Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

[mbaghato chaka]

Unakosoa mwenzio hajui kuandika muda huo nawew ndo tatizo ulilonalo

 

[Mwanamkiwi]

Kwahio unataka kuniambia kulikua na nchi inayoitwa Ukraine?? Kwakweli angalia tena history vizuri kaka

Ndiyo, ninataka kukuambia hiyo.
Kuna historia ndefu iliyoanza zaidi ya miaka 1000 iliyopita. Miaka 700 maeneo yake yaligawiwa kati ya Poland-Lithuania na Urusi, baadaye kati ya Austria na Urusi.
Jamhuri ya Watu wa Ukraine iliundwa mwaka 1917. Iliona mapinduzi ikawa Jamhuri ya Kisovyeti ya Kijamii ya Kiukraine. Mwaka 1922 ikajiunga pamoja na Urusi, Belarus na Kaukazia katika Umoja wa Kisovyeti kama nchi mwanachama katika shirikisho . Mwaka 1991 Viongozi wa Urusi na Ukraine waliamua pamoja kuondoka katika Umoja wa Kisovyeti ili kila nchi iendelee peke yake.

 

[Jesus Mlokozi]

🔥🔥🔥Air raid🔥🔥🔥

 

[Katunge World Wide]

Hili nakubali keazaidi ya 70% GERMAN wapo na hali mbaya mno KIUCHUMI hili sio kupitia media tuuu
Hili watu wanaofanya kazi huko wanathibitisha mpaka kupigwa kalamu nyekundu maofisini
Kwapale EU wahanga wapo wengi ila wahanga wakubwa nihawa GER FRANCE nandio maana hawaishi simu simu kwa PUT IN
Jamaa wamekamatika vibaya sana sana sanaa nandio maana licha yavikwazo zaifi ya 7000 bado wanataka waongeze kuona athari hasi zaidi
Kiufupi RUSSIA anaumia sana ila EU nashost zake wanaumia zaidi maana hawakutegemea kama vikwazo hv walivyoeka kwamba RUSSIA angekuepo mpaka muda huu
Hivi VIKWAZO kama linaekewa taifa jengine hpo EU fasta linakua taifa lahovyo mnooo
RUSSIA kunakitu kaionyesha DUNIA

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[Mwanamkiwi]

Waonekana hujui lolote wewe, wanaotengeneza bomu wenyewe wanasema lina uwezo mkubwa zaidi wa kupenya na pia uwezo mkubwa zaidi wa kusababisha uharibifu ukilinganisha na bomu mfano wake ktk uzito ila spidi tofauti...

Yaonekana hufahamu hata effect ya Mass*Velocity, ndio tatizo la kujadiliana maswala ya silaha na watu waliosoma ungwini (HGL)

Kwa hiyo tuache maelezo ya watengeneza silaha tuchukue porojo zako wewe?!

Akili zingine bwana!

Ukubwa wa mdomo wako unapita mara nyingi uelewa wako. Je katika nishati ya mlipuko wa 2 KT tunajadili bomu ya uzito gani?? Ndiyo nguvu yake unaongezeka kidogo wakati wa kugonga kitu kwa kasi kubwa, lakini nishati hii haina maana ukilinganisha na nishati ya mlipuko wa 2 KT.
Ukiwa na ingine, acha maneno, lete chanzo. na lete tarakimu.

 

[The Sunk Cost Fallacy]

SI wampe Ukraine.... Mambo yasiwe mengi . .

