Wana sayansi waanza kukukbali uwepo wa Mungu


Haya ni mahubiri ambayo hayajajibu swali la msingi la kwa nini mungu mjuzi wa yote, muweza yote, mwenye upendo wa juu karuhusu mabaya yawezekane.

Let me play devil's advocate for a second.

Mungu alimjua shetani na nyendo zake zote kabla shetani hajaumbwa, right? ( the answer must be right, if not, then god does not know everything)

Sasa shetani ambaye kashahukumiwa kuishi na kuwa shetani, kwa mujibu wa maono ya mungu,ambayo hayakosei,angewezaje kuepuka kuwa mbaya?

Na kama hakuweza kuepuka kuwa mbaya, mungu ana haki ya kumhukumu kwa ubaya?
 
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Nakukumbuka kila siku
 
Why are non theists afraid and scared of death?
 

Mungu alisema ni bora ukawa wa moto au baridi kuliko kuwa wa uvuguvugu.
 

Again, the argument from design/ complexity is a self defeatist one for theists. It will ultimately require god to be crated, and his creator to be created, and his creator to be created...

Ad infinitum, ad absurdum!
 
Again, the argument from design/ complexity is a self defeatist one for theists. It will ultimately require god to be crated, and his creator to be created, and his creator to be created...

Ad infinitum, ad absurdum!
Kiranga, i do love your comments they always are a tasty brain food for me. Indeed an absurd infinity loop is initiated but whats even more absurd is the atheist stories. I'm a man of science and logic as well and trying to accept that the universe created itself from nothing, isn't making much sense either. May i quote this from Hawkings explanations wakijaribu kuelezea how the universe came from nothing "There was nothing to "fluctuate" somehow "Nothing" convulsed and "Something" appeared"!Kwanza not only does this statement violate great deal of laws that says for this to happen Mass and energy must be injected to the system, ila haileti sense kabisa, how can something appear from nothing!! Kuna debate kubwa but i'm not gonna bore you with it, this is the conclusion that i think kinda makes sense to me, mkuu mark me correctly "MAKES SENSE TO ME"!

"...Thus, the "Uncaused Cause" must have personality and consciousness and ergo we arrive at God.
Only those things that had a beginning had a cause. Since God does not have a beginning, He did not need a cause. He then is the only one who can be the ultimate beginner – that first uncaused cause. This uncaused cause of all things is who we call God. This makes God and only God necessary since He was needed to begin it all. The universe and everything in it is not necessary outside of serving God's purpose, plan, and causal objective."
 

The notion that science is limited to the big bang theory is false.

If you approach science with that understanding, and acknowledge that there are things that are still unknown to science, and the big bang theory is just one model among many, and it is possible that there are more accurate models that we do not know yet (example from uniting quantum physics and relativity) there arises no absurdity at all.

If you say that the most complex entity in the universe could exist uncaused, you are necessarily saying anything else in that universe could arise uncaused.

You can't say that a Jumbo jet can arise out of nowhere/ nothing but a simple chair cannot.

This is why the argument from complexity/ design is self defeatist for theists. If god, who is infinitely more complex than human can arise / exist out of nowhere and nothing, without being created, the chances of humans to do the same 9exist out of nowhere/ nothing) is infinitely more so, because they are infinitely less complex than this god.

All of a sudden, the idea gets so absurd, infinitely absurd.

If god can be uncaused, everything else can be uncaused.

If god is infinitely more complex than humans, and uncaused, then humans have an infinitely magnified chance of having appeared out of nowhere/ nothing and uncaused.
 
 

Tafuta kitabu cha Brian Clegg "Before The Big Bang: The Prehistory of The Universe" uone big bang model ilivyochambuliwa na kukutwa wanting.

Ukishasema complexity inahitaji muumba, ultimately unasema the ultimate complexity, that is god, atahitaji muumba.

Which is absurd, since god is supposed to be the uncaused cause.

Do you see the contradiction in this line of thinking?
 
I'm already used to your hoops and jumps, whenever things sour up!
You are so amusing buddy! 🙂

Not as amusing as the idea that a jumbo jet can arise out of thin air, but a simple chair cannot.

Put "god" in place of jumbo jet and "human" in place of chair, and the absurdity you posit is magnified an infinity of infinities.
 
Big Bang is the best model to date that explains the universe.
As usual if this is the best model than creation ex-nihilo then outside the Bible there is no even "a good" model. Here are no brainer questions to ask
  1. What banged? (We start with Nothing, remember?)
  2. Why it banged?
  3. Who/What initiated the bang?

Creation model is simple accurate and True... "In the Beginning God created the heavens and earth....for in six days God created [all things]"
 
Not as amusing as the idea that a jumbo jet can arise out of thin air, but a simple chair cannot.

Put "god" in place of jumbo jet and "human" in place of chair, and the absurdity you posit is magnified an infinity of infinities.

Hahaha! Another dumb example!
Very amusing aisee!
 

Scientifically speaking, to date this is the best explanation ever proposed that explains the origin and operations of the universe, no wonder Hawking has been given all the honors and its only a while atapewa Nobel price. According to the guy "The universe created itself from nothing!! There was nothing at first then there was something!!", there are series of arguments proposed justifying this but To me this is just a way of saying 'I have no freaking clue what happened'

So my views are, i do believe some parts of his model ila some parts ni absurdity!! God must be a centre figure in all this, Einstein seemed to believe so too!
 
Scientifically speaking,
I guess you forgot that science as we always mean it needs repeatable experiments under controlled evironment.
And let me remind all buddies here that Evolutionists cannot go back billions of years to do any test/observation and according to their religion, no body was there: there was nothing! So everything about it is sheer speculation.

On other hands, we creationists were not there thousands of years ago but we have a trustworthy report from one who was there. Its insane that those who do not believe in Biblical Creation report try to paint themselves "scientific" while painting us who believe the Bible as "ignorants". The truth is, its insane to believe report from Mr. nothing!

CC: Kiranga bona Tiger et al
 
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Mkuu,
Huwa najiuliza sana

Hivi inakuwaje mtu anaedai kuwa anafikiri kabisa aseme kuwa Binadamu [achilia mbali dunia na ulimwengu wote na vilivyomo] kuwa alitokea tu

Hii inaingiaje akilini?

Nibora mara elfu nyingi wale wanaokubali kuwa kuna muwekaji wa vyote ila hawajajua ni yupi au ni nani ....!!!!!!

CC: MaxShimba !!!!!!
 
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