Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

[To yeye]

So utabaki na mavuzi hivyo hivyo mkuu.

Coz hayanipi shida mkuu

 

[Bome-e]

Upunguani unao wewe. Russian warship go f*ck yourself hatimaye ilikuwa ndoto ya kweli. Kama meli imeungua yenyewe Russia wamefanya retaliation ya nini?

Wapi uliwahi sikia meli imepata ajari ya moto kisha wamiliki wa meli wameenda shambulia kiwanda cha kukarabati makombora ya kuzamisha meli? Mnajifanya hamna akili sio. Russia imeshambulia kiwanda cha kurekebisha hayo makombora ya Neptune mjini Kyiv kama retaliation. Makombora ndiyo yametuma dhoruba?View attachment 2189177

Idiot kabisa,ndio maana nimekwambia muwe mnaangalia kwanza vyanzo vya habari zenu na kuzihakiki kabla ya kukurupuka kuleta humu jamvin,idiots!
Juzi Russia ilitoa onto kuwa itaretaliate baada ya Ukraine kutarget civillians on Russian Soil!Tena Russia ikasema itashambulia Kyeiv!Tena ikasema Ukraine decision makers hawajawahi kuwa targets ya Russia,ila Sasa majengo Yao yatakuwa targets mjini Kyeiv kama Ukraine itaendelea kutarget Russian territory!

near Kyiv with missiles overnight

Moscow says it will respond to any Ukrainian attacks on Russian territory by striking Kyiv with more missiles.

The "number and scale" of attacks will go up if its own settlements become targets, the ministry said.

The warning came as Russia announced a missile strike on a military factory near Kyiv, which it claimed was in response to a Ukrainian helicopter attack on a Russian village.

Ukraine denies it carried out the attack.


"Tonight, sea-based high precision long-range "Kalibr" missiles hit a military facility in the outskirts of Kyiv," Russian defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said.

The strike targeted Ukraine's Vizar military facility that was producing and repairing anti-aircraft and anti-ship missile systems, Mr Konashenkov added, warning that Russia would intensify missile attacks on Kyiv if Ukraine continued what he described as attacks on Russian land.

He said: "The number and scale of missile strikes against objects in Kyiv will increase in response to the commission of any attacks of a terrorist nature or sabotage on Russian territory by the Kyiv nationalist regime."

Andrei Sizov, a 47-year-old owner of a wood workshop near the factory, told the AFP news agency that the blasts came overnight.

"Around 1:30am, my security guard called me because there was an air strike," he said.

"There were five hits. My employee was in the office and got thrown off his feet by the blast."

He also said he believed Russia was taking revenge for the sinking of the Moskva warship, which Ukraine claims it hit with Neptune missiles.

Workers clear through rubble following a Russian missile strike on the Vizar military factory near Kyiv

On Thursday Russian officials accused Ukraine of sending two helicopters 10km (6 miles) into Russia's Bryansk region, bombing a residential building in the village of Klimovo and injuring eight people.

Kyiv denies the attack and accused Russia of staging the incident to stir up "anti-Ukrainian hysteria".

The BBC has not been able to verify the claims

 

[T14 Armata]

Kwa hiyo ant ship za magaidi huwa hazionekani kwenye rada sio?

Mkuu utafananishaje drone na sataraiti kwani satalaiti na yenyewe ina tambuliwa na rada au ina dunguliwa?
Kitendo cha rada kushindwa kuona drone mpaka inakaa zaidi ya dakika 5 juu ya meli zako hizo rada ndio zitaweza kuona kombora linalo tembea kasi?

Mkuu kubali ukatae haya mameli yanatisha tu kwa kuyaangalia lakini uwezo wa kuyalinda huwa ni mdogo mno.