Wanaandaa mazingira 👇

 

[ras jeff kapita]

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🔥🔥🔥In the Kharkiv region, an ideological banderist, Canadian citizen and foreign legion mercenary Pavel Karbovnik was destroyed by a Russian sniper🔥🔥🔥

Amekuwa liquidated hii lugha Safi sana

 

[mbaghato chaka]

ndugu una kweli dhana za kitoto vile?? Yale unayotaja ni silaha za nyuklia. Hujui kweli kwamba hatazitumia?? Maana anajua hana njia za kusimamisha majibu. Na pia hana nia ya kurithi ardhi inayojaa mnururisho hata kuwa hatari kwa maeneo ya Urusi ??
Unaamini kweli hadithi hizi kwamba Ukraine inalazimisha wananchi wake kubaki kama ngao? Wanawazuia namna gani?
Halafu acha mambo hayo ya "hypersonic". Huelewi maana yake? Kama roketi inaitwa hypersonic, haina maana kwamba inaleta uharibifu mkubwa kuliko roketi ya subsonic. Bomu la 2 KT ni bomu la 2 KT, kama unaifikisha kwa hypersonic au kwa tolori. "Hypersonic" inahusu tu kasi ya chombo.

Kuna swali umeuliza kuwa anaamin kuwa ukrain inalazimisha wananchi wake kuwatumia km ngao, swali kwako je, hujui km ukrain ilikataza wanaume kukimbia nje ya kuanzia miaka 18-60?

 

[lee Vladimir cleef]

Swali lako zuri, sijuwi how much uko detailed kwenye hizi issue za nje...

Kama uko deep utakubaliana na mie kua Western Empires is Falling, tena wanadondoka kwa speed ya 5G.

Western wamepunic tena sana, na njia ya pekee ya kumdhibiti Russia katika kulinda Hegemony yao labda ni kwa kuingia Third World War wapigane Nukes kieleweke [emoji23]

Lile jaribio la wao kuiporomosha Russia kiuchumi hivo kivita lime'fail pakubwa mno.

Sio maneno yangu bali maneno ya wachambuzi wasioshikana upande wowote wanakueleza hivi kua "US na team yake walitegemea kuuvunja vunja uchumi wa Russia, hivo kuleta punic kwa wananchi... then kuzuke chaos washinikize kumuondoa Putin madarakani, then katika Transition ya Power waweze kueka kiongozi wanaemtaka kama walivyofanya kwa Yeltisn miaka hiyo"

Katika kitu ambacho hawakukitarajia ni hiyo counter attack waliyopewa na Russia, Russia imeweza kuresist Economical Shock na wataenda kua Strong zaidi ya walivyo.

Pia naweza kataa maneno yako kua Russia hakuwa weak kuingia kwenye mtego wao... Kwa wenye uelewa juu ya hili jambo na wanao litizama nje ya kile kilichopo Ukraine tunaamink kua Russia na team yake nyuma ya Pazia hapa na maana ya (China na India hasa hasa China) katumia bait aliyowekewa kuiteketeza hii Western Empires...

Hii ipo kama mvuvi aliyetega ndoano kuvua Nyangumi baharini ajabu akavutwa na huyo Nyangumi kwenye maji kupitia ndoano yake.

Ukitaka kuelewa hili na how...
Tizama uchumi wa US unavoporomoka huku wa China ukikua kwa Speed hasa ndani ya hii quarter ya kwanza.

Tizama Ushawishi wa US unavofifia duniani kote day hadi day...

Angalia sarafu ya dollar inavozidi shika speed kwenye mteremko...tena hapa nasikia Uko Iran na Indonesia wamekubaliana kufanya biashara zao kwa their national currency... na Hii trend inaonesha itaendelea kwenye mataifa mengi zaidi.

Mambo mengi mda mchache ila ndio nakwambia hivo jamaa angu Western is Falling no way... Na Western is being trapped kwenye mtego walioutengeneza wenyewe...

Unaweza rudi juu huko sikumbuki ni post ya ngapi nilitoa maoni yangu ya kwanini nahisi hii OP Russia nae azidi kuichelewesha.

Dah!wee jamaa wewe!

 

[HIMARS]

Hii vita Mrusi inaifilisi USA ukitazama Kila ikichelewa Mrusi anazidi watia hasara. Mrusi hasara Hana zaidi ya wanajeshi wake tu. Silaha anazotumia zote zinalipwa na faida ya bei ya gas na oil sababu sa ivi mafuta na gas bei zipo juu.

Uma chekesha sana, Afghan US alikuwa anatumia zaidi ya 1bil usd kwa siku
Ukraine ametumia 3bil pekee kwa hizo siku zote

 

[HIMARS]

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Unakili kweli Ndugu yangu?

