Kinachoikumba Shule ya Mt. Jude: TRA waliondoa 500,000,000 kwenye akaunti za Shule

[pachanya]

Kwani wewe mkuu! Huu ukimya haukufanyi ujihoji!? Honestly!

Mie tangu Jana nimetoa angalizo waliosoma Jude waje Watueleze what's what!

Kwa ajili ya uzi huu nimejua zaidi ya Kodi.. na diagnosis inabidi iendelee.. kupata fursa ya kujua zaidi sio kitu kibaya.. mie si mtaalam wa Kodi na katu siwezi kuingilia ninachopinga ni kuaminishwa kamba hawa wataalamu wetu (TRA) ni mambumbumbu kiasi kwamba haya yanayojadiliwa hapa na wataalamu wa JF wao hawayajui kabisa.. hilo tuu

Mkuu wataalamu wa TRA sio mbumbumbu kama unavyosema. Tatizo wanafanya kazi wakiwa na shinikizo fulani nyuma.Sasa hawana namna zaidi ya kufanya kibabe.

Kama unakumbuka,mkutano wa wafanyabiashara na Rais malalamiko mengi yalikuwa juu yao. Wanaua biashara sana hawa watu.

Hebu fikiria kampuni kubwa kama Vodacom licha ya kuwa na wataalam wa kodi wa kila Idara,bado wanapigwa fine kila siku na hawa TRA.

Mtu ambaye hajawahi kufanya biashara ya level fulani hawezi kuwajua TRA. Ila amini wanaua sana biashara.

 

[Kamukhm]

Mkuu wataalamu wa TRA sio mbumbumbu kama unavyosema. Tatizo wanafanya kazi wakiwa na shinikizo fulani nyuma.Sasa hawana namna zaidi ya kufanya kibabe.

Kama unakumbuka,mkutano wa wafanyabiashara na Rais malalamiko mengi yalikuwa juu yao. Wanaua biashara sana hawa watu.

Hebu fikiria kampuni kubwa kama Vodacom licha ya kuwa na wataalam wa kodi wa kila Idara,bado wanapigwa fine kila siku na hawa TRA.

Mtu ambaye hajawahi kufanya biashara ya level fulani hawezi kuwajua TRA. Ila amini wanaua sana biashara.

Sema Mkuu mie sina interaction kubwa na TRA ila kutokea kwenye Taaluma Yangu ninachofanya always ni kutoa huduma huku nikishauri juu ya Tax implications..

Serikali inataka Kodi na Mimi nataka mteja wangu alipe kidogo as possible. Its a battle. Na hili ndio healthy relationship Kati ya watoza ushuru na watozwa ushuru..

Kama kuna mlango hukuufunga vema lazima watake kupita huko.. for more kodi.. kitu kimoja ambacho nimejifunza..

Mambo mengi nchini yanafanyika kwa mazoea.. biashara nyingi hazina Tax consultants... Professional Book keepers na hata Kuwa na washauri wataalamu wa compliance kwenye Tasnia husika.

Yote haya yanakuja Kuwa na tax implications. Wakiamua kukaza kabisa ni Institutions chache sana zitasalimika,let alone individuals

 

[stakehigh]

Mkuu taasisi inatumia 1.7bil kwa mwezi mil 500 ikiwa ni mishahara.

Tanzania kupiga kwata la Uhuru kwa siku inatumia mil 995. Ndio maana JPM akaona bora zijenge hospital ya Uhuru Dodoma.

Well, ngoja tuone wakubwa watasemaje.

sasa kwata si linapigwa mara moja kwa mwaka mkuu, huoni difference

 

[stakehigh]

And you think this is enough evidence to back up your repudiation?

