Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

[Deeboyfrexh]

Hata hivyo basi Hakuna haja ya f 16 kufika huko Kama TU AD Ni kitisho hivyo

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Hapo Kyiv ni eneo la mwisho, patapigwa katika namna ya pekee sana. Hakuna cha AD wala ushuzi. Zitashuka Hypersonic hapo hadi yabakie magofu tu.

Pataangamizwa tu na kujengwa upya.

 

[Deeboyfrexh]

Uwaga napata ukakasi sana pale napoona eti mtu anadai kwamba Russians wanapigana na Ukrainians.

Najiuliza, je huyu mtu ana akili timamu kweli?

Kwa sasa, Russia anapigana na collective west. Russia anapigana na NATO yote (including kiongozi wao US), na sio Ukraine peke yake.

Na ndio maana unaona hao NATO wanapeleka vifaa vita, instructors, fedha, wana mobilise watu wa kupigana, wana train watu wa kupigana huko Ukraine, wanapeleka vifaru, wanaweka Sanctions.

Sasa hii narrative ya kwamba Russia anapigana na Ukraine only inatokea wapi?

Kuna watu vichwa vyao havi function zaidi ya kufugia nywele tu.

Haiingii akili useme mtu amepewa mtihani wa hesabu wa darasa la 2 wenye maswali hadi ya maumbo na algebra ambazo ni topic za darasa la 6 na la 7 halafu mtu akaze ubongo kuwa huo mtihani sio wa darasa la saba eti kwa sababu haujaandikwa ni mtihani wa darasa la 7 ila unaona uwepo wa maswali ya maumbo na algebra. Ni mpuuzi pekee atakayeamini ni paper ya la pili.

 

[Mathanzua]

Russia hana uwezo wa kupigana conventiona War na NATO ndio maana Uingereza amekuwa anajiamini sana mbele ya Russia.

Russia ni overated, imagine hii ni Ukraine, ndio imaplelekea moto hivi,

Imagine Typhoon, Rafale, F-16, F-35, F-22, Tanks zote za maifa ya ulaya ziwe Ukraine au Finland kwa ajili ya kuvuka mpaka kuingia Russia, naona why Russia anaogopa sana majirani zake kuwa na nguvu au Nchi za Kidemokrasia

Urusi inapigana vita na US,NATO na the collective West mkuu,wakiwatumia Ukraine kama "Cannon Fodder," usijidanganye.This is a proxy war.Kama ingekuwa Ukraine peke yake,Russia would have overan it a long time ago.

 

[Omary - Msamalia]

Kwa nini wanasitasita kupeleka hivo vitu ulivyovitaja hapo kumsaidia Ukraine?Wewe unafikiri West wangekuwa na uhakika 100% kuwa hivyo vyuma vingekuwa game changer wangekuwa wanaviangalia tu??

Nyie pia mmekuwa mnawa-over-estimate sana hao WEST, mkiamini wanaweza kufanya watakavyo..au kuwapinga wao ni sawa na kumpinga Mungu.
Mnaamini katika Western based rules and values instead of International based rules and values...Dunia inaenda kuwa multipolar..watu wajifanyie maamuzi yao bila kuangalia agenda ya west.

Russia kafungua njia...na nchi nyingi tu zinaamka na kuwa na misimamo yao dhidi ya ujinga na kujipendelea kwa West, mfano India, China..kuna Arabia pale...wameanza kuonesha misimamo yao, achilia mbali Iran..hata sisi Africa..hatutaki ujinga wa kupelekeshwa...Zelensky alipoomba kulialia kwa AU...watu walimpuuza...aliongea na viongozi 4 tu kati ya 52.....

Kule South America ndo kwanza hawana habari na mgogoro huu...wamekausha kabisa..wanaendelea na issues zao..sababu wanajua ujinga ujinga wa hawa Wazungu.

Wazungu wataelewa tu..in 50 years to come balance of power itashift kupita maelezo...
"Mfa maji hakosi kutapatapa" Ulimwengu umebadilika....mambo ya West kujiona miungu watu yanaenda kuisha...

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Kwa nini wanasita?

Hakukuwa na maana yoyote ya kuivamia Ukraine in first place.

 

[Omary - Msamalia]

Hata wakiwa wote hawawezi na wanalijua hilo. Kile wanachopambania huko Ukraine ni uhai wao. Maana ikienda Ukraine kwisha habari yao.

