Wana sayansi waanza kukukbali uwepo wa Mungu

[Kiranga]

Kiranga, you have asked a good question. You have hit the mark! And that's why I am convinced that you are so close to experiencing the God of Jesus Christ (not the god of Pasco). It may still take long but I do not care how much long it will take. What is good is that you are already in the right path towards the knowledge of the true God. You are searching for TRUTH!

It's very true that Satan has blinded us. It's also true that God gave Satan the power to blind us, and therefore, as you questioned, it’s the will of God that Satan blinds us (Luke 4:5-6 [SUP]5[/SUP] And the devil…shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. [SUP]6[/SUP] And the devil said unto him, All this power … is delivered unto me…).

But it's also true that God, through Jesus Christ, has immense power to un-blind us, to make us see, to make us experience His (God’s) presence to the extent that we are sure that God exists.

I anticipate that your next question could be, 'why did God allow Satan to blind us and then send Jesus Christ to un-blind us, to make us see again?’ Why?'

The answer is simple. Satan is a very powerful creature and he blinded us using all his satanic power, but God gave Jesus all power and authority and sent Him (Jesus) to come and un-blind us. Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3:8.. the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil). God did this with one aim; He wanted to make a show of His Power (Romans 9:17… For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh (an image of Satan), Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth ).

God wanted to display His Power, to make His Power known to Satan, Demons, Holy Angels and to Man.

God gave power to Satan to bind us, blind us, captivate us, hurt us, etc, so that God can use His Divine Power to destroy Satan’s power over us and in the end, destroy (not to kill) Satan himself and his demons.
And when Satanic power over our individual lives is destroyed then we will know experientially how powerful God is!

And when God has fully destroyed the powers of Satan and all his demons over Humanity, then all the demons, holy angels and man will bow before God, falling prostrate before God, saying Oh Lord God Almighty, You alone are God!

And when God sends Jesus to un-blind you, God will prove to you to be a merciful, gracious and powerful Being.

Therefore do not struggle in your war against sin, just do your best; and where you fail, God forgives you because He is merciful, gracious and slow to anger (Exodus 34:6-7 6 And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, 7 keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin).

Haya ni mahubiri ambayo hayajajibu swali la msingi la kwa nini mungu mjuzi wa yote, muweza yote, mwenye upendo wa juu karuhusu mabaya yawezekane.

Let me play devil's advocate for a second.

Mungu alimjua shetani na nyendo zake zote kabla shetani hajaumbwa, right? ( the answer must be right, if not, then god does not know everything)

Sasa shetani ambaye kashahukumiwa kuishi na kuwa shetani, kwa mujibu wa maono ya mungu,ambayo hayakosei,angewezaje kuepuka kuwa mbaya?

Na kama hakuweza kuepuka kuwa mbaya, mungu ana haki ya kumhukumu kwa ubaya?

 

[Madame B]

indeed. The laws of physics are perfectly balanced with precise constants, and the sub atomic particles just have the right mass n charges to make life possible. The DNA complexity is way beyond comprehension. Mambo yote haya hayawezi kutokea by coincidence tu, God doesn't play dice!!

Nakukumbuka kila siku

 

[Ishmael]

Why are non theists afraid and scared of death?

 

[nitonye]

Siwezi kuwa namwabudu shetani, mimi sikubali katika habari zote za supernatural powers, kwa hiyo mauzauza yote kwangu ni sawa.

Shetani, mungu, majini, mitume wanaotembea juu ya maji, vibwengo, vinyamkera, popo bawa, wachawi etc.

Yote hayo ni supernatural powers, supposedly.

Mimi nakataa kwamba kuna kitu supernatural. Ingawa nakubali kwamba hatujui yote yaliyo katika natural world, na pengine yale tunayofikiri kuwa ni supernatural leo, tutakuja kuyaelewa na kuyaona natural kesho, kama vile wahenga wetu ambavyo waliona radi kitu cha ajabu na leo watoto wa shule wanafundishwa radi ni umeme tu.

