Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

lee van cliff said:
Kama kawaida Yako kukwepa hoja zako pale unapoona watu wamegundua kua ulitaka kuwapeleka Chaka.
Naona Sasa mjadala umehamia kwenye tafasiri za maneno.
Invasion,attack,strike.

Sasa hivi umetoka kwenye hoja Yako mama,Sasa tunajadili lugha.
Kwako wewe sijua uvamizi inatakiwa uchukie muda Gani,maana unasema Japan ule haukua.uvamizi maana ulichukua sijui masaa muchache halafu wakaondoka.

Wewe ulisema hakuna nchi inayowaza kujaribu kuvamia Marekani,Sasa Mimi nimekutajia nchi zinazowaza na hata nchi iliyowahi kuivamia Marekani Japan.
Kuhusu kuchukua mda mfupi wa uvamizi wao hilo ni jambo lingine,lkn waliweza kutoka Japan Hadi Marekani na wakafanya Yao.
Walishinda hawakushinda hiyo kwangu Mimi ni hoja nyingine.

Pia kama kuvamia Kuna maana nyingine zaidi ya hiyo ninayoielezea basi tunatofautiana tafasiri. kiswahili hakina maneno mengi yenye maana moja kama kiingereza.
Nimekuwekea hapo chini wameandika why did Japan invade USA ?
Ingawa ndani wameelezea pia attack.lkn hoja yangu nilikua nakupinga kua hakuna nchi inayowaza kuivamia Marekani,Japan walivamia bana.


Why did Japan invade the USA?


Why did the Japanese attack the USA? - The answer is oil. Japan had been modernising its economy throughout the 20th century and wanted to build an empire of its own. However, Japan lacked the natural resources to make it a reality, with all but 6% of its oil supply being


KK.
kwa Nini umeing'ang'ania sana KK kuwa haiwezi kwenda na Sub zake za diesel,wewe mtanzania mwenzangu unajuaje uwezo wa KK kijeshi wa Siri zaidi ya huo tunaoujua hapa Mimi na wewe?

unavyoongea as if unajua siri zote za jeshi la KK,wakati hata CIA MI6 na wengine wote haWajui uwezo wake wote.
siku za nyuma,watu waliidharau Iran hivihivi kama unavyodharau KK wewe,lon Iran imeweza kuwashangaza wengi,sio TU kwa drone zake Bali tokea ule mkasa wa kuishusha drone ya USA,kupiga Kambi ya USA huko iraq.
Haya yote wewe uliyajua?
kwa hiyo KK usiidharau,kumbuka USA inaisakama sana ,hivyo nayo inafikiria Nini Cha kufanya.

halafu ulisema hakuna nchi inayowaza hata kufikiria kuivamia Marekani,Mimi nikakupa nchi tatu Urusi china na KK zinaweza kuivamia,lkn wewe umeing'ang'ania KK,umeacha kuongelea Urusi na china..
Sasa Mimi nakuambia Urusi ama china Zina uwezo Kila moja kivyake kuivamia Marekani Matokeo yatakuaje Mimi sijui,Kwa sababu hata Marekani inaweza kizivamianpia nchi hizo kwa Kila moja,lkn pia matokeo yake yatakuaje, Mimi Pia sijui.
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Sijajua kwanini ametumia neno KUWAZA.Unajua hata mimi ninawaza kuivamia Marekani,ila matokeo yake ndio sijui.

ILA umemjibu vizuri sana,na nadhani hata yeye amejua kwamba umemjibu vizuri ila anaweka vizingiti ili madini yatiririke
 
Isanga family said:
Daah kilichobaki ni uongo uongo tu kama Ali sahafu wa Iraq...Urusi battle imemshinda ni vile aliaminisha Dunia hata mimi niliamini kwake ni vita nyepesi anashindwa kusitisha ingawaje kila siku anaachia maeneo aliyoyateka mwanzo yaani Putin anakufa kiume..
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Al sahaf alikuwa kituko sana[emoji23]
 
T14 Armata said:
Yote haya hayaonyeshi ni namna gani North Korea inaweza vamia Marekani. Makombora ya nyuklia ndio yanavamia? Narudia kukuuliza unajua tofauti ya invasion na strike au unaongea uonekane nawe upo?

