bobby_Barbosa_9
JF-Expert Member
- Jul 29, 2019
- 633
- 1,275
Save your time and energy ndugu,
Ni ngumu kumuelezea mtu ambae kwenye mawazo yake kashafanya maamuzi.
Pili katika operations zote hawajui sababu zake, ndio maana ni rahisi kuweka conclusion
Save your time and energy ndugu,For you to understand the end you must know the beginning. Kazi ya NATO Libya ilikua strictly ku enforce ' No fly Zone' na sio kumuua Gaddafi. In other words kuhakikisha ndege za Gaddafi haziruki na zikiruka zinaangushwa, hizo ndege ndo ziliwatesa raia wa Libya. NATO haikua the main belligerent katika hivyo vita na lengo lilikua Peace Keeping.
Hapa Naona akili zimekuingia kwamba Amerika ilikua sahihi kuivamia Afghanistan na sio kama Russia kumuonea Ukraine.
1. Invalid question, NATO wasn't the main belligerent, otherwise Russia inge veto hiyo UN resolution. Instead rephrase swali lako liwe 'How long did Libyan Rebels took to overthrow Gaddafi'
2. A matter of weeks and 20 years engaging insurgents.
3. Invalid question, USA role in Vietnam was giving air support and tactics. USA didn't declare formal war. Rephrase it to 'how long did did North and South Vietnam war last'
4. 1 month 1 week and 8yrs engaging insurgents
Amerika kabla haijaingia katika vita lazima ifanye formal declaration. Ndo huwa nashangaa mtu akiniambia USA ilipigwa na Somalia kwa sababu ya movie ya 'black hawk down'. Tutofautishe Peace keeping/ proxy/ guerilla/ ibya, Vietnam, Somalia etc
Huyo jamaa yako miyeyusho. Wangapi wanajua plagiarism. Kuna mambo tunaandika kwa kusimuliwa vijiweni mengine ni nadharia tu. Unless uwe verifiedFine.
Ndugu, kwenye swali lako la 2,Kufananisha US invasion in Afghanistan vs Russian operation in Ukraine kunaonesha jinsi gani ujuzi wako kwenye haya mambo ulivyo, no offense!
1. Us invasion of Afghanistan ilifanywa baada ya Afghanistan kudhaifishwa na vikwazo. 1999 UNSC walipitisha resolution no 1267 lililoitambua Alqaeda na Taliban kama makundi ya kigaidi na kuwawekea vikwazo kwenye funding, travel na silaha. Kitendo hiki kiliidhohofusha sana Afghanistan iliyokuwa chini ya taliban. Ukraine [emoji1255] kabla ya kuvamiwa haikuwekewa vikwazo kwanza walikuwa na ushirikiano mzuri na west na tangu 2014 Us/Nato wamekuwa wakiifadhili jeshi la ukr kwa hali na mali.
2. Us hakuivamia Afghanistan peke yake bali alikuwa na Uk ambaye baadaye alisaidiwa na Canada France Germany Australia wakati Urusi kaingia Ukraine mwenyewe. Kumbuka US walitangaza vita kbs dhidi ya /TalibanAlqaedaAfghanistan wakati urusi anafanya special operation tu. Learn the difference
3. Afghanistan baada ya kuvamiwa walikuwa isolated kbs na dunia nzima hakuna hata aliyewaonea huruma achilia mbali kuwasaidia kwa silaha na military infos wakati Ukraine anasaidiwa na majority ya dunia kuanzia silaha taarifa za kiitelijensia na hata solidarity kila mahali ss hv utaona #IstandwithUkraine
4. Us hakuwekewa vikwazo kufuatia uvamizi wake Afghanistan wakati urusi amewekewa vikwazo visivyoidadi mpk sasa
5. US hawakuwa na utaratibu wowote wa kuzingatia maisha na usalama wa raia wasio na hatia. Wengi waliuliwa wakati wa uvamizi huo hasa wanawake na watoto na hakukua na nafasi ya diplomasia. Urusi anachukua tahadhari kuruhusu raia waondoke maeneo hatarishi (humanitarian corridors) wakati huo mazungumzo yanaendelea na yanapopiga hatua mapigano anayapunguza ref. Kuretreat kiev baada ya kupiga hatua kidogo kwenye diplomasia, anatoa misaada ya kibinaadamu kwa raia wa ukr na wanajeshi waliojisalimisha na waliotekwa.
