Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

[Keyboard_Warrior]

Ww uta bilingika una fanya ufanyavyo ila ukweli Marekani alishindwa vita maana walienda kuiangusha serikali ya Talban kwa hoja ya kuwa unadhani ugaidi lakini wameondoka wamewaacha haohao wadhamini wa ugaidi wakiwa madarakani.

kwani Talban wangeamuwa kusalimu amri na kutopigana Marekani angekimbia? alikimbia kwa sababu wanajeshi wake walikuwa wanauawa na silaha zao kuharibiwa na walikuwa wanapata hasara.

Haya ngoja tuachane na Afghanistan vipi kuhusu Vietnam ambapo Marekani alipigana zaidi ya miaka 8 akashindwa kuteka hata kijiji akaishia kupata kipigo cha mbwa koko akakimbia bila hata kuaga.

Huoni kama unajitekenya then unacheka mwenyewe?

When Russia withdraw jeshi lake Kyiv mlizungumza nini? Hamkusema Russia kashindwa kuiteka Kyiv?

Ok so you are admitting vita ilikuwa bado inaendelea? So you are admitting that kama wasingetoka hivi sasa wangekuwa wanatafta mwaka wa 21 wakipigana na kikosi cha wa Taliban?

Yet you are admitting that, kama ukitoka hujamaliza ulichokusudia that means umeshindwa? If not kwanini walitoka kama hawajamaliza walichokwenda kukifanya Afghanistan?

If Russia today announce a withdrawals ya jeshi lake nchini Ukraine, kwa madai ya kuepusha wanajeshi wa Russia wasiendelee kuuwawa, Can you tell us what that means?

View attachment 2221702 Do you know what even Biden saying when they retreat from Afghanistan?

You tell us they win while themselves saying Afghanistan was a Failure, Hey buddy so who to believe? You or them?

1. How America Failed in Afghanistan

2. US failed in Afghanistan campaign must withdraw forces

3. Coming to terms with Americas undeniable failure in Afghanistan.

So hao wooote wamezungumza uongo, Wewe ndio unazungumza ukweli?

Napenda kujadiliana na watu kwa hoja. But nyie hamna hoja bali ushabiki which are far very far from reality.

Thanks for your time. Let's stop here.

Wazee wa kazi, kilaza huwa hafundishiki. Maana hii mnayompa ni shule. Msipoteze muda wenu.
Huyo ni kilaza, na bahati mbaya ni kilaza aliyekunywa maji ya bendera ya NATO.

 

[UPOPO]

Nimekuelezea vizuri huko juu lakini umenikimbiaaa

Sijakukimbia mkuu kazi zimebana

 

[Final Boss]

Amerika ilivamia Afghanistan kulipiza kisasi kwa waliopanga 911 na kuhakikisha shambulizi kama hilo halitokei tena. 20 years later hakuna shambulizi kama hilo limetokea tena na Osama bin Laden na wenzake wameuliwa. Huo ni ushindi mkubwa kwa raia wa amerika, Tanzania na Kenya ambao hawana tena hofu ya kulipuliwa na Al qaeda.
Nakukumbusha kwamba hao unaowatetea walifanya shambulio la kigaidi nchini kwako na Kenya 1998 na kama sio juhudi za Amerika kufanikiwa, wangeendelea kututesa. Chuki zako kwa amerika zisifanye uungane na watu ambao wakikupata popote wanakukata kichwa. Nairobi 1998[emoji116][emoji116]
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For 20 years amerika ilikua ikiilinda serikali ya Afghanistan, ikitoa mafunzo na kupigana na Taliban sleeper cells, wakijaribu Ku regroup wanapigwa na vitu vizito. Hii ndio sababu Taliban inayotawala haiwezi kujaribu ule ujinga wa 911. Amerika ilijiondoa baada kuona Taliban sio tena tishio kwao.

Kilichoanzisha vita Libya ni maandamano ya Arab Spring ambayo yenyewe yalianza Tunisia na kusambaa Nchi kiarabu. NATO iliingia wakati UN security Council ilipiga kura kuwe na intervention ya kuzuia raia wasiendelee kuuawa na vikosi vya Gaddafi. Kura zilikua 10 walikubali, 5 hawakupiga na 0 walipinga. Russia na China zenye Veto Power waliabstain kura, the whole freaking world was against Gaddafi.