Japan ilishambulia Marekani. Ile ni strike au attack, sio invasion. Ndio maana ilitumia lisaa tu wakalipualipua wakakimbia. Ungesoma tangu mwanzo kuelewa ungeelewa ila kwa vile umekuja kichwa kichwa kubisha na bado unakaza kichwa huwezi elewa.

Nakuuliza tena. North Korea anaivamia Marekani kwa kutumia nini? Hizo diesel subs chache zenye crew ya watu 30 sijui ndio zitafanya beach landing na kusecure shores? Au atatuma paratroopers kwa kutumia ungo?

Yani ukae hapa usubiri Marekani aanze kuchimba trenchs, ajenge concrete pyramids kwenye line kumzuia adui? Unaishi dunia gani mzee.

Tukianza kusema China itaivamia Taiwan, silaha za kuvamia zipo na mechanism ipo inaonekana. Ukianza kusema nchi fulani itaivamia Marekani, nikiuliza utumie mwezi hapa kuomba ushauri ni nini kitatumika kuivamia Marekani jibu huna. Hutoona boots on ground ya adui kwenye ardhi ya Marekani. Pigs flying!
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Defensive Line ya US ni NATO, mbona hili liko wazi sana Mkuu.
 
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Zelenskyy: Ukraine is destroying worlds second army​

Ukrainska Pravda
Mon, October 24, 2022, 10:15 PM·1 min read
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  • Volodymyr Zelensky

    Volodymyr Zelensky
    Sixth and current President of Ukraine

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ALONA MAZURENKO – MONDAY, 24 OCTOBER 2022, 22:15
President Volodymyr Zelenskyy believes that following eight months of the full-scale war with Russia, the Ukrainian army is destroying the so-called "world’s second army".
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Huku nuke zikiwa store, Russia angetumia Kila alichonacho kama anavyofanya yeye ingekuwaje
 
lee van cliff said:
Kama kawaida Yako kukwepa hoja zako pale unapoona watu wamegundua kua ulitaka kuwapeleka Chaka.
Naona Sasa mjadala umehamia kwenye tafasiri za maneno.
Invasion,attack,strike.

Sasa hivi umetoka kwenye hoja Yako mama,Sasa tunajadili lugha.
Kwako wewe sijua uvamizi inatakiwa uchukie muda Gani,maana unasema Japan ule haukua.uvamizi maana ulichukua sijui masaa muchache halafu wakaondoka.

Wewe ulisema hakuna nchi inayowaza kujaribu kuvamia Marekani,Sasa Mimi nimekutajia nchi zinazowaza na hata nchi iliyowahi kuivamia Marekani Japan.
Kuhusu kuchukua mda mfupi wa uvamizi wao hilo ni jambo lingine,lkn waliweza kutoka Japan Hadi Marekani na wakafanya Yao.
Walishinda hawakushinda hiyo kwangu Mimi ni hoja nyingine.

Pia kama kuvamia Kuna maana nyingine zaidi ya hiyo ninayoielezea basi tunatofautiana tafasiri. kiswahili hakina maneno mengi yenye maana moja kama kiingereza.
Nimekuwekea hapo chini wameandika why did Japan invade USA ?
Ingawa ndani wameelezea pia attack.lkn hoja yangu nilikua nakupinga kua hakuna nchi inayowaza kuivamia Marekani,Japan walivamia bana.


Why did Japan invade the USA?


Why did the Japanese attack the USA? - The answer is oil. Japan had been modernising its economy throughout the 20th century and wanted to build an empire of its own. However, Japan lacked the natural resources to make it a reality, with all but 6% of its oil supply being


KK.
kwa Nini umeing'ang'ania sana KK kuwa haiwezi kwenda na Sub zake za diesel,wewe mtanzania mwenzangu unajuaje uwezo wa KK kijeshi wa Siri zaidi ya huo tunaoujua hapa Mimi na wewe?

unavyoongea as if unajua siri zote za jeshi la KK,wakati hata CIA MI6 na wengine wote haWajui uwezo wake wote.
siku za nyuma,watu waliidharau Iran hivihivi kama unavyodharau KK wewe,lon Iran imeweza kuwashangaza wengi,sio TU kwa drone zake Bali tokea ule mkasa wa kuishusha drone ya USA,kupiga Kambi ya USA huko iraq.
Haya yote wewe uliyajua?
kwa hiyo KK usiidharau,kumbuka USA inaisakama sana ,hivyo nayo inafikiria Nini Cha kufanya.