Pro Russia mna tatizo la basic reasoning,

Why Russia hataki Ukraine ajiunge EU au NATO?

 

[TZ-1]

KUNA WATU WANAUSHABIKI ATAKAMA JAMBO WANALILO NA UHALISIA WAKE
HADI LEO MTU ANASEMA UKRAINE ANAPGAN NA MRUSI

WAMEJIZIMA DATA HAWA CHAWAAA

Uwaga napata ukakasi sana pale napoona eti mtu anadai kwamba Russians wanapigana na Ukrainians.

Najiuliza, je huyu mtu ana akili timamu kweli?

Kwa sasa, Russia anapigana na collective west. Russia anapigana na NATO yote (including kiongozi wao US), na sio Ukraine peke yake.

Na ndio maana unaona hao NATO wanapeleka vifaa vita, instructors, fedha, wana mobilise watu wa kupigana, wana train watu wa kupigana huko Ukraine, wanapeleka vifaru, wanaweka Sanctions.

Sasa hii narrative ya kwamba Russia anapigana na Ukraine only inatokea wapi?

 

[Omary - Msamalia]

Ukrainian military almost never launch HIMARS rocket rounds at Russian targets without detailed coordinates provided by the U.S. military," - Washington Post

Then why Russia havamii huko Marekani au sehemu hizo command zinatokea

 

[Omary - Msamalia]

KUNA WATU WANAUSHABIKI ATAKAMA JAMBO WANALILO NA UHALISIA WAKE
HADI LEO MTU ANASEMA UKRAINE ANAPGAN NA MRUSI

WAMEJIZIMA DATA HAWA CHAWAAA

Kwa nini Russia hajatangaza vita na hayo mataifa yanapigana pamoja na Ukraine?

 

[Omary - Msamalia]

Uwaga napata ukakasi sana pale napoona eti mtu anadai kwamba Russians wanapigana na Ukrainians.

Najiuliza, je huyu mtu ana akili timamu kweli?

Kwa sasa, Russia anapigana na collective west. Russia anapigana na NATO yote (including kiongozi wao US), na sio Ukraine peke yake.

Na ndio maana unaona hao NATO wanapeleka vifaa vita, instructors, fedha, wana mobilise watu wa kupigana, wana train watu wa kupigana huko Ukraine, wanapeleka vifaru, wanaweka Sanctions.

Sasa hii narrative ya kwamba Russia anapigana na Ukraine only inatokea wapi?

Kwa nini Russia hajatangaza vita na hayo mataifa yanapigana pamoja na Ukraine?

 

[Omary - Msamalia]

Urusi inapigana vita na Urusi na US,NATO na the West mkuu,wakiwatumia Ukraine kama Cannon Fodder, usijidanganye.This is a proxy war.Kama ingekuwa Ukraine peke yake,Russia would have overan it a long time ago.

Kwa nini Russia hajatangaza vita na hayo mataifa yanapigana pamoja na Ukraine?

 

[Omary - Msamalia]

Hapo Kyiv ni eneo la mwisho, patapigwa katika namna ya pekee sana. Hakuna cha AD wala ushuzi. Zitashuka Hypersonic hapo hadi yabakie magofu tu.

Pataangamizwa tu na kujengwa upya.

Hypersonic are too expensive and don't add any tactical value than deterrent ndio maana Husikii tena Wizara ya Ulinzi ya Urusi ikisema tena bullshit za Hypersonic.

Russia at the end itabidi akae mezani sababu ya cost ya vita na little to no progress

 

[TZ-1]

MAAMUZ ya vita kamili yana hatua zake , alafu unajizama data Mrusi hayupo vtan yupo kwenye SMO tulia kwa kutulia

Kwa nini Russia hajatangaza vita na hayo mataifa yanapigana pamoja na Ukraine?

 

[Omary - Msamalia]

Neno kwa Pro Russia.

Mwelevu ni yule anayeweza kushinda vita bila kumwaga damu, kama Russia ni Adui wa NATO basi NATO wakirefusha vita yake kwa muda mrefu, wanakuwa na Strategic advantage kuliko Russia.

Mwaka Jana sababu ya Russia kuivamia Ukraine walisema inampango wa kujiunga na NATO, then Finland anakaribia kujiunga na NATO na Russia hana tena uwezo wa kuendesha vita on multiple fronts, hii inaonesha namna Serikali za kiimla kama Russia zilivyo za ovyo

 

[Mathanzua]

Kwa nini Russia hajatangaza vita na hayo mataifa yanapigana pamoja na Ukraine?