Kifaru kimoja tu unavokiona ni Karibu na zaidi ya Billion 14 ya Tanzania na vingine ni Zaid hata mara 5.

Unaiona Ile Meli iliyozama?, Ni zaidi ya Billion 100 ya Tanzania...

Unaona yale makombora yote yanayotumika ni mamia ya mamilioni yanateketea Kila saa...

Zile Ndege zinazongushwa ni mamia ya Mabilioni ya fedha, Kila inarushwa kwenda Kufanya mashambulizi inatumia mamilioni ya Mafuta.

Mwaka 2014 jeshi la Tanzania lilitumia 20K kwa Kila Kuruta kwa Kila Siku ya Mungu, now fikiria mwaka 2022 Russia itatumia kiasi gani kwa Askari kamili?

Asilimia 40-60 ya gesi na Mafuta ya Urusi yanauzwa Ulaya ambayo inataka kuondokana na Utegemezi wake mwisho wa mwaka huu kwa zaidi ya 80%

India na China ndio watumiaji wengine wakubwa wa Fossil fuels lakini India anunua only less than 5% ya Mafuta ya Russia....

Please mkiwa mnatoa hoja muwege na some common senses, hakuna faida ya Kutumia pesa nyingi kupigana vita visivyo vya maana ukasema unapata Hasara ndogo uta recover...

Yaani una akili timamu Karne ya 21 unaenda kuvamia nchi unasema unaenda kuwalinda watu wanaongea Lugha Yako

Ile landing ship iliyozamishwa na ile frigate zilikuwa na zaidi ya dollar milioni 700 hiyo ni zaidi ya tril 1.7

 

[lee Vladimir cleef]

Acha blaa blaa

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Pro Russia mko makini aisee.
Mnahakikisha Hawa wapotoshaji hawapotoshi aisee.
Naliamini hili kundi la kujitolea la Pro Russia.
Hamuwapi nafasi kabisa aisee.

 

[Muite]

Ukraine na Russia wamesema raia wote hasa wazee na watoto waliokuwa kwenye handaki Mouriopol wameondolewa. Ninachofikiria huenda kukawa na makamanda wajanja wametumia hiyo furusa WAKAJIZEESHA NA KUJIPA ULEMAVU wakapitiamo humohumo. Nakumbuka tukiwa secondary School kuna jamaa alikuwa anafinya macho na sura inakuwa kama mzee kabisa.

 

[Mwanamkiwi]

Kuna swali umeuliza kuwa anaamin kuwa ukrain inalazimisha wananchi wake kuwatumia km ngao, swali kwako je, hujui km ukrain ilikataza wanaume kukimbia nje ya kuanzia miaka 18-60?

Siyo hii ni mambo mawili tofauti? Wana sheria inayounda huduma ya kitaifa katika jeshi kwa wanaume kati ya miaka 18 - 60.
Utaratibu huu upo katika nchi nyingi duniani. Angalia ramani chini (nyekundu, buluu nyeusi na kichungwa kuna sheria hizi zikitekelezwa tofauti, chanzo hapa).
Kwa hiyo wapi ngao katika mfano wako??? Kama wangelazimisha wakina mama na watoto kubaki... Lakini hiyo hawafanyi.

 

[Mwanamkiwi]

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🔥🔥🔥Alexandra Zelenskaya, Zelensky's daughter hates her father, calls him a people and a killer of the Ukrainian people🔥🔥🔥

Mbona unasambaza uwongo mtupu unaojulikana ni uwongo???
Huna akili ya kutosha kukagua mambo unayokuta kwenye intaneti ??? Basi okoa pumzi na pesa, zima!
Huyu si binti wa Zelensky, katika video ambako picha imechukuliwa, huyu binti haongei kuhusu Zelensky lakini anamshtaki rafiki eti ni mwongo kwa sababu alimwahidi I-phone mpya lakini hajaleta.....
Aibu yako!! (nilihitaji sekunde 6 kupata factcheck hiyo hapa chini Fact check: Zelenskyy's daughter did not 'flee' to Poland | DW | 30.04.2022) - sasa usianze kulia ni de.com - ukitaka kupinga leta habari kamli na chanzo - lakini heri uzime usiongeze aibu yako.