Hata Urusi tangu kumalizika kwa vita ya dunia haijawahi kupoteza meli vitani tofauti na kwenye hii vita na hii meli iliyo zamishwa imesha shiriki vita nyingi na ilikuwa inapewa sifa kama unavyo zipa sifa meli za kimarekani na haikuzamishwa imekuja kuzamiswa juzi, kwa maana hiyo ilikuwa haijakutana na nchi yenye makombora mazuri tu .
Kwa hiyo hata kwa Marekani ni bado tu haijakutana na nchi nyenye uwezo wa kuzishambulia hizo meli utashangaa.

Hata mifumo Ulinzi ya kiMarekani mlikuwaga mnaipamba hivi hivi lakini imekuja kujulikakana ya kwamba ni takataka kama takataka nyingine baada ya waasi wa kiuthi kuiumbua ya kwamba ni machujio.

Hao Iran walikuwa vitani na Marekani? Radar hawawashi tu ovyo ovyo, radar zina muda wa kuwa activated zikiwa kwenye engagement. Japan iliposhambulia Pearl harbor iliharibu silaha za Marekani kwa kuwa hawakuwa kwenye state of war kwahiyo haikutarajiwa mashambulizi, baada ya hapo mpaka vita inaisha Japan haikuwahi peleka pua Marekani tena.

Pale Ukraine wanajulikana wako vitani na Russia kwahiyo meli ya Russia yeyote lazima iwe active kuzuia mashambulizi. Kutegemea huruma kwamba tutasema hata Marekani ilipigwa picha au kusingizia dhoruba haitasaidia kijeshi.

Wewe umeona Iran tu, ila sio hiyo pekee, North Korea, China na Russia mara kibao wanakuja kwenye distance ya engagement na USN ships na wanapitisha ndege picha zinapigwa.

 

[Tsh]

Mpaka sasa kuna majibu mawili kwamba Neptune ndio ilitumika kupiga meli, na wamepiga mawili, haya tuelezeeni Neptune zinafanya vipi kazi?

Je zilishawahi kutumika kwenye OP yeyote?

Meli imezama ni hasara kwa Urusi, haya mambo mengine kuwa ilikuwaje hayana maana tena.

 

[Frank Wanjiru]

Je hii ni spirit ya Russian au Putin. Umejaribu kutafakari Levrov kawa madarakani kwa muda gani? Na Medved ambaye ni just 56. Unadhani Soviet ilivyodondoka walikubali.?. Ukraine wangekuwa smart wangekubali yaishe mapema wajipange shida ni hao wanazi waliona wapambane tu.

Hivi hizi akili mmerithi wapi? Yaani mtu akivamie nyumbani kwako akugongee mkeo na atake kukua wewe mwenyewe halafu jirani yako anakupa msaada na mbinu ya kukabiliana nae then ugome ujisalimishe,hizi ni akili au matope?

 

[Frank Wanjiru]

Ila Tukubali tukakatae Warusi Wana akili flani tofauti sana nchi hii inaandamwa for Years ili isambaratishwe Infact Marekani inawaza sana kuhusu Urusi kuliko Hata China...IMEKUA shida sana kuisambaratisha Urusi...

Hii Urusi iliyobaki scrapers? Urusi tishio ilishasambaratishwa na Marekani, nayo ni USSR

 

[Frank Wanjiru]

Urusi yenyewe ilichanguwa kushinda WW2 kwa Lend Lease program ambayo ilipitishwa na Marekani. Silaha, ammunition na spares ilipewa nyingine kwa msaada wa Marekani.

Bado Russia alijua Ukraine watapewa silaha na alisema atashambulia watakaompa silaha. Ashambulie Poland na UK wafanye kutumia Article 5 ya NATO

 

[Post M-alone]

Sasa hivi wanafikira kutumia tactical nuclear weapons. Maana washamaliza convectional weapons zote kwenye maghala ikiwemo supersonic missile lakini ndio wanazidi kuumizwa.View attachment 2189157

Russia haiwezi tumia nuclear kwa nchi iliyojifia kama Ukraine.

Ukraine imejifia, Russia wana calculation za hatari.