NATO kwa idhini ya UN wakaweka 'No fly Zone' Libya lakini hawakutuma wanajeshi wa ardhini. Kazi ilikua kulepua military assets za Gaddafi ambazo zina wahangaisha wananchi. Na mwishoe Gaddafi akadakwa na rebels akijificha chini ya mtaro na wakamuua. NATO haikua the main party katika vita hivyo kwa hio lawama zako ziko misguided.
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Waarabu wenzake kina UAE na Qatar walimgeukia Gaddafi wewe mtanzania unaanzaje kumsapoti. Hivi hujui kwamba yeye ndo alimpa silaha Idi Amin wa Uganda awavamie Kagera. Msipokua makini mtasapoti adui zenu kwa chuki kwa Amerika.

You try hard to make 'United State' looks saint on this, unfortunately are all just your wishful thinking as usual, Maelezo meeeeengi yote out of theme.

Did I even ask a reason for them to Invade Libya? If not then what forcing you to bring them here?

Ok now get back to a Question. How long did they take to dismantle Gaddafi? Is it 1 day right?

In Taliban too, did I ask about the course or time they spend? Did I state anywhere that I hate America? Ok come on tell us how long did they take there.

Again, reminding you. Theme of the Question is How long did they take. So save your energy, save us a time too. Give a simple answer as short as possible.

State a number whether one day, half a day or an hour and so forth.

Qst.

1. HOW LONG DID NATO took in Libya War

2. HOW LONG DID US/NATO took in Afghanistan War

3. HOW LONG DID US took in Vietnam War

4. HOW LONG DID US took in Iraqi War

Mind you, never ever dare lying to us, we know it, don't change History. Don't change reality, We all know in case of Libya it was about NATO and Gaddafi usitudanganye hawakuwa involved directly.

Jibu maswali kama yalivyo.

 

[Keyboard_Warrior]

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Hii picha inanivunjaga mbavu sana aisee.
😂😂😂😂

 

[UPOPO]

Halafu ninyi wapenzi na washabiki wa msemaji mpya wa ikulu ya Marekani ndio mtakuwa waburudishaji

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Hii dunia utakiwi kuishi kwa stress ndugu yangu.Utashangaa Marekani na Urusi baadaye wakagongeana sisi tunabaki tumenuna .Burudika tu ,mimi nasikitika tu lazima nipambane na hali yangu ya vitu kupanda bei kwa sababu ya vita.

 

[Final Boss]

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Another funny fact, Walidai ni Osama alieratibu na kutekeleza shambulio la Sept 11.

All Intels of these 30 nations of NATO took them 10yrs to kill and get revenge to the Man himself O bin L.

That wasn't the case to them.

 

[Keyboard_Warrior]

Mavuno ya Ukraine - Warusi walianza kuiba nafaka ya Ukraine kutoka ghala katika maeneo waliyovamia.

Habari nazozipenda, kama kweli Russia imefanya hii kitu, waambie wamenifurahisha sana mimi Mrusi wa Kibera, neno SHIBE halitakiwi kuwepo kwenye kamusi za Ukraine.
TUENDELEE KUISOMA NAMBA KWA PAMOJA.

 

[Galip Veryl]

You try hard to make 'United State' looks saint on this, unfortunately are all just your wishful thinking as usual, Maelezo meeeeengi yote out of theme.

Did I even ask a reason for them to Invade Libya? If not then what forcing you to bring them here?

Ok now get back to a Question. How long did they take to dismantle Gaddafi? Is it 1 day right?

In Taliban too, did I ask about the course or time they spend? Did I state anywhere that I hate America? Ok come on tell us how long did they take there.

Again, reminding you. Theme of the Question is How long did they take. So save your energy, save us a time too. Give a simple answer as short as possible.

State a number whether one day, half a day or an hour and so forth.

Qst.

1. HOW LONG DID NATO took in Libya War

2. HOW LONG DID US/NATO took in Afghanistan War

3. HOW LONG DID US took in Vietnam War

4. HOW LONG DID US took in Iraqi War

Mind you, never ever dare lying to us, we know it, don't change History. Don't change reality, We all know in case of Libya it was about NATO and Gaddafi usitudanganye hawakuwa involved directly.

Jibu maswali kama yalivyo.

Mkuu tumpw hint.

1. 7 Months Libya
2. 20 yrs Afghanistan
3. 19 yrs Vietnam
4. 8 yrs in Iraqi

 

[triga]

Na Ukraine yupo Zelensky na anampelekea moto putin hatareee na meli kailipua na Kyiev kamfurusha na wenye hela yaan western washampiga vikwazo vya nguvu urusi kabaki analialia tu.

