Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

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From Grozny, soldiers of 2 elite special forces flew out from Grozny to the special operation zone - the "North" regiment and the "South" battalion of the Russian Guard.

In the ranks of the allied troops, they will carry out the tasks set by the President of Russia V. Putin, R. Kadyrov said.
 
Turkish President Erdogan commented that Russia is reducing the flow of natural gas to Europe in retaliation for sanctions, adding that Europe "reaps what it sows".

"Putin uses all his means and weapons, the most important of which is natural gas. Unfortunately, we would not like that, but such a situation is developing in Europe".

"I think Europe will have serious problems this winter."
 
triga said:
Mkuu usiwe na ubishi wa ajabu.
1. Israel haina ubavu wa kutunishiana msuli na Urusi hata kwa jambo moja.
2. Air defences za urusi s400 ndio bora zaidi kuliko zozote zile mpk muda huu tunaoongea
3. Israel wanahitaji greenlight ya urusi ili wafanye mashambulizi yao kwenye ardhi ya syria. We ita kukubaliana au kuomba ruhusa it sounds the same to me. Km huwezi kufanya jambo lako mpk ufanye kwanza makubaliano na mtu mwingine kuhusu hilo jambo ni sawa na kuomba ruhusa tu.

Kuhusu hiyo ndege km huelewi ngoja nikueleweshe. Pale syria kuna mifumo inalinda anga la syria ya syria na ya urusi. Urusi ni ally wa syria. Ndege za urusi zinaposhuka kwenye base zake huko syria haziofii chochote maana mifumo inayoweza kuzishambulia ndege ni ya ally wao syria na ya kwao wenyewe warusi. Waisrael on the other hand ndege zao pale syria zinakuwa considered km ndege za adui. Ndege zao zilipoingia syria kwenda kushambulia automatically either s400 au s200 ya syria ingekuwa activated kulinda anga dhidi ya ndege za adui. S400 haikuwa activated kufuatia makubaliano ya pm wa israel na raisi wa urusi ila s200 za syria zikawaka.

Ilitakiwa kbl israel hajaenda kushambulia atoe taarifa kwa urusi ili waondoe ndege zao karibu na eneo la tukio na syria walitakiwa wahakikishe hakuna ndege za urusi angani wakati wakijaribu kushusha ndege za adui (israel). Hakuna aliyefanya alichotakiwa kufanya. Israel alichelewa kutoa taarifa kwa urusi kilichopelekea ndege yao kudunguliwa.

Ndege ya urusi ilikuwa ni ndege ya surveillance sio ndege vita (fighter). Ni lzm tu ingekuwa hit kwa sababu haijawa designed kujilinda na mashambulizi ya mifumo ya kulinda anga ya ardhini. Ni ndege tu ya kawaida.
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Sasa mdau ni kweli hiki unachokisema ni kweli kua s400 ya Urusi ndo Bora dúnian. Hauko siriasi. Hii s400 kule Ukraine inapigwa kila siku na himars halafu unasema ndo Bora sana. Ingekua Bora tusingekua tunashuhudia yanayotokea Ukraine aisee.

Au tupe hapa sifa kubwa za S400 na ubora wake
 
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The Washington Post published an article in which the crippled soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine talk about heavy losses during the counteroffensive in the Kherson direction.
According to them, the Russians use all available means against them, for every 3 Ukrainian shells there are 20 Russian shells, and the losses in personnel are 5 to 1. At the same time, the settlements, the capture of which was reported by the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, are not named, and the authorities do not let Media on the front line
 
PRO NATOS(RAINBOWS GUYS) HALLO!
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One of Germany's most progressive Catholic bishops has called homosexuality "God's will", telling a Christian magazine that he has changed his mind on the issue.
Homosexuality is not God's fault but God's will, just like creation itself - said Bishop Helmut Dieser for the media Christ & Welt.
- Yes, my view has changed - he added.
The Catholic Church considers homosexuality a sin. According to the Church, being homosexual is not a crime in itself, but the homosexual act is.
 
mohamedidrisa789 said:
UTURUKI walifanya vile kwa sababu ya hasira baada ya kuona waasi waliokuwa wanawasaidia kupigwa na kupokonywa maeneo na majeshi ya SYRIA yakisaidiwa na WARUSI.

WARUSI walikubali msamaha kwa shingo upande ila wakajua kabisa ipo siku watalipa tu maana game linaendelea.mwisho wa siku WATURUKI wakaingiq kwenye 18 za WARUSI.


2020 Balyun airstrikes


Lilikuwa ni shambulio baya lililowakuta vikosi vya WATURUKI.msafara wa wanajeshi wa UTURUKI ulipukutika baaada ya kushambuliwa na ndege aina ya SU-34 bomber. Inasemekana wanajeshi zaidi ya 100 walikufa hapo hapo na wengine zaidi ya 120 walikuwa majerui,japo serikali ya UTURUKI ilisema imepoteza wanajeshi 34 na wengine 100 majeruhi.