Kwa hiyo kusema kwamba mimi kwa sababu simuamini mungu namuabudu shetani, ni kutyoelewa kwamba mungu na shetani ni pande mbili za safaru ilele ya mauzauza ya supernatura, mmoja ana rep[resent good, mwingine ana represent evil.

Mimi naikataa sarafu nzima kwamba ni hadithi tu.

Sikubali kwamba kuna mungu wala shetani.

In a way, wewe mwanadamu ndiye mungu na/ au shetani, maana unaweza kuumba na kubonoa, kufanya mazuri na mabaya.

Nimeuliza maswali hapo juu sijajibiwa, naona napata mahubiri tu na mapokeo yasiyo na kufikirisha kichwa.

Mungu alisema ni bora ukawa wa moto au baridi kuliko kuwa wa uvuguvugu.

 

[Good Guy]

Nakukumbuka kila siku

haha Madame unankumbuka mimi, ila mm ni kiumbe mdogo 2 hata sistahili ufalme wako 😀 😀!!! I'm delighted to hear that!!

 

[Kiranga]

indeed. The laws of physics are perfectly balanced with precise constants, and the sub atomic particles just have the right mass n charges to make life possible. The DNA complexity is way beyond comprehension. Mambo yote haya hayawezi kutokea by coincidence tu, God doesn't play dice!!

Again, the argument from design/ complexity is a self defeatist one for theists. It will ultimately require god to be crated, and his creator to be created, and his creator to be created...

Ad infinitum, ad absurdum!

 

[Kiranga]

Mungu alisema ni bora ukawa wa moto au baridi kuliko kuwa wa uvuguvugu.

Unajuaje kwamba mungu alisema na si mzee wa kiyahudi tu aliyeandika hadithi zao na kukwambia mungu kasema?

 

[Good Guy]

Again, the argument from design/ complexity is a self defeatist one for theists. It will ultimately require god to be crated, and his creator to be created, and his creator to be created...

Ad infinitum, ad absurdum!

Kiranga, i do love your comments they always are a tasty brain food for me. Indeed an absurd infinity loop is initiated but whats even more absurd is the atheist stories. I'm a man of science and logic as well and trying to accept that the universe created itself from nothing, isn't making much sense either. May i quote this from Hawkings explanations wakijaribu kuelezea how the universe came from nothing "There was nothing to "fluctuate" somehow "Nothing" convulsed and "Something" appeared"!Kwanza not only does this statement violate great deal of laws that says for this to happen Mass and energy must be injected to the system, ila haileti sense kabisa, how can something appear from nothing!! Kuna debate kubwa but i'm not gonna bore you with it, this is the conclusion that i think kinda makes sense to me, mkuu mark me correctly "MAKES SENSE TO ME"!

"...Thus, the "Uncaused Cause" must have personality and consciousness and ergo we arrive at God. Only those things that had a beginning had a cause. Since God does not have a beginning, He did not need a cause. He then is the only one who can be the ultimate beginner – that first uncaused cause. This uncaused cause of all things is who we call God. This makes God and only God necessary since He was needed to begin it all. The universe and everything in it is not necessary outside of serving God's purpose, plan, and causal objective."

 

[Duniaze]

Allah akbar..

 

[Kiranga]

Kiranga, i do love your comments they always are a tasty brain food for me. Indeed an absurd infinity loop is initiated but whats even more absurd is the atheist stories. I'm a man of science and logic as well and trying to accept that the universe created itself from nothing, isn't making much sense either. May i quote this from Hawkings explanations wakijaribu kuelezea how the universe came from nothing "There was nothing to "fluctuate" somehow "Nothing" convulsed and "Something" appeared"!Kwanza not only does this statement violate great deal of laws that says for this to happen Mass and energy must be injected to the system, ila haileti sense kabisa, how can something appear from nothing!! Kuna debate kubwa but i'm not gonna bore you with it, this is the conclusion that i think kinda makes sense to me, mkuu mark me correctly "MAKES SENSE TO ME"!