Europe​

Fact check: Zelenskyy's daughter did not 'flee' to Poland​

Posts on social media had claimed that Oleksandra Zelenska, the daughter of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, called her father a "Nazi" and "fled" Ukraine. DW fact-checked the posts and found them to be bogus.




Not the same: Crying woman at left, Oleksandra Zelenska (top) and family on the right
Even as manipulated videos known as deepfakes are increasingly produced to attribute statements to people who never made them, the old-fashioned art of fabrication still serves its purpose. That's the case with a photograph circulating online that claims to show the daughter of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

Claim: Social media sites are currently spreading an image of a young crying woman, claiming in various languages that the president's 17-year-old daughter, Oleksandra Zelenska, "hates her father" and had called him a "Nazi" and "murderer of the Ukrainian people." Russian websites have also spread the claim.

Fact check: False

The pictured woman is not Zelenska, as a reverse image search shows. The photo was taken from a video that had appeared on the internet in 2017. Zelenskyy's daughter, born in 2004, was significantly younger than the woman in the video. For comparison, this video shows Zelenska at 11 years of age.

Russian-language iPhone conversation​

The pair in the video from which the image is taken speak Russian, not Ukrainian, and their conversation is not about Zelenskyy. The man who records the video — presumably, the woman's partner — addresses her as Nastya and tries to comfort her. She responds: "You promised me that iPhone five months ago and never bought it!"

The message, tagged "exclusive" and disseminated in Georgian, Spanish and German, among other languages, also claims that Zelenska had "fled to Poland." A billboard just visible behind the crying woman during the first seconds of the video, however, advertises a property for sale, and the phone number on display belongs to a real estate agent based in Sochi, Russia, which DW was able to ascertain on the basis of the person's WhatsApp and Instagram profiles. This means that the sequence shown in the video could have been filmed in the Black Sea coast area.

Disinformation about Zelenskyy​

Since Russia invaded Ukraine, the president has been the face of resistance — as well as the No. 1 target for Kremlin propaganda. At least one deepfake depicting him exists, and time and again it has been alleged that he'd clandestinely fled Ukraine. His family, too, has repeatedly been targeted by such campaigns. For example, propagandists and pro-Russia accounts published a photo that allegedly showed his wife, Olena Zelenska, in the French city of Nice. The president denied this, saying his wife remained with him in Ukraine. Zelenska and Zelenskyy also have a 9-year-old son. The president has repeatedly and verifiably appeared with heads of government and in front of international journalists in or near the capital, Kyiv.

 

[Bwana Utam]

Hahahaha and how many ukrainian' soldiers died?!?! Stupid Western media zinajenga ajenda ya mauaji ya raia just to demonize Russians...sijui Mara hospitali imebomolewa Mara shule Mara kindergarten Mara sijui theatre...hiyo ni agenda building ya media hizo na pia agenda setting...huwezi kusikia Askari wangapi wa Ukraine wamekufa au vifaru vingapi vya Ukraine vimeteketea...media hizo za west zinataka kuiaminisha dunia kuwa majeshi ya Russia yanalenga raia tu...stupid media..

Nafarijika sana kuona wengi tunazidi zifahamu PROPAGANDA zahao wapuuzi MSM
Vijana tumeelewa mambo watuache

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[Katunge World Wide]

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Harakati zao zinapikomea

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[Tsh]

[emoji23][emoji23] Hatari...

Hapana Jamaa angu, na hatutegemei hata siku moja kuona "mtu mwenye jeuri" akikubali kushindwa. There's no way to defeat Russia in Ukraine, nao wanalijua hilo fika Lakin hawawezi kukubali kushindwa kamwe.