Na urusi anaihara NATO hatareee ndo maana hataki ukraine ijiunge NATO maana anajua hatari yake. So kama manhataan waliiba germany so ni akili ya western hapo inatawala tena ya jews.

We unacheze na nchi kama US ambayo ina kambi za kijeshi nchi mbalimbali inafadhili miradi mingi ya maendeleo duniani. Haya Finland inayo inataka kujiunga NATO......

Ulivyosema tu 'akili ya jews' nikajua wewe ni mtu design gani

Kila la kheri

 

[triga]

Jibu si vigumu.
1. Silaha hizi ndogo zilitosha kumaliza jeshi la putin katika kaskazini ya Ukraine. Ukraine in SAM300 chahce, zinatosha ili ndegevita za Urusi zinapaswa kupita chini sana na hapa Javelin zinazipata. Tokeo: jeshi la Anga la Urusi halina nguvu katika vita hii, isipokuwa kwa kurusha roketi kwa mbali.
2. Mifumo tata kama Patriot au ndegevita n.k. huwezi kutumia mara moja. Unahitaji kujifunza na kufanya mazoezi miezi, kwa mifumo tata zaidi miaka. Hii sababu NATO wametafuta silaha za Kirusi zinazopatikana kwenye soko la dunia na katika majeshi ya nchi za NATO kama Poland, Ucheki maana ni silaha zilezile ambazo wanajeshi wa ukraine wanajua tayari: vifaru T 72, SAM . . . .
3. Iskander hadi sasa haikuwa tishio kubwa, maana nguvu ya kombora la kasi kubwa ni kuepukana na mifumo ya kuzuia roketi, lakini hazina uharibifu mkubwa zaidi. Na kwa jumla inaonekana Urusi haina silaha nyingi za aina hiyo, hivyo tumeona mifano michache ya matumizi yake. Pia mfano wa juzi walipotumia makombora hayo Odessa, hawakulenga shabaha za maana bali kubomoa hoteli na supermarket. Mfano wa matumizi hovyo ya silaha hizo ambazo ni ghali. tuone akiba itaishia lini.

Bruh you are something else.
Sijaona kitu chochote cha maana ulichoongea hapa. Upupu mtupu![emoji706][emoji706][emoji706]

NB. Rekebisha kiswahili

 

[Final Boss]

Mkuu tumpw hint.

1. 7 Months Libya
2. 20 yrs Afghanistan
3. 19 yrs Vietnam
4. 8 yrs in Iraqi

Nasubiri anijibu, short and brief like that, If and only if has a gut of doing so.

Kukubali ukweli huo ni kukubali NATO ni wadhaifu zaidi, The largest Coalition ever against weak Opponents without support wanahaha kupata ushindi.

Unfortunately its a kind of truth, that's too big for him to chew.

 

[Galip Veryl]

Nasubiri anijibu, short and brief like that, If and only if has a gut of doing so.

Kukubali ukweli huo ni kukubali NATO ni wadhaifu zaidi, The largest Coalition ever against weak Opponents without support wanahaha kupata ushindi.

Unfortunately its a kind of truth, that its too big for him to chew.

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Una ukoo na Medvedev mzee

Kwamba 'It's kind of truth that's too big for him to chew'

 

[Galip Veryl]

Wazee wa Michongo...

On social networks, people are perplexed where the billions of aid from the EU and the United States are going, when Ukrainian servicemen have to buy everything for their own money.

 

[Galip Veryl]

Hali hii miezi miwili, halafu zele anadai atapigana miaka 10 😂

Despite the fact that the Ukrainian government is trying to reassure citizens with constant statements about the soonest stabilization of the situation on the energy market in the state, the fuel crisis is worsening every day and reaching a new level. So, in Odessa, long queues lined up for coupons for diesel fuel and gasoline.

Hapa kuna watu wanatamani hili lingekuwa limetokea Russia wajazane hapa kupongezana.

 

[Rais2045]

Wazee wa Michongo...
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On social networks, people are perplexed where the billions of aid from the EU and the United States are going, when Ukrainian servicemen have to buy everything for their own money.

Labda watu wanajipigia pesa kwa kisingizio cha vita

 

[Galip Veryl]

Nawaza tungewafanyia hivi warundi ingekuaje, nenda nayo hadi mwisho.