"...Thus, the "Uncaused Cause" must have personality and consciousness and ergo we arrive at God. Only those things that had a beginning had a cause. Since God does not have a beginning, He did not need a cause. He then is the only one who can be the ultimate beginner – that first uncaused cause. This uncaused cause of all things is who we call God. This makes God and only God necessary since He was needed to begin it all. The universe and everything in it is not necessary outside of serving God's purpose, plan, and causal objective."

The notion that science is limited to the big bang theory is false.

If you approach science with that understanding, and acknowledge that there are things that are still unknown to science, and the big bang theory is just one model among many, and it is possible that there are more accurate models that we do not know yet (example from uniting quantum physics and relativity) there arises no absurdity at all.

If you say that the most complex entity in the universe could exist uncaused, you are necessarily saying anything else in that universe could arise uncaused.

You can't say that a Jumbo jet can arise out of nowhere/ nothing but a simple chair cannot.

This is why the argument from complexity/ design is self defeatist for theists. If god, who is infinitely more complex than human can arise / exist out of nowhere and nothing, without being created, the chances of humans to do the same 9exist out of nowhere/ nothing) is infinitely more so, because they are infinitely less complex than this god.

All of a sudden, the idea gets so absurd, infinitely absurd.

If god can be uncaused, everything else can be uncaused.

If god is infinitely more complex than humans, and uncaused, then humans have an infinitely magnified chance of having appeared out of nowhere/ nothing and uncaused.

 

[Mtangoo]

Hujajibu maswali. Umeyaepa tu.

Mimi naomba majibu wewe unanihubiria, wapi na wapi?

I'm already used to your hoops and jumps, whenever things sour up!
You are so amusing buddy! 🙂

 

[Good Guy]

The notion that science is limited to the big bang theory is false.

If you approach science with that understanding, and acknowledge that there are things that are still unknown to science, and the big bang theory is just one model among many, and it is possible that there are more accurate models that we do not know yet (example from uniting quantum physics and relativity) there arises no absurdity at all.

If you say that the most complex entity in the universe could exist uncaused, you are necessarily saying anything else in that universe could arise uncaused.

You can't say that a Jumbo jet can arise out of nowhere/ nothing but a simple chair cannot.

This is why the argument from complexity/ design is self defeatist for theists. If god, who is infinitely more complex than human can arise / exist out of nowhere and nothing, without being created, the chances of humans to do the same 9exist out of nowhere/ nothing) is infinitely more so, because they are infinitely less complex than this god.

All of a sudden, the idea gets so absurd, infinitely absurd.

If god can be uncaused, everything else can be uncaused.

If god is infinitely more complex than humans, and uncaused, then humans have an infinitely magnified chance of having appeared out of nowhere/ nothing and uncaused.[qoute]

Big Bang is the best model to date that explains the universe. quantum physics and all the string theories mambo jambo as interestingly as it is ni highly unlikely to be true!! I do get what you're saying lad I'm not saying that its not possible for a human exist ila for these amazing set of controlled events to happen there must have been some intelligent being controlling em, since humans didn't take part in any of em then that conclusion of a God existing is reached, afu also mkuu you know the...

Pause for a second, reads Kiranga's signature, sighs and continues, haha mkuu after reading your signature naona there is no way of convincing you otherwise, lets just agree to disagreeing

 

[Kiranga]

Big Bang is the best model to date that explains the universe. quantum physics and all the string theories mambo jambo as interestingly as it is ni highly unlikely to be true!! I do get what you're saying lad I'm not saying that its not possible for a human exist ila for these amazing set of controlled events to happen there must have been some intelligent being controlling em, since humans didn't take part in any of em then that conclusion of a God existing is reached, afu also mkuu you know the....*Pause for a second, reads Kiranga's signature, sighs and continues ** haha mkuu after reading your signature naona there is no way of convincing you otherwise, lets just agree to disagreeing

Tafuta kitabu cha Brian Clegg "Before The Big Bang: The Prehistory of The Universe" uone big bang model ilivyochambuliwa na kukutwa wanting.