Toka siku iyo UTURUKI AKAWA NA ESHIMA KWENYE MPAKA WAKE KWA NDEGE ZA URUSI.
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Hiyo Balyun airstrikes unaikuza sana waliokufa sio idadi hiyo na bado tunarudi point ileile mnayokwepa kwamba sio Turkey wala Israel zinaomba ruhusa kwa Russia kufanya lolote. Balyun ilitokea convoy ya majeshi ya Turkey yapo ndani ya Syria ndipo Syria na Russia zikafanya shambulizi. Hapo Russia hakuombwa ruhusa kuingia na haijawahi tokea, kisha retaliation ya Turkey ni Operation Spring Shield iliyoua wanajeshi wa Syria zaidi ya 150 na wapiganaji zaidi ya 200 wengine wakiwa chini ya Iran, wengine makabila yanayomuunga mkono Assad. Hiyo operation iliharibu silaha nyingi za Syria na uzuri Waturuki walikuwa wanarekodi wakilipua Pantsirs kwa hizi Bayraktar drones. Ndio maana vita ya Ukraine ilivyoanza nikajua Russia hawezi teswa na Bayraktars kwa vile amekutana nazo Syria zikamsumbua, bado Libya na Azerbaijan.

Russia na Turkey wakakubaliana (sio kuomba ruhusa kwa Russia) kwamba watafanya patrols pamoja kwenye M4 highway Kaskazini kule. Russia haombwi ruhusa na yeyote, hata Azerbaijan mwenyewe alivamia Armenia majeshi ya Russia yakiwepo sembuse Israel na Turkey
 
triga said:
Mkuu usiwe na ubishi wa ajabu.
1. Israel haina ubavu wa kutunishiana msuli na Urusi hata kwa jambo moja.
2. Air defences za urusi s400 ndio bora zaidi kuliko zozote zile mpk muda huu tunaoongea
3. Israel wanahitaji greenlight ya urusi ili wafanye mashambulizi yao kwenye ardhi ya syria. We ita kukubaliana au kuomba ruhusa it sounds the same to me. Km huwezi kufanya jambo lako mpk ufanye kwanza makubaliano na mtu mwingine kuhusu hilo jambo ni sawa na kuomba ruhusa tu.

Kuhusu hiyo ndege km huelewi ngoja nikueleweshe. Pale syria kuna mifumo inalinda anga la syria ya syria na ya urusi. Urusi ni ally wa syria. Ndege za urusi zinaposhuka kwenye base zake huko syria haziofii chochote maana mifumo inayoweza kuzishambulia ndege ni ya ally wao syria na ya kwao wenyewe warusi. Waisrael on the other hand ndege zao pale syria zinakuwa considered km ndege za adui. Ndege zao zilipoingia syria kwenda kushambulia automatically either s400 au s200 ya syria ingekuwa activated kulinda anga dhidi ya ndege za adui. S400 haikuwa activated kufuatia makubaliano ya pm wa israel na raisi wa urusi ila s200 za syria zikawaka.

Ilitakiwa kbl israel hajaenda kushambulia atoe taarifa kwa urusi ili waondoe ndege zao karibu na eneo la tukio na syria walitakiwa wahakikishe hakuna ndege za urusi angani wakati wakijaribu kushusha ndege za adui (israel). Hakuna aliyefanya alichotakiwa kufanya. Israel alichelewa kutoa taarifa kwa urusi kilichopelekea ndege yao kudunguliwa.

Ndege ya urusi ilikuwa ni ndege ya surveillance sio ndege vita (fighter). Ni lzm tu ingekuwa hit kwa sababu haijawa designed kujilinda na mashambulizi ya mifumo ya kulinda anga ya ardhini. Ni ndege tu ya kawaida.
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Israel haiombi ruhusa kwa kubwa jinga. Ukiingilia maslahi yake hakuombi ruhusa its either mkubaliane au mpambane, sasa niletee confrontation baina ya Soviet Union au Russia ambapo Israel iliwahi shindwa. Nakupa hii hapa Operation Rimon 20 ambayo Soviets waliufyata👇👇

Rimon 20 (Hebrew: רימון 20, Pomegranate 20) was the code name of an aerial battle in 1970 which pitted the Israeli Air Force directly against Soviet fighter pilots stationed in Egypt during the War of Attrition. Israel planned the dogfight in order to send a message that it would no longer tolerate direct Soviet military involvement in its conflict with Egypt. In the afternoon of July 30, 1970 four Israeli Mirage IIIs crossed into Egyptian airspace, flying in tight formation so as to appear as a single aircraft. As expected, four Soviet-flown MiG-21s were scrambled to intercept what they believed to be a routine Israeli reconnaissance flight. They were soon joined by an additional eight MiGs. As the Soviet fighters closed in on the Mirages, they were ambushed by four Israeli F-4 Phantoms and eight Mirage IIIs that had been lurking undetected at low altitude. An additional 12 MiG-21 reinforcements soon arrived. By the end of the close-quarters dogfight, five Soviet MiG-21s had been downed with no Israeli losses. Egyptian military leaders were pleased with the outcome of the battle because the Soviets had long been criticizing Egypt's aerial losses to Israel and attributing them to a lack of skill among Egyptian fighter pilots. The Soviets kept quiet about the incident so as to avoid the embarrassment of their defeat. It was one of the final engagements of the War of Attrition and is widely believed to have contributed to its conclusion
 
T14 Armata said:
Ukraine inapewa silaha ili pamoja na mambo mengine liwe fundisho kwa Russia kwamba hatoweza msumbua jirani yake mwingine.