I really dont blame most tanzanians, kuwaza kwa kutumia hisia, kutoelewa mfumo wa maisha duniani unaendaje, yote haya hatuwalaumu maaana ndo tunavoishi ila busara na kutumia bongo zaidi ndo suluhisho! so wait for other informations kabla ya kutoa any justification! sehem nyingi tu duniani wanatumia charity kama njia ya kusafisha pesa zao so you better wait watasema nn,

 

[Barbarosa]

Kwanza kuweka pesa mifukoni mwa private entities zenye kuhudumia umma ni swala debatable..inafanyika yes.. is it fair and okay "No".

Taasisi zinazaliwa zinakuwa na hatimaye zinakufa..kuinject mafedha hakuifanyi iendelee ni kuweka kwenye life support tu.. once you plug out its dead.. wanafanya sikatai ila siiungi mkono.. maana ikifa it will open a door for new ventures that are more resilient to form.

Tuachane na hilo.. swala la taasisi hii jaribu kuliangalia kwa upana wake.. akina nani wamesoma ST Jude!? Ni kweli wanatoka kwenye Familia Duni!?

Au ndio ile mnaokotwa 100 kwenye 2000 halafu taasisi inaqualify Kuwa inasomesha watanzania 2000 bure!? Kuna sehemu mbili nimekaa wanataja kwenye tovuti yao huwa wanaenda kufanya "rigorous process" ya kuwapata hao watoto.. I can guarantee you sijui kama TASAF wanajua ambao wangewapoint kwenye uhitaji..

Isije Kuwa (my opinion) ni kagroup la wajanja wachache wanachukua vijana wao wanawapeleka for a fee (substantial) wasome bure..

Wewe ungeambiwa this school inatoa elimu bure kwa budget za Bablo na Haichukui faida that means inawekeza milioni 6 zote kwa mtoto kwa mwaka.. ukiombwa mil 10 one time payment hulipi!? 🙂

Lakini wenzetu huko kwao wanapata tax relief kwa fedha wanazospend kwenye charity work. Sasa inaweza kuwa wanaandika gharama kuuubwa za uendeshaji wa hizi charity huku.. ili kule kwao wapate tax deductions kubwa pia..

Au inawezekana wanapokea na fedha za ndani pia.. zinazoendesha shule hata kama sio ada(basi michango) ila unakuta kwa ishu ya mapato wanakwepa na all the money inakuwa regarded as foreign funds. Hapo sio fair..

Najaribu kujihoji kama layman kwenye haya maswala maana haina mashiko kusema TRA na serikali hawajui cost benefit analysis.. yaani ni wajinga wa kiwango cha mwisho kabisa..

Bado nasisitiza, waliosoma ST Jude na wote walioko Vyuoni wanaolipiwa na ST Jude kwanini hawajafika uzi huu!? Kwanini wamekaa kimya!? Kuna kitu hakiko sawa

Hakuna cha wenzetu, hata kwa Muzungu wanapiga sana, ukisikia foundation yoyote ni wizi tu, Melinda and Hate foundation ni wizi, wanakwepa kodi, Matajiri wote wanakimbilia kwenye foundation ili kukwepa kodi, ...

 

[Barbarosa]

Hii ndio tofauti ya Tz na Nchi za ulimwengu wa kwanza. Kuna kipindi makampuni ya Hispania yalikua na madeni makubwa na kutaka kuporomoka ila serikali hiyo hiyo ikayakopesha na yale malimbikizo ya kodi wakapewa schedule ya kulipa taratibuu kwa miaka zaidi ya 10.

Hapa waliangalia spillover effect..... Yes tunawadai na wakilipa wanafilisika. Je one time payment ya 500M na watu zaidi ya 1000 kupoteza ajira za direct na indirect ipi ni hatari kwa mapato?

Well..... Kuna wanafunzi wanasomeshwa bure je hiyo human capital inayokuja kusaidia taifa linaenda wapi kma shule ikifungwa? Je hamuoni thamani ya wanafunzi ni zaidi ya 500m in the long run?

Sio spain tu hata marekani huwa wanafanya hivi mara kibao tu linapokuja suala lenye maslahi mapana ya uchumi au jamii yao. Sisi hku tumekalia kuangalia sheria tu inasemaje bila kujali context.