Ukishasema complexity inahitaji muumba, ultimately unasema the ultimate complexity, that is god, atahitaji muumba.

Which is absurd, since god is supposed to be the uncaused cause.

Do you see the contradiction in this line of thinking?

 

[Kiranga]

I'm already used to your hoops and jumps, whenever things sour up!
You are so amusing buddy! 🙂

Not as amusing as the idea that a jumbo jet can arise out of thin air, but a simple chair cannot.

Put "god" in place of jumbo jet and "human" in place of chair, and the absurdity you posit is magnified an infinity of infinities.

 

[Mtangoo]

Big Bang is the best model to date that explains the universe.

As usual if this is the best model than creation ex-nihilo then outside the Bible there is no even "a good" model. Here are no brainer questions to ask

1. What banged? (We start with Nothing, remember?)
2. Why it banged?
3. Who/What initiated the bang?

Creation model is simple accurate and True... "In the Beginning God created the heavens and earth....for in six days God created [all things]"

 

[Mtangoo]

Not as amusing as the idea that a jumbo jet can arise out of thin air, but a simple chair cannot.

Put "god" in place of jumbo jet and "human" in place of chair, and the absurdity you posit is magnified an infinity of infinities.

Hahaha! Another dumb example!
Very amusing aisee!

 

[Good Guy]

As usual if this is the best model than creation ex-nihilo then outside the Bible there is no even "a good" model. Here are no brainer questions to ask

1. What banged? (We start with Nothing, remember?)
2. Why it banged?
3. Who/What initiated the bang?

Creation model is simple accurate and True... "In the Beginning God created the heavens and earth....for in six days God created [all things]"

Scientifically speaking, to date this is the best explanation ever proposed that explains the origin and operations of the universe, no wonder Hawking has been given all the honors and its only a while atapewa Nobel price. According to the guy "The universe created itself from nothing!! There was nothing at first then there was something!!", there are series of arguments proposed justifying this but To me this is just a way of saying 'I have no freaking clue what happened'

So my views are, i do believe some parts of his model ila some parts ni absurdity!! God must be a centre figure in all this, Einstein seemed to believe so too!

 

[Mtangoo]

Scientifically speaking,

I guess you forgot that science as we always mean it needs repeatable experiments under controlled evironment.
And let me remind all buddies here that Evolutionists cannot go back billions of years to do any test/observation and according to their religion, no body was there: there was nothing! So everything about it is sheer speculation.

On other hands, we creationists were not there thousands of years ago but we have a trustworthy report from one who was there. Its insane that those who do not believe in Biblical Creation report try to paint themselves "scientific" while painting us who believe the Bible as "ignorants". The truth is, its insane to believe report from Mr. nothing!

CC: Kiranga bona Tiger et al

 

[Eiyer]

No! No! No!
Kuna ushahidi wa kutosha Mungu ameweka ili watu wasiwe na imani ya upofu kama hii.
DNA, Human brain, Galaxies, et al zinatosha kwa mwenye akili timamu kujua kuna Muumba. Biblia imejaa unabii na mambo ya kisayansi ambayo kila mwenye akili timamu atajua hakuna namna isipokuwa Mkono wa Muumba. Na kubwa kuliko yote Mungu mwenyewe alitutembelea katika utu wa Kristo akafa kwa ajili yetu ili tusiende huko ila kuna watu kwa kiburi chao na kujifanya all knowing wataenda tu!

Mkuu,
Huwa najiuliza sana

Hivi inakuwaje mtu anaedai kuwa anafikiri kabisa aseme kuwa Binadamu [achilia mbali dunia na ulimwengu wote na vilivyomo] kuwa alitokea tu

Hii inaingiaje akilini?

Nibora mara elfu nyingi wale wanaokubali kuwa kuna muwekaji wa vyote ila hawajajua ni yupi au ni nani ....!!!!!!

CC: MaxShimba !!!!!!

 

[Eiyer]

If god can be uncaused, everything else can be uncaused.

'Kama binadamu hawezi kupaa angani basi vingine haviwezi kupaa pia"