi Watanzania tukaheshimu uwamuzi wao mbona nyie majirani feki wa East Africa ukitoa Burundi hamheshimu uamuzi wa Tanzania? Mkiona tunahatarisha usalama wenu basi fungeni mipaka yenu. Tupunguze porojo tufanye vitendo halafu mwisho wa siku tutajua ukweli.

 

[MK254]

Magufuli hajahudhuria wamekwama hizo agenda?

Hata wewe ulipogoma kuhudhuria darasa, wengine waliendelea na masomo, ila sasa kwa hili mkulu wenu anaongoza taasisi ya uraisi, hivyo sio vizuri afanye maamuzi kwa mihemko kwa hisia zake, kila anachokifanya kinawahusu mamilioni ya watu, akikaidi ushauri wa kitaalam anakosea wote hao.

 

[Walnut Creek]

Make yourself familiar with eac rules. Kagame as the chair person can call a meeting of all heads of states in the eac at anytime he deems fit on regional issues. He can also call any head of state concerning regional issues.
Reading is quite a powerful thing try it sometimes.

Unajifanya mjuaji kama vile Kenya ni States. Nyie wapumbavu ni wategemea misaada kama sisi tu. Wizara yenu inapokea misaada ya Covid 19 inaishia kunywa chai ya mamilioni, demokrasia yenu ipo mikononi ya Kiambu mafia, kama kusoma kwingi na kujua sheria ingekuwa ina maana Kenya leo hii Murkomen asingekuwa backbencher pale kwenye senate. Tuweke pembeni hilo, nani ambaye hafahamu Nairobi watu wamerudi kuishi maisha ya kawaida na lockdown yenu feki huko Eastleigh kuna bomu zuri sana linatengenezwa la Corona na mark my words next month mtatoa hiyo lockdown feki ili uchumi uende na mtapata namba kubwa za wagonjwa kuliko sasa na hii habari ya kufuatilia Tanzania itaisha kwa upesi kama ilivyoanza. Kama King Kaka alivyowaita Wajinga nyinyi.