In general, the situation with the middle class of Ukrainians is very complicated. In Ukraine, it disappears due to the expiration of resources and downtime at work, as well as skyrocketing prices.

And even those who managed to go abroad taking their savings are now spending them there, because if in the first two months of hostilities all refugees received benefits from European countries, today much has changed.

In the same Germany, for example, they are seriously engaged in the division of refugees into those who need help, those who can live for the first time on their savings or by selling a car, for example.

So, from June 1, their active filtering will begin - Ukrainians in Germany will have to indicate all their movable and immovable property.

For example, if a refugee has a car, but its value does not exceed €7,500, then he has the right to keep it and receive social benefits from Germany.

But, if the car is more expensive, it is proposed to sell it and live on this money.

“Swindling” will not work, in case of deception of the German regulatory authorities, Ukrainians face criminal liability.

This is how the “middle class” among Ukrainians will disappear.

 

[Galip Veryl]

Labda watu wanajipigia pesa kwa kisingizio cha vita

Nazani kauli nzuri sio labda, but ndivyo.

 

[bobby_Barbosa_9]

[emoji779]️Russian soldiers refuse to fight against the Ukrainian army. The leadership of the Russian Federation suppresses the riots of the military

[emoji3502]There is a split in the Russian army: the military does not want to go on the attack, and the riots are becoming massive.

[emoji3502]To suppress the riots, the government of the Russian Federation sends experienced generals who arrange "show trials" for the rebels.

[emoji3502]The conversation intercepted by the SBU contains details of punishments. A Russian soldier tells his parents about General Muradov, who previously led the grouping of Russian forces in Syria.

[emoji3502]Muradov gave the order to take out the company commanders in an unknown direction, who refused to obey. Prior to that, all personal belongings were taken from them, undressed and tied up.

Unaweza kusoma zaidi.[emoji116]

Weiterleitungshinweis

 

[Reborn tkd]

You try hard to make 'United State' looks saint on this, unfortunately are all just your wishful thinking as usual, Maelezo meeeeengi yote out of theme.

Did I even ask a reason for them to Invade Libya? If not then what forcing you to bring them here?

Ok now get back to a Question. How long did they take to dismantle Gaddafi? Is it 1 day right?

For you to understand the end you must know the beginning. Kazi ya NATO Libya ilikua strictly ku enforce ' No fly Zone' na sio kumuua Gaddafi. In other words kuhakikisha ndege za Gaddafi haziruki na zikiruka zinaangushwa, hizo ndege ndo ziliwatesa raia wa Libya. NATO haikua the main belligerent katika hivyo vita na lengo lilikua Peace Keeping.

In Taliban too, did I ask about the course or time they spend? Did I state anywhere that I hate America? Ok come on tell us how long did they take there.

Hapa Naona akili zimekuingia kwamba Amerika ilikua sahihi kuivamia Afghanistan na sio kama Russia kumuonea Ukraine.

Again, reminding you. Theme of the Question is How long did they take. So save your energy, save us a time too. Give a simple answer as short as possible.

State a number whether one day, half a day or an hour and so forth.

Qst.

1. HOW LONG DID NATO took in Libya War

2. HOW LONG DID US/NATO took in Afghanistan War

3. HOW LONG DID US took in Vietnam War

4. HOW LONG DID US took in Iraqi War

1. Invalid question, NATO wasn't the main belligerent, otherwise Russia inge veto hiyo UN resolution. Instead rephrase swali lako liwe 'How long did Libyan Rebels took to overthrow Gaddafi'

2. A matter of weeks and 20 years engaging insurgents.

3. Invalid question, USA role in Vietnam was giving air support and tactics. USA didn't declare formal war. Rephrase it to 'how long did did North and South Vietnam war last'

4. 1 month 1 week and 8yrs engaging insurgents

Mind you, never ever dare lying to us, we know it, don't change History. Don't change reality, We all know in case of Libya it was about NATO and Gaddafi usitudanganye hawakuwa involved directly.

Jibu maswali kama yalivyo.