Tatizo mnaamini sana Muzungu na ndo maana mnawauzia rasilimali bure, Spain ni corrupt country usitake kujifanya kuitetea, Spain inaishi sababu tu ya EU basi lkn ni corrupt system siajabu bora hata Tanzania, ...

 

[pilipili kichaa]

TRA siku hizi wamekuwa na kazi ya kuchungulia ktk Accounts za watu na kuchukua fedha tena bila maelezo. wamewafanyia hivyo wafanyabiashara wengi sana kiasi kwamba wengi sasa hawaweki tena fedha zao benki kwa kuhofia huu uharamia.

 

[Sophist]

nyingi tu duniani wanatumia charity kama njia ya kusafisha pesa zao so you better wait watasema

This is even worse than personal feeling-led accusations. Please don't theorise, as far as this issue is concerned, we have all the facts. We are not led by generic belief such as "....mara nyingi duniani......."

 

[stakehigh]

This is even worse than personal feeling-led accusations. Please don't theorise, as far as this issue is concerned, we have all the facts. We are not led by generic belief such as "....mara nyingi duniani......."

but still bado ulitakiwa uskilize upande wa serikali pia ndo utoe final say! why did they do this, wameona nn! and at same time i am confident to tell you a huge pc of charitable organisations kiundani sio charitable they have an agenda!

 

[Fundi Mchundo]

but still bado ulitakiwa uskilize upande wa serikali pia ndo utoe final say! why did they do this, wameona nn! and at same time i am confident to tell you a huge pc of charitable organisations kiundani sio charitable they have an agenda!

Watasikilizwaje wakati hawasemi kitu?

Amandla...

 

[Chige]

I really dont blame most tanzanians, kuwaza kwa kutumia hisia, kutoelewa mfumo wa maisha duniani unaendaje, yote haya hatuwalaumu maaana ndo tunavoishi ila busara na kutumia bongo zaidi ndo suluhisho! so wait for other informations kabla ya kutoa any justification! sehem nyingi tu duniani wanatumia charity kama njia ya kusafisha pesa zao so you better wait watasema nn,

Hivi nyie watu mnafahamu maana ya Money Laundering and how it works au huwa mnaongea tu?!

Btw, wakati unafanya insuniate possible money laundering, umesoma hukumu ya mahakama na kuona hao St Jude wanatuhumiwa nini hasa kabla hujaleta hisia zako?!

Unadai Watanzania wanawaza kwa kutumia hisia kumbe ni wewe mwenyewe ndie unawaza kwa kutumia hisia! Hukumu imekuwa uploaded hapa... sasa badala ya kuangalia hukumu inasema nini kuhusu tuhuma za St Jude, wewe unajaribu ku-argue kwa kutumia hisia!!

 

[Sophist]

una uwezekano sio wote waliosomeshwa ni watoto wasio na uwezo tumeshuhudia mikopo ya elimu ya juu ililenga watoto wasio na uwezo lakini wanufaika wakubwa ni wale wenye uwezo inabidi tupate taarifa ya. Upande wa pili kabla ya kukimbilia kuhukumu

Hii siyo!

 

[rodrick alexander]

Hii siyo!

Nakisia tu sababu hatujapata maelezo ya upande wa pili kwanini wamefungia akaunti

 

[Kamukhm]

Hakuna cha wenzetu, hata kwa Muzungu wanapiga sana, ukisikia foundation yoyote ni wizi tu, Melinda and Hate foundation ni wizi, wanakwepa kodi, Matajiri wote wanakimbilia kwenye foundation ili kukwepa kodi, ...

