Kiranga alikuwa anasali Kanisa Katoliki. Ilikuwaje akaanza kuamini hakuna Mungu?

[Ausar]

Ahsante sana mkuu kwa kutunza kumbukumbu.

Nilipata miito miwili kwa wakati mmoja, kuchagua kuwa Buddhist Monk milima ya Himalaya, au kwenda Wall St. kupiga dola.

Hapo nilikuwa natafsiri "The Dhammapada" na rafiki yangu Andy Nyerere kwenda Kiswahili.

Nikamuachia mikoba Andy mimi nikakwea pipa.

Mpaka leo sijui kama Andy alimaliza ile kazi, maana nilipotezea mawasiliano na Africa kwa muda fulani.

Kwa waliopenda kujua kwa nini niliamua kuacha kuamini uwepo wa Mungu, nitaweka kitabu kilichonishawishi mara ya mwisho kabisa, kinaitwa "The Philosophy of Religion: An Anthology".

Hususan kuna sehemu wanaongelea "the problem of evil".

Ni kitabu kizuri sana kina arguments nzuri na nyingi za kutetea uwepo wa Mungu na kupinga uwepo wa Mungu, ni falsafa pana sana.

Asee kama una vitabu vya aina hio kwa mfumo wa pdf naomba link

 

[Azarel]

Umeandika kama vile huyo Kiranga kakimbia ushoga kanisani akajiunga na uislam, au ndo kutaka kubalance story? Maana umemuingiza mtu ambae hata hahusiki katika huu mjadala

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Hujaona alichoandika Bin Mwamedi aitwaye Hamisi sio?

Najua nilipaswa kumzungumzia NUR WARSAME

Unamjua?

 

[Kikwajuni One]

Huyu ni DAAIYE ABDULLAH, ni IMAMU Shoga mwenye msikiti wenye waumin wengi zaidi Marekani. Ni Imamu aliyejitangaza rasmi kuwa ni shoga

Unataka kuwafahamu Waislam wengine maarufu waliojitangaza kuwa ni Mashoga?

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Uislamu uko tofauti na dini zote dunia.Ukiacha maamrisho sahihi ya uislamu au ukafuata yaliokatazwa katika uislamu,hata ujiite ni muislamu,Automatic umeshatoka katika uislamu.Kwa hiyo huyo sio MUISLAM.
Nikupe mfano mdogo tu wa vyama vya siasa,ukienda kinyume na vyama hivyo unavyuliwa uanachama.Katika uislamu,unajivua Automatic,bila kikao chochote wala pendekezo lolote.

 

[Malcom Sr]

Mkuu ulianza kutokuamini uwepo wa Mungu ukiwa na umri gani?

Watu wa aina hii huwa waovu na huwa hawachuji baya na zuri..wengi wao huwa walabata na .... Ukiona din unayoabudu huielewi hamia nyingine...lkn sio kusema hakuna Mungu....

 

[Zabron Hamis]

Unaweza kukuta Kiranga ndiye Sospeter Muhongo. Anamajivuno sana yule jamaa

 

[Detox Arigato]

I will look for it and post it here.

I am an atheist.I am not anti-theist.

I can even see the reason for people believing in a God, I can explain these reasons, I even have empathy for believers.

I am also some kind of libertarian, so I am an advocate for freedom of religion as it was established by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights since December 10 1948.

President Kagame of Rwanda a few days ago announced that he will require pastors to have a degree in theology, I voiced my strong opposition to this move, as it infringes on the Human Rights of the people of Rwanda.

Even as I am an atheist, I will defend the freedom of religious people to worship as they want, justvas I will defend the freedom of atheist to reject religion.

The most important thing is freedom of choice and self determination.

I can't be anti-theist. I defend the right of religious people to worship their own God as they please. As long as they are not imposing their faith on me.

I do not acknowledge the existence of God outside of what if abstract thought experiments, particularly and starting with an all knowing, all loving and and all capable God such as the one preached about in the Bible and the Quran.

If atheism is the absence of belief in God. That is me.
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If anti theism is the conscious, deliberate and almost activism opposition to theism. I am not that much of an anti theist. For starters, I do not initiate much in these conversations. An anti theist to me must initiate the agenda, not merely respond to something that is already in the conversation.

If you have noticed, I hardly start anything about God here. In fact I hardly start anything.

I just reply to people and air my views, especially by showing obvious contradictions.

Mostly the cognitive dissonance is so thick people shrug off these obvious contradictions.

intrigued by this. well constructed claims to satisfy a proposition. still though, I think your motive to atheism as explained remains captious to me.
Notwithstanding this however, I see a true apologia of an atheist here.