Amerika kabla haijaingia katika vita lazima ifanye formal declaration. Ndo huwa nashangaa mtu akiniambia USA ilipigwa na Somalia kwa sababu ya movie ya 'black hawk down'.
Tutofautishe Peace keeping/ proxy/ guerilla/ conventional/ Cyber warfare

 

[triga]

Et iliwachukua miaka 20 hahah,

Sasa miaka 20 nyuma Taliban alitolewa kwenye madaraka, kwahyo kwa hesababu rahisi haikuchukua hata mwaka US ku take over[emoji16]

Kaja regain power mwaka jana after us ku remove their troops,

Sasa tusubiri tuone Russia atachukua muda gani! View attachment 2221514

Kufananisha US invasion in Afghanistan vs Russian operation in Ukraine kunaonesha jinsi gani ujuzi wako kwenye haya mambo ulivyo, no offense!

1. Us invasion of Afghanistan ilifanywa baada ya Afghanistan kudhaifishwa na vikwazo. 1999 UNSC walipitisha resolution no 1267 lililoitambua Alqaeda na Taliban kama makundi ya kigaidi na kuwawekea vikwazo kwenye funding, travel na silaha. Kitendo hiki kiliidhohofusha sana Afghanistan iliyokuwa chini ya taliban. Ukraine [emoji1255] kabla ya kuvamiwa haikuwekewa vikwazo kwanza walikuwa na ushirikiano mzuri na west na tangu 2014 Us/Nato wamekuwa wakiifadhili jeshi la ukr kwa hali na mali.

2. Us hakuivamia Afghanistan peke yake bali alikuwa na Uk ambaye baadaye alisaidiwa na Canada France Germany Australia wakati Urusi kaingia Ukraine mwenyewe. Kumbuka US walitangaza vita kbs dhidi ya /TalibanAlqaedaAfghanistan wakati urusi anafanya special operation tu. Learn the difference

3. Afghanistan baada ya kuvamiwa walikuwa isolated kbs na dunia nzima hakuna hata aliyewaonea huruma achilia mbali kuwasaidia kwa silaha na military infos wakati Ukraine anasaidiwa na majority ya dunia kuanzia silaha taarifa za kiitelijensia na hata solidarity kila mahali ss hv utaona #IstandwithUkraine

4. Us hakuwekewa vikwazo kufuatia uvamizi wake Afghanistan wakati urusi amewekewa vikwazo visivyoidadi mpk sasa

5. US hawakuwa na utaratibu wowote wa kuzingatia maisha na usalama wa raia wasio na hatia. Wengi waliuliwa wakati wa uvamizi huo hasa wanawake na watoto na hakukua na nafasi ya diplomasia. Urusi anachukua tahadhari kuruhusu raia waondoke maeneo hatarishi (humanitarian corridors) wakati huo mazungumzo yanaendelea na yanapopiga hatua mapigano anayapunguza ref. Kuretreat kiev baada ya kupiga hatua kidogo kwenye diplomasia, anatoa misaada ya kibinaadamu kwa raia wa ukr na wanajeshi waliojisalimisha na waliotekwa.


Ukiachilia hayo yote bado haikuwa rahisi kudefeat taliban wakati huo. Iliwachukua miezi miwili takriban mpaka kuwadefeat taliban na kuweka serikali ya muda (uvamizi ulianza oct 7 mpaka Taliban kukolapse dec 9). Mataifa makubwa kuungana na kuidefeat taliban dhaifu (vile) kwa muda wa miezi miwili sio jambo la kujifaharisha kwalo. They should have done better. Miaka 20 baadae mambo yamerudi kama zamani na hakuna kilichokuwa tofauti, what a waste!

Unaposema lengo lilikuwa kuhakikisha US soil haishambuliwi tena na magaidi unakosea kwa sababu huwezi kujua what the future holds. Tunaombea yasitokee lkn magaidi hawatabiriki miaka michache kuanzia ss hv huwezi kujua yepi yatatokea ndio kwanza muda mchache ss hv tangu us atoke afghan. Ugaidi ni swala la kukemewa duniani kote

Urusi amefanya operation yake hali ya kuwa ana vikwazo kwa maelfu. Anazingatia raia waso na hatia na kutoa nafasi kwa diplomasia, misaada ya kiutu, hajatumia silaha nzito sana (sio vita kamili), hajasaidiwa na taifa lolote lile, ukraine wanapata misaada kila uchwao, propaganda dhidi yake kila mahali duniani, mamluki kwa maelfu kuisaidia ukr, nk. Nk. Lkn bado anafanya progress kuelekea kukamilisha malengo yake.

1. Demilitarization
2. Denazification
3. Russian speaking UKRnians
4. Ukr not to join Nato*