Ukiachilia hayo yote bado haikuwa rahisi kudefeat taliban wakati huo. Iliwachukua miezi miwili takriban mpaka kuwadefeat taliban na kuweka serikali ya muda (uvamizi ulianza oct 7 mpaka Taliban kukolapse dec 9). Mataifa makubwa kuungana na kuidefeat taliban dhaifu (vile) kwa muda wa miezi miwili sio jambo la kujifaharisha kwalo. They should have done better. Miaka 20 baadae mambo yamerudi kama zamani na hakuna kilichokuwa tofauti, what a waste!
Unaposema lengo lilikuwa kuhakikisha US soil haishambuliwi tena na magaidi unakosea kwa sababu huwezi kujua what the future holds. Tunaombea yasitokee lkn magaidi hawatabiriki miaka michache kuanzia ss hv huwezi kujua yepi yatatokea ndio kwanza muda mchache ss hv tangu us atoke afghan. Ugaidi ni swala la kukemewa duniani kote
Urusi amefanya operation yake hali ya kuwa ana vikwazo kwa maelfu. Anazingatia raia waso na hatia na kutoa nafasi kwa diplomasia, misaada ya kiutu, hajatumia silaha nzito sana (sio vita kamili), hajasaidiwa na taifa lolote lile, ukraine wanapata misaada kila uchwao, propaganda dhidi yake kila mahali duniani, mamluki kwa maelfu kuisaidia ukr, nk. Nk. Lkn bado anafanya progress kuelekea kukamilisha malengo yake.
1. Demilitarization
2. Denazification
3. Russian speaking UKRnians
4. Ukr not to join Nato*
Pia swala la ugaidi wamefanikiwa kwa kiwango kikubwa na ndio lilikuwa lengo lao hasa,Kufananisha US invasion in Afghanistan vs Russian operation in Ukraine kunaonesha jinsi gani ujuzi wako kwenye haya mambo ulivyo, no offense!
1. Us invasion of Afghanistan ilifanywa baada ya Afghanistan kudhaifishwa na vikwazo. 1999 UNSC walipitisha resolution no 1267 lililoitambua Alqaeda na Taliban kama makundi ya kigaidi na kuwawekea vikwazo kwenye funding, travel na silaha. Kitendo hiki kiliidhohofusha sana Afghanistan iliyokuwa chini ya taliban. Ukraine [emoji1255] kabla ya kuvamiwa haikuwekewa vikwazo kwanza walikuwa na ushirikiano mzuri na west na tangu 2014 Us/Nato wamekuwa wakiifadhili jeshi la ukr kwa hali na mali.
2. Us hakuivamia Afghanistan peke yake bali alikuwa na Uk ambaye baadaye alisaidiwa na Canada France Germany Australia wakati Urusi kaingia Ukraine mwenyewe. Kumbuka US walitangaza vita kbs dhidi ya /TalibanAlqaedaAfghanistan wakati urusi anafanya special operation tu. Learn the difference
3. Afghanistan baada ya kuvamiwa walikuwa isolated kbs na dunia nzima hakuna hata aliyewaonea huruma achilia mbali kuwasaidia kwa silaha na military infos wakati Ukraine anasaidiwa na majority ya dunia kuanzia silaha taarifa za kiitelijensia na hata solidarity kila mahali ss hv utaona #IstandwithUkraine
4. Us hakuwekewa vikwazo kufuatia uvamizi wake Afghanistan wakati urusi amewekewa vikwazo visivyoidadi mpk sasa
5. US hawakuwa na utaratibu wowote wa kuzingatia maisha na usalama wa raia wasio na hatia. Wengi waliuliwa wakati wa uvamizi huo hasa wanawake na watoto na hakukua na nafasi ya diplomasia. Urusi anachukua tahadhari kuruhusu raia waondoke maeneo hatarishi (humanitarian corridors) wakati huo mazungumzo yanaendelea na yanapopiga hatua mapigano anayapunguza ref. Kuretreat kiev baada ya kupiga hatua kidogo kwenye diplomasia, anatoa misaada ya kibinaadamu kwa raia wa ukr na wanajeshi waliojisalimisha na waliotekwa.
Ukiachilia hayo yote bado haikuwa rahisi kudefeat taliban wakati huo. Iliwachukua miezi miwili takriban mpaka kuwadefeat taliban na kuweka serikali ya muda (uvamizi ulianza oct 7 mpaka Taliban kukolapse dec 9). Mataifa makubwa kuungana na kuidefeat taliban dhaifu (vile) kwa muda wa miezi miwili sio jambo la kujifaharisha kwalo. They should have done better. Miaka 20 baadae mambo yamerudi kama zamani na hakuna kilichokuwa tofauti, what a waste!