 

[Detox Arigato]

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Hiki hapa mkuu, mm kiranga alinitumia vitabu tu kadhaa nikasoma ila mpka leo nilishaiva sana

shukran Mkuu...,nitakipitia nione binadamu wenzangu wana mawazo gani tofauti/sawia na yangu.

 

[Mokaze]

Every human spirit recognizes the presence of God, only the mind can deceive someone otherwise due to the pride of knowledge.

The self esteem and egoism a person possess.

 

[Tangantika]

Ahsante sana mkuu kwa kutunza kumbukumbu.

Nilipata miito miwili kwa wakati mmoja, kuchagua kuwa Buddhist Monk milima ya Himalaya, au kwenda Wall St. kupiga dola.

Hapo nilikuwa natafsiri "The Dhammapada" na rafiki yangu Andy Nyerere kwenda Kiswahili.

Nikamuachia mikoba Andy mimi nikakwea pipa.

Mpaka leo sijui kama Andy alimaliza ile kazi, maana nilipotezea mawasiliano na Africa kwa muda fulani.

Kwa waliopenda kujua kwa nini niliamua kuacha kuamini uwepo wa Mungu, nitaweka kitabu kilichonishawishi mara ya mwisho kabisa, kinaitwa "The Philosophy of Religion: An Anthology".

Hususan kuna sehemu wanaongelea "the problem of evil".

Ni kitabu kizuri sana kina arguments nzuri na nyingi za kutetea uwepo wa Mungu na kupinga uwepo wa Mungu, ni falsafa pana sana.

Umeweza kufikia hatua ya " the no mind" become self.
Krishna muti, Alan wat na Osho wameeleza sana.
Ila mi naogopa hio hatua ya the no mind au delete the mind and become self.
Kufuta uchafu wote tuliopandikizwa na kubaki mwenyewe, je jambo hilo ni zuri, je halina athari ya kiakili, je wewe unakuwa mtu mwingine kabisa au unakuwa una ishi ktk duality.

 

[Inside10]

Asilimia90 ya atheists ni wakatoliki

Obviously kwasababu Ni wengi na wakale zaidi ulitarajia atheists atoke mlima wa Moto?

 

[chazachaza]

Kilanga vs afande sele.nani zaidi

 

[chazachaza]

Ahsante sana mkuu kwa kutunza kumbukumbu.

Nilipata miito miwili kwa wakati mmoja, kuchagua kuwa Buddhist Monk milima ya Himalaya, au kwenda Wall St. kupiga dola.

Hapo nilikuwa natafsiri "The Dhammapada" na rafiki yangu Andy Nyerere kwenda Kiswahili.

Nikamuachia mikoba Andy mimi nikakwea pipa.

Mpaka leo sijui kama Andy alimaliza ile kazi, maana nilipotezea mawasiliano na Africa kwa muda fulani.

Kwa waliopenda kujua kwa nini niliamua kuacha kuamini uwepo wa Mungu, nitaweka kitabu kilichonishawishi mara ya mwisho kabisa, kinaitwa "The Philosophy of Religion: An Anthology".

Hususan kuna sehemu wanaongelea "the problem of evil".

Ni kitabu kizuri sana kina arguments nzuri na nyingi za kutetea uwepo wa Mungu na kupinga uwepo wa Mungu, ni falsafa pana sana.

Kuna kitu inaitwa cultural anthropology.Ni somo gumu lkn lina madini adimu.ulishawahi kupitapita humu!?

 

[chazachaza]

I will look for it and post it here.

I am an atheist.I am not anti-theist.

I can even see the reason for people believing in a God, I can explain these reasons, I even have empathy for believers.

I am also some kind of libertarian, so I am an advocate for freedom of religion as it was established by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights since December 10 1948.

President Kagame of Rwanda a few days ago announced that he will require pastors to have a degree in theology, I voiced my strong opposition to this move, as it infringes on the Human Rights of the people of Rwanda.

Even as I am an atheist, I will defend the freedom of religious people to worship as they want, justvas I will defend the freedom of atheist to reject religion.

The most important thing is freedom of choice and self determination.

I can't be anti-theist. I defend the right of religious people to worship their own God as they please. As long as they are not imposing their faith on me.

I do not acknowledge the existence of God outside of what if abstract thought experiments, particularly and starting with an all knowing, all loving and and all capable God such as the one preached about in the Bible and the Quran.

If atheism is the absence of belief in God. That is me.
.
If anti theism is the conscious, deliberate and almost activism opposition to theism. I am not that much of an anti theist. For starters, I do not initiate much in these conversations. An anti theist to me must initiate the agenda, not merely respond to something that is already in the conversation.