halafu ulisema hakuna nchi inayowaza hata kufikiria kuivamia Marekani,Mimi nikakupa nchi tatu Urusi china na KK zinaweza kuivamia,lkn wewe umeing'ang'ania KK,umeacha kuongelea Urusi na china..
Sasa Mimi nakuambia Urusi ama china Zina uwezo Kila moja kivyake kuivamia Marekani Matokeo yatakuaje Mimi sijui,Kwa sababu hata Marekani inaweza kizivamianpia nchi hizo kwa Kila moja,lkn pia matokeo yake yatakuaje, Mimi Pia sijui.
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Unajilambalamba tuu jamaa kakushinda hoja
 
T14 Armata said:
Yote haya hayaonyeshi ni namna gani North Korea inaweza vamia Marekani. Makombora ya nyuklia ndio yanavamia? Narudia kukuuliza unajua tofauti ya invasion na strike au unaongea uonekane nawe upo?

Japan ilishambulia Marekani. Ile ni strike au attack, sio invasion. Ndio maana ilitumia lisaa tu wakalipualipua wakakimbia. Ungesoma tangu mwanzo kuelewa ungeelewa ila kwa vile umekuja kichwa kichwa kubisha na bado unakaza kichwa huwezi elewa.

Nakuuliza tena. North Korea anaivamia Marekani kwa kutumia nini? Hizo diesel subs chache zenye crew ya watu 30 sijui ndio zitafanya beach landing na kusecure shores? Au atatuma paratroopers kwa kutumia ungo?

Yani ukae hapa usubiri Marekani aanze kuchimba trenchs, ajenge concrete pyramids kwenye line kumzuia adui? Unaishi dunia gani mzee.

Tukianza kusema China itaivamia Taiwan, silaha za kuvamia zipo na mechanism ipo inaonekana. Ukianza kusema nchi fulani itaivamia Marekani, nikiuliza utumie mwezi hapa kuomba ushauri ni nini kitatumika kuivamia Marekani jibu huna. Hutoona boots on ground ya adui kwenye ardhi ya Marekani. Pigs flying!
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Unafikiri Mexico anafurahi alivyopokonywa majimbo yake !!?? Unasema tu ETI .... Marekani ni kuongea tu na Canada na Mexico Ili asivamiwe labda Canada chawa wake lakini sio Mexico..... Nakuuuliza tena unafikiri Mexico anafurahi kupoteza majimbo yake!!?? Acha ujuaji mwingi .....INAWEZA kupigwa proxy war hapohapo Marekani kutokea Mexico hilo Moja, Pili unasema China ana uwezo wa kuvamia kisiwa Cha Taiwan (awali ulisema Hakuna wa kuvamia Marekani Kwa kuwa haipakani na nchi zaidi ya Mexico na Canada ) Kwa kuwa ana uwezo na vifaaa ila China kuvamia Taiwan inawezekana.... Kwani Urusi hawezi kuingia Hapo Alaska !!?? Alaska ni Mafinga eti!!??
 
Aisee huyu kamanda Surovikin ni nouma...anatumia mbinu za kibabe vitani...

Alijifanya kutangaza kuwa hali ya mapigano ni tete huko Kherson. Akadai kuwa jeshi lake litaondoka maeneno hayo. Na wakajifanya kama wanafanya hivyo (retreat) pamoja na kuondoa raia. Kumbe jamaa kwa njia nyinginezo ndio anamimina wanajeshi wa Urusi kwa wingi zaidi na zana zaidi ili awatie nyavuni wanajeshi wa Ukraine watakaojipeleka kichwakichwa kama nyumbu.

Vita ni mbinu muraa...
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Mobilised Russians to wear Iranian-made bulletproof vests and helmets​

Ukrainska Pravda

Mon, October 24, 2022, 5:05 PM·2 min read

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IRYNA BALACHUK — MONDAY, 24 OCTOBER 2022, 17:05

The Russian government is unable to provide the new wave of conscripts with sufficient Russian-made ammunition, so it has started using equipment manufactured in Iran.