Unaposema lengo lilikuwa kuhakikisha US soil haishambuliwi tena na magaidi unakosea kwa sababu huwezi kujua what the future holds. Tunaombea yasitokee lkn magaidi hawatabiriki miaka michache kuanzia ss hv huwezi kujua yepi yatatokea ndio kwanza muda mchache ss hv tangu us atoke afghan. Ugaidi ni swala la kukemewa duniani kote
Urusi amefanya operation yake hali ya kuwa ana vikwazo kwa maelfu. Anazingatia raia waso na hatia na kutoa nafasi kwa diplomasia, misaada ya kiutu, hajatumia silaha nzito sana (sio vita kamili), hajasaidiwa na taifa lolote lile, ukraine wanapata misaada kila uchwao, propaganda dhidi yake kila mahali duniani, mamluki kwa maelfu kuisaidia ukr, nk. Nk. Lkn bado anafanya progress kuelekea kukamilisha malengo yake.
1. Demilitarization
2. Denazification
3. Russian speaking UKRnians
4. Ukr not to join Nato*
Hivi ni tukio gani la ugaidi walilitekeleza Taliban kwenye ardhi ya US?Op sio ya hovyo bali nyie hoja zenu ndizo za hovyo.
Nimekuuliza kwamba US walitimiza malengo yao ama vipi, una ruka ruka tu.
Kaenda baada ya terrorism ambalo katika uchunguzi ikaonekana chanzo chake ni Afghanistan then akaenda na kachukua miaka 20 yuko kule...
Je katika hiyo miaka 20 Kuna terrorism imetokea kwenye ardhi ya US inayo husisha Taliban na sio tu US kwenye nchi shirika za NATo? Jibu ni hapana,
Hii Ina maana gani, ka timiza lengo lake ama vipi?[emoji3]
Kingine, nimekutumia kule juu article inaeleza kila kitu alichofanya miaka yote hiyo, ikiwemo kuhakikisha Taliban haingii kwenye power, pia ku train, n.k
Hawa Warusi wanakuwa wajinga, wanavukaje bila air cover hata ya recon drone?Askari wa Urusi wafariki na kuachwa bila kuzikwa huko Donbas baada ya Daraja kulipuliwa na UKRAINE.Chini ni maoni ya mchangiaji[emoji848]
I wonder how many Russians are killed on this silly attempted crossing. Somebody please show this pics and video to Putin so he will know his boys are losing terribly in Donbas, Ukraine. He really needs to see this one, but I heard that Russian military doesn’t really take home their dead soldiers in Ukraine which means Ukraine will have to kill Russian soldiers and burry them too so they won’t contaminate and pollute lovely Ukraine. This is shameful and sad!!!
View attachment 2221761
View attachment 2221762
View attachment 2221763
Mkuu hao hawana haja ya kuelimika. Wao wanaimba mapambio kuisifu Marekani.Huoni kama unajitekenya then unacheka mwenyewe?
When Russia withdraw jeshi lake Kyiv mlizungumza nini? Hamkusema Russia kashindwa kuiteka Kyiv?
Ok so you are admitting vita ilikuwa bado inaendelea? So you are admitting that kama wasingetoka hivi sasa wangekuwa wanatafta mwaka wa 21 wakipigana na kikosi cha wa Taliban?
Yet you are admitting that, kama ukitoka hujamaliza ulichokusudia that means umeshindwa? If not kwanini walitoka kama hawajamaliza walichokwenda kukifanya Afghanistan?
If Russia today announce a withdrawals ya jeshi lake nchini Ukraine, kwa madai ya kuepusha wanajeshi wa Russia wasiendelee kuuwawa, Can you tell us what that means?
View attachment 2221702 Do you know what even Biden saying when they retreat from Afghanistan?
You tell us they win while themselves saying Afghanistan was a Failure, Hey buddy so who to believe? You or them?
1. How America Failed in Afghanistan
2. US failed in Afghanistan campaign must withdraw forces
3. Coming to terms with Americas undeniable failure in Afghanistan.
So hao wooote wamezungumza uongo, Wewe ndio unazungumza ukweli?
Napenda kujadiliana na watu kwa hoja. But nyie hamna hoja bali ushabiki which are far very far from reality.
Thanks for your time. Let's stop here.
For you to understand the end you must know the beginning. Kazi ya NATO Libya ilikua strictly ku enforce ' No fly Zone' na sio kumuua Gaddafi. In other words kuhakikisha ndege za Gaddafi haziruki na zikiruka zinaangushwa, hizo ndege ndo ziliwatesa raia wa Libya. NATO haikua the main belligerent katika hivyo vita na lengo lilikua Peace Keeping.