If you have noticed, I hardly start anything about God here. In fact I hardly start anything.

I just reply to people and air my views, especially by showing obvious contradictions.

Mostly the cognitive dissonance is so thick people shrug off these obvious contradictions.

kilanga,nahisi kuwa ww ,ni padri.

 

[Pendaelli]

Ni either ni Wakatoliki au Wamepita Shule za Kikatoliki au zilizoanzishwa kwa mpango wa Katoliki.
Sababu kuu kunatolewa elimu high class kichwa chako kinafunguka ni wewe sasa kuendelea kuamini au kutokuamini tena.

Kwenye Falsafa kwa wanaosoma Upadri kuna Module mnafundishwa kupinga uwepo wa Mungu. Utapigwa hoja na fact mabalimbali kutoka kwa wanafalsafa na wanasayansi wa kale wanaopinga uwepo wa Mungu...Kisha utaletewa hoja pia za wanafalsafa wa Kikatoliki wanaoelezea uwepo wa Mungu kama Thomas Aquinas,Paulo,Ignas,Franscis, etc.
Kazi inabaki kwako kuamini au kutokuamini [emoji3577]

Mi naona wenginwa mapadre hata hawaamini Bali wapo kiugizaji.

Kuna mmoja niliwahi kumsikia akisema Kama kusoma amesoma Sana tena Sana na Ni kweli amesoma !
Yeye alisema kule kusema Kuna Moto was milele Ni fix, kule kusema Kuna mwisho wa dunia Ni fix.
Akasema pia hakuna sehemu kuliko na mbinguni au peponi , Bali mbinguni Ni Hali na sio mahali.

Na kwamba kitu kitakachomkuta roho ya mtu muovu Ni kutokumuona Mungu milele , hio ndio adhabu kwa wenye dhambi, na wema mbingu yao Ni kumuona Mungu tu.
Hayo alisema nje ya mahubiri ya kanisani, akiwa kanisani anazungumza kinyume!

 

[Kiranga]

Kuna kitu inaitwa cultural anthropology.Ni somo gumu lkn lina madini adimu.ulishawahi kupitapita humu!?

Ukisoma cultural anthropology na ethnology, ukaangalia na history of the writing of the Bible kwa mfano, kutoka watu kama Dr. James Kugel, unaweza kuelewa vizuri kwamba Biblia si kitabu cha Mungu, ni kitabu cha Wayahudi waliokuwa wanajaribu kuelezea mwanzo wa taifa lao.

Na kwa kweli, kitabu cha Mwanzo hakielezei historia ya kuumbwa mtu wa kwanza Adam, kinaelezea historia ya mwanzo wa taifa la/ Utamaduni wa Wayahudi.

Sawasawa na sisi tunavyoweza kuandika historia na ngano hivyo hivyo kuhusu vyanzo vya makabila yetu.

Na hapo ndipo point ya hii thread inavyokuja.

Kuna watu waliwahi kuandika na kutuzidi kutangaza sehemu zao, wakazifanya ziwe takatifu.

Zamani Waarabu wa Arabia walikuwa wanasali kwa kuelekea Jerusalem, wakaona hu ujinga, tuache kuabudu Jerusalem, tuanze kusali kuelekea kwetu Mecca.

Sasa, huku Africa wengi bado tunaamini kwamba hizisehemu zina utakatifu wa Mungu, wakati hizi ni hadithi za kuwekwa na watu tu katika kutafuta majibu ya maswali magumu.

Kuna hiki kitabu nakipenda sana kimeongelea mengi sana.

Kinaitwa "How To Read The Bible: A Guide To Scripture Then and Now", kinagusa history of the Bible, cultural anthropology na theology.

How to Read the Bible | James Kugel

In How to Read the Bible, Harvard professor James Kugel leads the reader chapter by chapter through the "quiet revolution" of recent biblical scholarship, showing time and again how radically the interpretations of today's researchers differ from what people have always thought. The story of...

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How to Read the Bible​

A Guide to Scripture, Then and Now​

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Scholars from different fields have joined forces to reexamine every aspect of the Hebrew Bible. Their research, carried out in universities and seminaries in Europe and America, has revolutionized our understanding of almost every chapter and verse. But have they killed the Bible in the process?