Source: Defence Intelligence of Ukraine

Quote: "Due to its inability to provide the new wave of conscripts with the necessary ammunition of its own production, the Russian Federation is starting to use Iranian-made equipment. 3,000 pieces of body armour are shortly to be transferred - 1,500 bulletproof vests and 1,500 helmets
 
Majeshi ya Urusi yamemla kichwa (yamemuua kikatili) mwanajeshi wa Israel (former IDF solder) aitwaye Dymitro Pialka (39) aliyejiingiza kwenye kuipiga vita Urusi huko Donetsk nchini Urusi mwezi uliopita (September).

Kudadeki Urusi yapeleka misiba hadi kwa taifa teule😆😅🤣😂😇.
Mwili wake ulizuiwa na majeshi ya Urusi, na ukakabidhiwa baadae kwa serikali ya Ukraine kupitia prisoner exchange deal iliyofanyika mwezi huu wa October.

Taifa teule limeufyata!
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An Israeli citizen from Lviv, Ukraine was buried in his hometown this weekend after being killed in battle during the war against Russian forces in the Donetsk region of Eastern Ukraine.

Dmytro Pialka, who was 39 years old at the time of his death, immigrated to Israel at the age of 15. He served in the IDF and was a soccer coach for Maccabi Beer Sheba’s urban youth team. He returned to Lviv and worked as a soccer coach in 2015 before taking up arms to defend Ukraine amid the Ukraine-Russia War.

He fell in battle at the beginning of September. The Federation of Jewish Communities of Ukraine (FJCU) worked behind the scenes to reach his body, together with senior government officials in Kyiv. His body was eventually returned to the Ukrainians as part of a prisoner exchange deal in early October.

Pialka’s ties in Israel​

Pialka has a mother and a younger brother who currently reside in Israel. His family wanted his body to be returned to Israel for burial, but it was Pialka’s wife’s wish that the body remained in Lviv for burial.

Smoke rises over the city after Russian missile strikes, amid Russia's attack on Ukraine, in Lviv, Ukraine, October 10, 2022. (credit: REUTERS/PAVLO PALAMARCHUK).

The funeral, which was held with the participation of the city's Rabbi Shlomo Bled, was attended by hundreds of people, including his family members, close friends and members of the Lviv Jewish community.
"We are happy that at least Dmytro Pialka was given an Israeli grave."
-FJCU statement
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"Roughly 100 Jews have been killed in the war so far, including soldiers who fought on the front and also civilians who lost their lives in the Russian bombings,” the FJCU said in a statement, “Unfortunately, despite our attempts, we are unable to reach everybody and bring it to the Israeli grave.

Some of the bodies were buried in public parks and in mass graves. We are happy that at least Dmytro Pialka was given an Israeli grave. May his memory be blessed," the statement concluded.
 
Sky news
Ukraine’s military destroys 3 ammunition depots in southern Ukraine.
Ukraine’s Operational Command “South” reported that Ukrainian forces also killed 40 Russian troops and destroyed three tanks, an anti-aircraft missile system "Osa,” and six armored vehicles on Oct. 24. Ukrainian forces also reportedly shot down an Orlan-10 UAV and an Iranian-made Shahed-131 kamikaze drone in Kherson Oblast.
 
Nkuba25 said:
Mkuu naomba niku sahihishe kidogo... US hauzi silaha hapo Ukraine

US yeye ndiye anapigana Vita hapo Ukraine. Sasa unawezaje kuwa wewe ndiye unapigana Vita halafu wewe ndiye "unajiuzia silaha".

Hiyo Vita hapo ni Kati ya US/NATO na Russia. Ukraine Wala sio yeye anayepigana Vita.

Ndio maana Zelensky kila siku anatoa demands... Ili muendelee kupigana Vita kwenye ardhi yangu, Sasa embu nipeni dollar kadhaa wa kadha...
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Ahsante MKUU

aione ulimi waupanga
 

Urusi yamuua 'kikatili' mwanajeshi wa Israel kwenye mapigano huko Donetsk, Russia

Majeshi ya Urusi yamemla kichwa (yamemuua kikatili) mwanajeshi wa Israel (former IDF solder) aitwaye Dymitro Pialka (39) aliyejiingiza kwenye kuipiga vita Urusi huko Donetsk mwezi uliopita (September). Kudadeki Urusi yapeleka misiba hadi kwa taifa teule😆😅🤣😂😇. Mwili wake ulizuiwa na majeshi ya...
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