Jarib kuwatizama EU, Ona namna wanavotaka kufanya economical suicide kumkomoa Russia kisa Ukraine... Unaamini kweli ni kwasababu ya Ukraine ndio watake kwenda that far?

Duniani kote huwa tunaamini hakuna adui wala rafiki isipokuwa kwenye maslahi, na hii ndio hulka ya mwanadam. Sasa mie na wewe tuulizane kwanini wanataka kwenda this far katika mapigano yao na Russia?

Nchi za EU zinaongoza kwa Tax, na yote hii ni kwasabab nchi hizi hazina rasilimali za asili hivo pato kubwa la serikali linatoka kwa Raia wao. Mfano Denmark, France na Austria inaenda zaidi ya 50%... Na ni nchi tu kama Hungary, Czech na Estonia zenye lowest tax rate. Sizani kama na haja ya kukuelezea kodi ni nini.

Sasa angalia ukubwa wa hizo kodi kisha fikiria mfumuko wa bei za bidhaa unavowakamua Raia wa kawaida. Zote hizo ni outcomes za matendo ya viongozi wao kisha wanaisingizia Russia...

Katika kulielewa hilo chukulia mfano wa hapo TZ... bei za vitu zilivyopanda. Ongeza tozo za kila sampuli kisha piga hesab kwenye mshahara ule ule ambao haujaongezeka hata thumuni, 10k ya jana sio 10k ya leo.

Sasa huo Ugumu unaoufikiria ndio Ugumu unaowakumba Raia wa EU na Western kwa ujumla... na ni vitu ambavyo media inaficha haizungumzi. Na hawazungumzi kwasabab media zote kubwa zinafanya kazi za hawa walioko nyuma ya hizi "morons" tunaowaita viongozi.

Ni Raia hao wa nchi hizo wanayatamka pembeni, wanaugulia ila hawana jinsi. Viongozi wao hawapo kwa ajili yao wapo kwa ajili ya Master wao wanaemtumikia. So kushindwa ama kushinda kwao hawajali... What matters kwao ni kutengenza Crisis then through that Crisis wajanja wanatengeneza Pesa.

Kuna maandamano kila kukicha ila hayapewi headlines, hizi kauli za "Media are lying" hatuzitoi tandale... tunazitoa kwa Raia wa nchi hizo. Majuzi kati Huyo Papa wa Katoliki alinukuliwa akisema kua Harakati za NATO kwenye mipaka ya Russia ndio zimepelekea mzozo huo uliopo hivi sasa.

Hio taarifa haikupewa kipaumbele kabisa kwasabab haiwafurahishi wakubwa.

Kwa kifupi tu issue ya wao western kukiri kushindwa sizani kama kutatokea, wako ready ku'fight Russia to the last man Standing. Na wakishindwa Ukraine, watazua sehem nyingine na nyingine...

Na nirekebishe kauli vizuri... tatizo sio US bali hicho kikundi kilichopo nyuma ya serikali ya US ndio tatizo ulimwenguni. Binafs sio mdau sana wa hizi State Affiliated Media. Obviously ukijikita kwazo unakuwa much disinformed.

Ukitaka kuyaona ama kufaham mengi ya nje basi tengeneza Connection na watu wa kawaida tu kwenye maeneo unayotaka kujua habari zake ama fatilia yanayojiri ulimwengunki kwa waandishi wa habari wana harakati.

Kwamba USA, EU na think tank wao woote wameamua kupoteza uchumi wa mataifa yao sababu ya jeuri, hii ndio hitimisho la kwann hawaachi iwapo mtego wa vikwazo na msaada kwa Ukraine umeback fire?

 

[Bwana Utam]

Uma chekesha sana, Afghan US alikuwa anatumia zaidi ya 1bil usd kwa siku
Ukraine ametumia 3bil pekee kwa hizo siku zote

Acha kutudanganya MKUU

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[Katunge World Wide]

Mji wa POPASNA umechukuliwa wote na majeshi ya Russia. Mji upo mashariki ktk mkoa wa Luhansk( DONBASS REGION) na Russia walisema miji yote waliyochukua Ukraine haitarud kwao forever.

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