Haya Mataasisi haya yanahitaji mfumo mpya.. TOR zitokee serikalini sio waje na macondition yao... Wao hawaendeshi nchi hii.. wanasaidia.. ukiniuliza mimi msaada haulazimishwi... Ukiona mtu analazimisha kukusaidia ujue ananufaika lazima

 

[Sophist]

but still bado ulitakiwa uskilize upande wa serikali pia ndo utoe final say! why did they do this, wameona nn! and at same time i am confident to tell you a huge pc of charitable organisations kiundani sio charitable they have an agenda!

Tafadhali soma hoja ya @Chige aliyokujibu hapo chini.

 

[Kamukhm]

Kiutaratibu walitakiwa wapate kibali toka kwa kamishina wa TRA wa kodi.
Swali je walipata kama walipata ni sababu zipi TRA wamefungia akaunti zao.
Kuna uwezekano sio wote waliosomeshwa ni watoto wasio na uwezo tumeshuhudia mikopo ya elimu ya juu ililenga watoto wasio na uwezo lakini wanufaika wakubwa ni wale wenye uwezo inabidi tupate taarifa ya. Upande wa pili kabla ya kukimbilia kuhukumu

I can guarantee you.. ukiomba majina ya wahitimu wa ST Jude utakuta majina ya watoto wa vigogo wengi sana... Time will tell... Na huenda hawajitokezi kusema kitu muda wote huu kwa sababu hiyo

 

[Barbarosa]

Haya Mataasisi haya yanahitaji mfumo mpya.. TOR zitokee serikalini sio waje na macondition yao... Wao hawaendeshi nchi hii.. wanasaidia.. ukiniuliza mimi msaada haulazimishwi... Ukiona mtu analazimisha kukusaidia ujue ananufaika lazima

Hapo sasa, umenena kweli tupu, eti mtu anakulazimisha akusaidie wakati mwingine mpaka unawekewa sanctions kama ukikataa msaada, maajabu .

 

[Sophist]

Nakisia tu sababu hatujapata maelezo ya upande wa pili kwanini wamefungia akaunti

Hukumu ya CoA ipo humu ndani isome. Hayo ndio maoni ya upande wa pili.

 

[stakehigh]

Hivi nyie watu mnafahamu maana ya Money Laundering and how it works au huwa mnaongea tu?!

Btw, wakati unafanya insuniate possible money laundering, umesoma hukumu ya mahakama na kuona hao St Jude wanatuhumiwa nini hasa kabla hujaleta hisia zako?!

Unadai Watanzania wanawaza kwa kutumia hisia kumbe ni wewe mwenyewe ndie unawaza kwa kutumia hisia! Hukumu imekuwa uploaded hapa... sasa badala ya kuangalia hukumu inasema nini kuhusu tuhuma za St Jude, wewe unajaribu ku-argue kwa kutumia hisia!!

hahaha dogo unanichukuliaje, naweza mpaka kukusaidia kusafisha pesa zako ziingie nchi yoyote ambayo wamezikataa,
2) nmetoa assumption sjamhukumu mtu, i know charitable organisations znazofanya uhalifu backdoors! i know institutions znazotumia charity kutest dawa zao kama znafanya kazi, niishie hapo!

3) St.Jude ni charitable organisation, serikali kuifungia ndo tunataka kujua kuna nn behind, izi mada za watu wanaongea kwa hisia its total non-sense! wacha serikali ifanye kazi yao majibu yatatoka, the reason i downgraded this thread is because sio kauli yas serikali, wao ndo wliofanya tukio na wao wanatakiwa waseme, izi mada zingine za pemben mtu mwenye akili hawezi kuichukua as a fact unless hauko sawa kichwan! sasa wait for official statement na wacha kufanya decisions za hisia

 

[stakehigh]

Haya Mataasisi haya yanahitaji mfumo mpya.. TOR zitokee serikalini sio waje na macondition yao... Wao hawaendeshi nchi hii.. wanasaidia.. ukiniuliza mimi msaada haulazimishwi... Ukiona mtu analazimisha kukusaidia ujue ananufaika lazima

watu bado hawajui backdoors za charity organisations, ila huezi walaumu