In How to Read the Bible, Harvard professor James Kugel leads the reader chapter by chapter through the “quiet revolution” of recent biblical scholarship, showing time and again how radically the interpretations of today’s researchers differ from what people have always thought. The story of Adam and Eve, it turns out, was not originally about the “Fall of Man,” but about the move from a primitive, hunter-gatherer society to a settled, agricultural one. As for the stories of Cain and Abel, Abraham and Sarah, and Jacob and Esau, these narratives were not, at their origin, about individual people at all but, rather, explanations of some feature of Israelite society as it existed centuries after these figures were said to have lived. Dinah was never raped — her story was created by an editor to solve a certain problem in Genesis. In the earliest version of the Exodus story, Moses probably did not divide the Red Sea in half; instead, the Egyptians perished in a storm at sea. Whatever the original Ten Commandments might have been, scholars are quite sure they were different from the ones we have today. What’s more, the people long supposed to have written various books of the Bible were not, in the current consensus, their real authors: David did not write the Psalms, Solomon did not write Proverbs or Ecclesiastes; indeed, there is scarcely a book in the Bible that is not the product of different, anonymous authors and editors working in different periods.

Such findings pose a serious problem for adherents of traditional, Bible-based faiths. Hiding from the discoveries of modern scholars seems dishonest, but accepting them means undermining much of the Bible’s reliability and authority as the word of God. What to do? In his search for a solution, Kugel leads the reader back to a group of ancient biblical interpreters who flourished at the end of the biblical period. Far from naïve, these interpreters consciously set out to depart from the original meaning of the Bible’s various stories, laws, and prophecies — and they, Kugel argues, hold the key to solving the dilemma of reading the Bible today.

How to Read the Bible is, quite simply, the best, most original book about the Bible in decades. It offers an unflinching, insider’s look at the work of today’s scholars, together with a sustained consideration of what the Bible was for most of its history — before the rise of modern scholarship. Readable, clear, often funny but deeply serious in its purpose, this is a book for Christians and Jews, believers and secularists alike. It offers nothing less than a whole new way of thinking about sacred Scripture.

 

[911]

I will look for it and post it here.

I am an atheist.I am not anti-theist.

I can even see the reason for people believing in a God, I can explain these reasons, I even have empathy for believers.

I am also some kind of libertarian, so I am an advocate for freedom of religion as it was established by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights since December 10 1948.

President Kagame of Rwanda a few days ago announced that he will require pastors to have a degree in theology, I voiced my strong opposition to this move, as it infringes on the Human Rights of the people of Rwanda.

Even as I am an atheist, I will defend the freedom of religious people to worship as they want, justvas I will defend the freedom of atheist to reject religion.

The most important thing is freedom of choice and self determination.

I can't be anti-theist. I defend the right of religious people to worship their own God as they please. As long as they are not imposing their faith on me.

I do not acknowledge the existence of God outside of what if abstract thought experiments, particularly and starting with an all knowing, all loving and and all capable God such as the one preached about in the Bible and the Quran.

If atheism is the absence of belief in God. That is me.
.
If anti theism is the conscious, deliberate and almost activism opposition to theism. I am not that much of an anti theist. For starters, I do not initiate much in these conversations. An anti theist to me must initiate the agenda, not merely respond to something that is already in the conversation.

If you have noticed, I hardly start anything about God here. In fact I hardly start anything.

I just reply to people and air my views, especially by showing obvious contradictions.

Mostly the cognitive dissonance is so thick people shrug off these obvious contradictions.

 

[Kiranga]

kilanga,nahisi kuwa ww ,ni padri.

I will take that as a compliment.

 

[Akili 2]

Akili za Kiranga hazichunguziki mkuu, huyu ni miongoni mwa watu wenye uelewa na uwezo mkubwa sana wa kuchambua na kuelezea mambo kwa marefu na mapana, huku yote yakiwa kwa ufasaha.

Umemaliza kila kitu ,, wenye akili ndogo ndiyo Bado wanaendelea kuamini kuwa Kuna mungu na upumbavu mwingine

 

[Kiranga]

Mkuu 911 shukurani sana kwa kuweka kitabu hapa kwenye post namba 59.

Mimi sehemu iliyonifungua macho sana miaka kama 25 iliyopita ni hapo part 3 "The Problem of Evil" kuanzia page 143.

Sikumbuki ilikuwa ni edition gani ya kitabu hiki, lakini hiyo sehemu ilinifungua macho vizuri sana.

 

[MTAZAMO]

Mara nyingi nimekuwa nikiwaza huyu member hapa JF atakuwa alikutana na incident iliyomfanya akamchukia Mungu.

Hapa anaeleza namna alivyokuwa anasali na Nyerere pale St Peters




My take, huyu anahitaji kuombewa ili amrudie muumba wake.
Mshana Jr

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