Hapa Naona akili zimekuingia kwamba Amerika ilikua sahihi kuivamia Afghanistan na sio kama Russia kumuonea Ukraine.
1. Invalid question, NATO wasn't the main belligerent, otherwise Russia inge veto hiyo UN resolution. Instead rephrase swali lako liwe 'How long did Libyan Rebels took to overthrow Gaddafi'
2. A matter of weeks and 20 years engaging insurgents.
3. Invalid question, USA role in Vietnam was giving air support and tactics. USA didn't declare formal war. Rephrase it to 'how long did did North and South Vietnam war last'
4. 1 month 1 week and 8yrs engaging insurgents
Amerika kabla haijaingia katika vita lazima ifanye formal declaration. Ndo huwa nashangaa mtu akiniambia USA ilipigwa na Somalia kwa sababu ya movie ya 'black hawk down'.
Tutofautishe Peace keeping/ proxy/ guerilla/ conventional/ Cyber warfare
Nimenawa mikono [emoji23][emoji119]Mkuu hao hawana haja ya kuelimika. Wao wanaimba mapambio kuisifu Marekani.
Sent from my SM-G5500 using JamiiForums mobile app
Kama upo 'objective' utajua Russia kwa uwezo wake wa kijeshi anaweza kukamilisha operation yake hata kwa vikwazo alivyowekewa na misaada ukr anayopewa. Msaada wa usd 800m ulifika ukr lkn haukumzuia russia kuichukua mariupol. Ingekuwa ni total war leo tungekuwa tunaonhea mengine.Ndugu, kwenye swali lako la 2,
Kuna sehemu nimeonesha hadi no of troops zilizotolewa na nchi nyingine mbali na US, najua hakuwa US pekee.
Na najua Russia anapitia vikwazo vingi sn tofauti na US kwa Afghanistan ndio maana inaniwia vigumu kusema Russia atashinda hii Vita.
Nchi nyingi ziko nyuma ya Ukraine hata wale marafik wa Russia hawako pamoja na Russia, Kama ulivyokuwa kwa US na washirika wake...
Na kuna watu wanapata kabisa nguvu ya kusema Russia anaweza ku fight na NATO kwa ujumla, seriously! Ni ngumu sana
Urusi ni Taifa lililoendelea Lakini Bado Kuna rushwa sana.Usikute ni upigaji mpaka jeshini askari wanakuwa na zana duni.Halafu waliidharau UKRAINE ndio kimewapata hicho!Hawa Warusi wanakuwa wajinga, wanavukaje bila air cover hata ya recon drone?
Russia haitaji msaada wa kijeshi wala wa kifedhaPia swala la ugaidi wamefanikiwa kwa kiwango kikubwa na ndio lilikuwa lengo lao hasa,
Pia swali mkuu, unafikiri kwanini Russia hapati misaada ama support kwa rafiki zake!
1. Marekani aliishambulia Taliban kwamadai ya kumuhifadhi Osama. Wakati wao ndio waliompeleka kule. Wakamfadhili silaha na fedha ili kupambana na Russia. Kama anavyofanya kwa Ukraine. Taliban hawakuwa na uwezo wa kumkamata Osama kwani alikuwa na jeshi lenye nguvu na zana kali za kivita. Ilikuwa uonevu kuwataka Taliban wakapambane na Osama wakati wamarekani wakijua silaha walizompa na fedha alizonazo hawataweza.Amerika ilivamia Afghanistan kulipiza kisasi kwa waliopanga 911 na kuhakikisha shambulizi kama hilo halitokei tena. 20 years later hakuna shambulizi kama hilo limetokea tena na Osama bin Laden na wenzake wameuliwa. Huo ni ushindi mkubwa kwa raia wa amerika, Tanzania na Kenya ambao hawana tena hofu ya kulipuliwa na Al qaeda.
Nakukumbusha kwamba hao unaowatetea walifanya shambulio la kigaidi nchini kwako na Kenya 1998 na kama sio juhudi za Amerika kufanikiwa, wangeendelea kututesa. Chuki zako kwa amerika zisifanye uungane na watu ambao wakikupata popote wanakukata kichwa. Nairobi 1998[emoji116][emoji116]
View attachment 2221733
For 20 years amerika ilikua ikiilinda serikali ya Afghanistan, ikitoa mafunzo na kupigana na Taliban sleeper cells, wakijaribu Ku regroup wanapigwa na vitu vizito. Hii ndio sababu Taliban inayotawala haiwezi kujaribu ule ujinga wa 911. Amerika ilijiondoa baada kuona Taliban sio tena tishio kwao.