Wamewachezea akili wanaenda Kyiv, jeshi la Ukraine lote likapeleka nguvu zote huko, halafu jamaa wakarudi East kumalizana na majimbo yanayotaka kujitenga, Ukraine wamejiona ni wajinga kwa chenga waliyopigwa.

Russia wapo smart mno😀

Halafu Russia wakitaka kuipiga Kyiv ni usiku mmoja, Russia hajataka bado kutawala anga la Ukraine.

Russia ipo inafanya ku dump silaha zilizopitwa na wakati hapo Ukraine.

 

[mtume wawatu]

Umeweka hapa hoja nzito Sana...Lengo la kupeana habari limepotea....ni mwendo wa kubishana na matusi kwa kwenda mbele...Ndiyo hulka yetu Watanzania na hasa wale wa kizazi kipya...ujuaji mwingi na ujanja lmwingi akini substance sifuri...

Mimi binafsi sina upande ila masuala ya uvamizi wa nchi yoyote lazima ukemewe na kupingwa vikali. Leo saud arabia inashambulia yemen hakuna anae kemea. Zaid ya watu laki 3 washafariki. Uvamizi wa marekani ulisababisha vifo vya watu zaidi ya milion 1 nusu wakiwa watoto ulimwengu umekaa kimya. Marekani uingereza na washirika wao wana mengi ya kujibu.

 

[wa kupuliza]

Coz hayanipi shida mkuu

Sawa mkuu,all the best.

 

[lee Vladimir cleef]

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Hii picha aione Frank WANJIRU alisema meli za Urusi haziko guided ila za USA ziko guided,nikwamwambia vita Ina mambo mengi sana,USS Cole ilipigwa Yemen na magaidi ila bahati walipambana kuzima moto.
Kitu nilichogundua Hawa wanaojiita pro west Huwa hawana data.
Hawapendi kujisomea vitu.wao wanategemea Hollywood movies TU.

 

[Bome-e]

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Bado unaconfirm nilichokisema,mpaka Sasa hakuna mwenye uhakika upande upi unasema ukweli!Atleast Russia ana back up ya video ya incident!

 

[Tsh]

Russia haiwezi tumia nuclear kwa nchi iliyojifia kama Ukraine.

Ukraine imejifia, Russia wana calculation za hatari.

Wamewachezea akili wanaenda Kyiv, jeshi la Ukraine lote likapeleka nguvu zote huko, halafu jamaa wakarudi East kumalizana na majimbo yanayotaka kujitenga, Ukraine wamejiona ni wajinga kwa chenga waliyopigwa.

Russia wapo smart mno😀

Halafu Russia wakitaka kuipiga Kyiv ni usiku mmoja, Russia hajataka bado kutawala anga la Ukraine.

Russia ipo inafanya ku dump silaha zilizopitwa na wakati hapo Ukraine.

Aisee

 

[President of China]

British special forces resumed training of the Ukrainian military in Kyiv and its environs

The Times writes about this with reference to Ukrainian officers.

 

[MTZ 255Dar]

Mimi ninachojiuliza, mbona taarifa maalumu haipo?

1-Imepigwa muda gani?
2-Imepigwa na kombora aina ipi?
3-Imepigwa na kombora ngapi?
4-Imepigwa na kombora kutoka ardhini, baharini au angani?
5-Baada ya kupigwa ilichukua muda gani mpaka meli kuzama?

6-Je hilo kombora lililotumika lilisshawahi kutumika wapi?
8-Hio meli ilipigwa ubavuni, chini au juu.

Hayo maelezo kama hakuna, hizo ni ngonjera tu.

Wewe kutokuwa na Hizo taarifa unazozihitaji haimaanishi taarifa Hizo hazipo. Kutokufuatilia habari kwako hakumaanishi taarifa hazipo Bali ni uzembe wako. Ngoja nikujibu maswali machache,mengine ukasome;

1.Imepigwa mda gani?
Kafuatilie habari,mda wa tukio umetajwa kwenye Vyombo vya habari japo Urusi inakanusha.