Ukraine inataka kukomboa maeneo yake kama Donetsk na Luhansk na ikiwezekana Crimea, hiyo ndoto wanayo na wanataka sana tu. Sasa unasemaje wanatumika?
Nikija kwako kukufukuza na kuchukua mali zako kisha jirani yako akakusaidia kunizuia nitasema unapigana kwa ajili yake?
Kati ya Westerns na Ukraine nani ana uchungu zaidi na nchi, nani anasaidiwa na nani kavamiwa
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1. Wanatumika ..kwa kuwa awali ya yote walikubali kuuheshimu mkataba wa Minsk ambao baadaye waliutelekeza.

2. Wanatumika kwa kuwa mazungumzo ya April ..Ukros walionyesha kila dalili ya kurudi kwenye meza ya mazungumzo kuendelea ilhali waliporudi nyumbani wakageuza maneno na kukataa

Hizo 2 na sababu nyingine ni tosha kuonyesha wameshikiwa akili na sio maamjzi yao. Ni Kiongozi KICHAA pekee anaweza kutoa wananchi wake kafara kwa style ya Zelensky afanyavyo ....hata hiyo anauoiita Kherson Offensive ..bro make my words ..inae da kufanyika total anihilation ...wadau hapa watasaidi kukiletea pivha .kuna .miles and mole za train cargo ikiwa zimebeba zana za kutosha zikielekea Kherson .....sasa hizo incursion za miles sijui na vijiji ...hiyo ndo qakuu hapa wamekuambieni inaitwa Tactical withdraw .[emoji1787] ...yu wapi uule Dada yangu wa Tactical [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

Hizo minimal winnings ni traps ...kama style niliyoitumia enzi zile nikiwinda ndege ...ukitega mtego haumwekei ulimbo au mtego wenyewe kwenye punje za kwanza ...unamtamanisha ndege aokote na ashushe tahadhari ...kisha akisogea kati mtego unafanya yake.
 
Masikini_Jeuri said:
1. Wanatumika ..kwa kuwa awali ya yote walikubali kuuheshimu mkataba wa Minsk ambao baadaye waliutelekeza.

2. Wanatumika kwa kuwa mazungumzo ya April ..Ukros walionyesha kila dalili ya kurudi kwenye meza ya mazungumzo kuendelea ilhali waliporudi nyumbani wakageuza maneno na kukataa

Hizo 2 na sababu nyingine ni tosha kuonyesha wameshikiwa akili na sio maamjzi yao. Ni Kiongozi KICHAA pekee anaweza kutoa wananchi wake kafara kwa style ya Zelensky afanyavyo ....hata hiyo anauoiita Kherson Offensive ..bro make my words ..inae da kufanyika total anihilation ...wadau hapa watasaidi kukiletea pivha .kuna .miles and mole za train cargo ikiwa zimebeba zana za kutosha zikielekea Kherson .....sasa hizo incursion za miles sijui na vijiji ...hiyo ndo qakuu hapa wamekuambieni inaitwa Tactical withdraw .[emoji1787] ...yu wapi uule Dada yangu wa Tactical [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

Hizo minimal winnings ni traps ...kama style niliyoitumia enzi zile nikiwinda ndege ...ukitega mtego haumwekei ulimbo au mtego wenyewe kwenye punje za kwanza ...unamtamanisha ndege aokote na ashushe tahadhari ...kisha akisogea kati mtego unafanya yake.
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1. Hawatumiki, kwa sababu Minsk agreement iliwekwa baada ya Russia kuvunja agreement ya miaka ya 90 iliyoondoa silaha za nyuklia Ukraine. Ilivunjwa na Russia kwa kuivamia Crimea na kupigana ndani ya Donetsk na Luhansk. Hiyo ilikuwa 2014, Russia ndio mvunjaji wa kwanza wa agreement

2. Hawatumiki, kwa sababu huwezi weka silaha chini adui akikuvamia especially adui mwenyewe akiwa kubwa jinga. Nchi kubwa inaanzia Asia hadi Ulaya, jeshi la pili kwa ukubwa duniani ila miezi zaidi ya mitano haina hata 30% ya inachopigania na sasa imeanza kurudishwa nyuma. Soviets walivyopigana na Nazi Germany pamoja na watu 20 million kufa iliacha kupigana ikafanya mazungumzo?

Mbona mnalazimisha mazungumzo ya superpower uchwara
 
Dunia ni mwendo wa kutunishinia misuli tu
The current tension with Turkey could escalate into a second open conflict in Europe, Greece tells allies - AP
 
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