Kilichoanzisha vita Libya ni maandamano ya Arab Spring ambayo yenyewe yalianza Tunisia na kusambaa Nchi kiarabu. NATO iliingia wakati UN security Council ilipiga kura kuwe na intervention ya kuzuia raia wasiendelee kuuawa na vikosi vya Gaddafi. Kura zilikua 10 walikubali, 5 hawakupiga na 0 walipinga. Russia na China zenye Veto Power waliabstain kura, the whole freaking world was against Gaddafi.
NATO kwa idhini ya UN wakaweka 'No fly Zone' Libya lakini hawakutuma wanajeshi wa ardhini. Kazi ilikua kulepua military assets za Gaddafi ambazo zina wahangaisha wananchi. Na mwishoe Gaddafi akadakwa na rebels akijificha chini ya mtaro na wakamuua. NATO haikua the main party katika vita hivyo kwa hio lawama zako ziko misguided.
View attachment 2221775View attachment 2221776View attachment 2221777
Waarabu wenzake kina UAE na Qatar walimgeukia Gaddafi wewe mtanzania unaanzaje kumsapoti. Hivi hujui kwamba yeye ndo alimpa silaha Idi Amin wa Uganda awavamie Kagera. Msipokua makini mtasapoti adui zenu kwa chuki kwa Amerika.
Hoja zako na za Galip Vrl ni kubwa mno kuliko uwezo wake,hataweza kujibu nakuambia.Tunachosema sisi ni kwamba, Russia objectives zake kafanikisha ama bado? Kwanza sidhani hata Kama mnajua malengo yao
Is that not enough to show how unazungumzia kitu usichokifaham?
Can you answer please the second question katika maswali uliyoulizwa?
Do you have a time frame of Operation ambayo unaitumia kama reference ya kuelezea kushindwa kwa Jeshi la Russia Ukraine?
Unajua miaka 20 ni umri wa mtu kuzaliwa hadi kufikia utu uzima? Can you tell us how Taliban survive a war against those "Rich Nations" miaka yote 20?
All Intels of 30 Nation from NATO didn't able to break Taliban in 20yrs. Kwani Taliban alikuwa akipokea msaada kutoka kwa nani?
Ni Hey, uko ready kubishana kwa hoja?
Amka kumekucha. Na kama unaota unajisaidia,tafadhali chukua tahadhari[emoji779]️Russian soldiers refuse to fight against the Ukrainian army. The leadership of the Russian Federation suppresses the riots of the military
[emoji3502]There is a split in the Russian army: the military does not want to go on the attack, and the riots are becoming massive.
[emoji3502]To suppress the riots, the government of the Russian Federation sends experienced generals who arrange "show trials" for the rebels.
[emoji3502]The conversation intercepted by the SBU contains details of punishments. A Russian soldier tells his parents about General Muradov, who previously led the grouping of Russian forces in Syria.
[emoji3502]Muradov gave the order to take out the company commanders in an unknown direction, who refused to obey. Prior to that, all personal belongings were taken from them, undressed and tied up.
Unaweza kusoma zaidi.[emoji116]
Ndugu, kwenye swali lako la 2,
Kuna sehemu nimeonesha hadi no of troops zilizotolewa na nchi nyingine mbali na US, najua hakuwa US pekee.
Na najua Russia anapitia vikwazo vingi sn tofauti na US kwa Afghanistan ndio maana inaniwia vigumu kusema Russia atashinda hii Vita.
Nchi nyingi ziko nyuma ya Ukraine hata wale marafik wa Russia hawako pamoja na Russia, Kama ulivyokuwa kwa US na washirika wake...
Na kuna watu wanapata kabisa nguvu ya kusema Russia anaweza ku fight na NATO kwa ujumla, seriously! Ni ngumu sana
Unaamini ugaidi?Pia swala la ugaidi wamefanikiwa kwa kiwango kikubwa na ndio lilikuwa lengo lao hasa,
Pia swali mkuu, unafikiri kwanini Russia hapati misaada ama support kwa rafiki zake!
[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]Again, maelezo mengi full of balderdash. So that's how you wish ingekuwa right [emoji848]?...
1. Invalid question, NATO wasn't the main belligerent, otherwise Russia inge veto hiyo UN resolution. Instead rephrase swali lako liwe 'How long did Libyan Rebels took to overthrow Gaddafi'
View attachment 2221890
Coco like Coco, enough is enough.
Good luck... [emoji119]