2.Imepigwa na Kombora Aina ipi?
Meli imepigwa na Kombora Aina ya NEPTUNE ANTI-SHIP MISSILES. Hii ni Short range Missile(15Km) ambayo ilitengenezwa nchini Ukraine,ilifanyiwa Final Test mwaka 2021 na kuanza kutumika rasmi.

3.Imepigwa na Kombora Ngapi?
Swali Hilo halina jibu bayana. Kwa mjibu wa Ukraine,Walituma Kwanza Drones ya T2B ili kuzi-Diverge Radar Systems za Meli hiyo harafu baadae wakafyatua Makombora 2 ya NEPTUNE na Meli ikaanza kuwaka Moto. Kwahiyo haijulikani Kama Makombora yote 2 yali-hit target au ni moja tu lili-hit target.

4.Imepigwa na Kombora kutoka Ardhini,Baharini au angani?
NEPTUNE MISSILES Ni SURFACE-TO-SURFACE MISSILE. Kwahiyo lilirushwa kutoka Ardhini nchi kavu kwenda Majini.

5.Ilichukua mda gani Kuzama?
Kuhusu Mda wa Kuzama nadhani hili Swali waulizwe Russia maana sio kazi ya Mshambuliaji(Ukraine) kuanza kurecord mda ambao Meli itazama,Mpigaji kazi yake Ni Kufyatua Kombora na kuhakikisha Kombora Lime-HIT target na kusepa,hayo ya mda wa Kuzama Ni kazi ya Wenye Chombo Kurecord.

6.Je,Hilo Kombora liliwahi kutumika wapi?
Kama unamaanisha kwenye LIVE BATTLEFIELD halikuwahi kutumika zaidi ya mazoezini. Hii Ni kwasababu Ukraine haikuwahi kupigana Vita vikubwa namna hii,hata hivyo Kombora Hilo sio la zamani Sana Ni Jipya,Limeingia Service mwaka 2021 tu baada ya Kufanyiwa Final Test mwaka Jana April.

7.Ilipigwa Ubavuni,Chini au Juu?
Meli hiyo ilipigwa Juu kwenye Canon ambapo kwa Meli za Kivita za Urusi,Ammunitions zinakuwa karibu na Canon,ndio maana Shambulozi moja linasababisha hata zile Ammunitions za Meli zianze kulipuka na kusababisha Meli Kuzama haraka.

 

[HIMARS]

Putin analo....
[emoji779]️A new front could be opened very soon: the United States is ready to respond to Ukraine's request for anti-ship missiles and other coastal defense weapons.
The requested weapons could be added to the previously announced $800 million aid package, the New York Times reported.
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Wanajisahaulisha kuwa tushadonoa meli pendwa

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[HIMARS]

Samahani mkongwe, kama hautojali. Unaweza kuweka hapa na hasara alizozipata Ukraine mpaka sasa kutokana na hii operesheni ya Mrusi?

Weka wewe sisi ya Ukraine hayatuhusu, sisi twaangazia ya Urusi kupigwa

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[President of China]

Sisi kama warusi, tumeamua siku hizi tatu za kufa na kukufuka kwa Yesu tutulie kidogo ili jumapili tufufuke naye na kazi iendelee.

 

[HIMARS]

Supapawa wa mchongo anaanza kulialiaView attachment 2189153

Silaha zishaenda
11 helicopters
Howitzer cannons
Switchable blade drones 300

Urusi asubirie maumivu

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[HIMARS]

Urusi yenyewe ilichangiwa kushinda WW2 kwa Lend Lease program ambayo ilipitishwa na Marekani. Silaha, ammunition na spares ilipewa nyingine kwa msaada wa Marekani.

Bado Russia alijua Ukraine watapewa silaha na alisema atashambulia watakaompa silaha. Ashambulie Poland na UK wafanye kutumia Article 5 ya NATO

Putin lazima atatumia Nukes kwenye hii VITA

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