Sina hakika kwa nini Russia hawajatangaza vita kamili,ingawa to me wako kwenye vita kamili(conventional warfare) na mataifa yote ya magharibi.Hata hivyo tuwaachie wao waamue,after all sioni what they can't do by not proclaiming that they are at war with the collective West and NATO.

May be you can pick some points from the following link on why they have not announced a full scale war.

Special operations warfare | Tactics, Strategies & History | Britannica

Special operations warfare, unconventional military actions against enemy vulnerabilities that are undertaken by specially designated, selected, trained, equipped, and supported units known as special forces or special operations forces (SOF). Special operations are often conducted in conjunction

www.britannica.com

 

[T14 Armata]

Hizo silaha zitakazokuja kwamaoni yako na mawazo yako unahisi zitafanikiwa

A-kuyaondoa majeshi ya RUSSIA katika maeneo wanayoyadhibibi hapo UKRAINE

B-kuyaondoa kabisa majeshi ya RUSSIA hapo UKRAINE nakuyarejesha RUSSIA

Halaf zile silaha za awali walizopewa zimeenda wapi na kama zimeisha zimeleta mafanikio gani huko fild

Mwisho bila ya NATO kuingia mazima huko UKRAINE hakuna kitakacho badilika ila pia tusidanganyane UKRAINE imegeuka jehannam

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Hazitasaidia chochote ndio maana mlitaka zisije na mkatishia mikwara mbuzi kwamba nchi yoyote itakayotoa silaha itapigwa

 

[Is_haq91]

Neno kwa Pro Russia.

Mwelevu ni yule anayeweza kushinda vita bila kumwaga damu, kama Russia ni Adui wa NATO basi NATO wakirefusha vita yake kwa muda mrefu, wanakuwa na Strategic advantage kuliko Russia.

Mwaka Jana sababu ya Russia kuivamia Ukraine walisema inampango wa kujiunga na NATO, then Finland anakaribia kujiunga na NATO na Russia hana tena uwezo wa kuendesha vita on multiple fronts, hii inaonesha namna Serikali za kiimla kama Russia zilivyo za ovyo

Umelala umeamka unasema russia anapigana na Ukraine kisa kujiunga nato ila hujui au hujaskia toka 2014 Kyiv Alikuwa anawapiga eastern part of Ukraine kisaa wamekataa utawala wao uloekwa na marekan. Inasikitisha sanaaa

 

[Deeboyfrexh]

Hypersonic are too expensive and don't add any tactical value than deterrent ndio maana Husikii tena Wizara ya Ulinzi ya Urusi ikisema tena bullshit za Hypersonic.

Russia at the end itabidi akae mezani sababu ya cost ya vita na little to no progress

Russia akae mezani au NATO wakae mezani na Russia.

 

[Sikirimimimasikini]

Marekani yakiri North Korea imeonesha makombora mengi sana ya nyuklia ya ICBM yanayoweza kuishinda mifumo ya ulinzi wa anga ya Marekani na kuiteketeza Marekani yote.

 

[Deeboyfrexh]

Sina hakika kwa nini Russia hawajatangaza vita kamili,ingawa to me wako kwenyeb vita kamili(conventional warfare) na mataifa yote ya magharibi.Hata hivyo tuwaachie wao waamue,after all sioni what they can't do by not proclaiming that the are at war with the collective West and NATO.

May be you can pick some points from the following link on why they have not announced a full scale war.

Special operations warfare | Tactics, Strategies & History | Britannica

Special operations warfare, unconventional military actions against enemy vulnerabilities that are undertaken by specially designated, selected, trained, equipped, and supported units known as special forces or special operations forces (SOF). Special operations are often conducted in conjunction

www.britannica.com

Kutanganza vita kamili kunakuja na consequences thus why kipigo kinatembea under Proxy.

 

[Deeboyfrexh]

Kwa nini Russia hajatangaza vita na hayo mataifa yanapigana pamoja na Ukraine?

Vita haitangazwi kizembe bila calculated risks associated na huo uamuzi. Kama unaona utaumia zaidi uki declare vita kamili basi mkong'oto utaendelea katika hali iliopo. Kipigo cha kimya kimya.