Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

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Check hii hapa fiscal budget ya DOD U.S.A 2024, asee hawa jamaa huwa hawakurupuki, yaani vita ya Ukraine ipo mpaka kwenye budget ya Mmarekani [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23].

 

[Kakijana]

Jamani tumepata picha nyingi sana zilizoonyesha waziwazi jinsi gani vifaru vya kirusi vilivyolipuka.
Sasa wenzetu wanataka kutuaminisha hao wanaweza pia - ila wanaleta picha mara ya trekta inayolipuka, mara ya magari yasiyotambulika.
Ninakubali kabisa: Hadi wanapata picha ya mkia wa Leopard (ni aina ya paka, sivyo??) simwamini mvindaji. Maana tangu zama za mawe wavindaji walikuwa hodari sana kusimulia hadithi jinsi walivyofanikiwa. Ila uthibitisho ilikuwa steki kubwa pamoja na mkia wa paka. Walete!
Ona hapa:

Videos Keep Circulating That Claim Destruction Of German Leopard 2 Tanks

Propagandists have continued to share videos across social media in an effort to "prove" Moscow's claims that a number of the tanks have been destroyed

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Videos Keep Circulating That Claim Destruction Of German Leopard 2 Tanks In Ukraine​

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A member of the Spanish military secures a cover to the gun of a Leopard 2E tank during a training ... [+] exercise for the Ukrainian military, at the San Gregorio military base outside Zaragoza, Spain, on Monday, March 13, 2023. The issue of military aid for Ukraine has stoked tensions within Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez’s governing coalition with its junior partner, the far-left Unidas Podemos party, urging the administration to focus on pushing for peace instead of sending weaponry. Photographer: Paul Hanna/Bloomberg
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In what could be described as "wishful" thinking, videos and photos purporting to show the destruction of German-made Leopard 2 main battle tanks (MBTs) in Ukraine continue to circulate on social media this week.
It was on Tuesday that Russian state media outlet Ria Novosti published video footage on the social messaging platform Telegram that it said confirmed that a number of the advanced tanks—considered by military analysts to be among the best in service today—had come under fire.
Viewers on social media quickly debunked the claims, noting that the vehicles were actually farm harvesters.

Destroyed Leopard 2?​

However, pro-Kremlin propagandists have continued to share videos across social media in an effort to "prove" Moscow's claims that a number of the tanks have been destroyed in what is believed to be the opening stages of Kyiv's long-anticipated spring offensive in the Zaporizhzhia Region.
One recent example showing the alleged destruction of a Leopard 2 was posted to Twitter on Thursday morning by @WarMonitors. In the 38-second-long clip, recorded by an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) and released by the Russian Ministry of Defense, a number of armored vehicles can be seen coming under fire. At least one appears to have been disabled in the fighting.
UkraineWeaponsTracker (@UAWeapons) also shared the video, claiming, "#Ukraine: For the first time, a Ukrainian Leopard 2A4 tank was destroyed by the Russian army during the recent Ukrainian attack near Novopokrovka, #Zaporizhzhia Oblast."

Misinformation Campaigns​

The truth certainly has been a casualty in the ongoing conflict, and both Kyiv and Moscow continue to make claims about the losses of the other side. However, Russia has long employed disinformation campaigns, while releasing highly edited videos that have often been presented out of context.
Though the videos shared on Thursday were more convincing than the footage of the "farm harvester" from earlier in the week, it is hard to confirm that it was a Leopard 2, or other Western MBT, that came under fire and was destroyed.
"I have watched and re-watched the video, and at best, can say that the clip is spliced together showing two different events: First an indirect fire barrage on what appears to be a column of armored personnel carriers (APCs) and armor; and second, a burning vehicle somewhat distant from that column of APCs and armor. Whether it is a Leopard 2 or not, is not obvious," explained military vehicles historian John Adams-Graf, editor of History in Motion, the magazine of the Military Vehicle Preservation Association.

Facts On The Leopard 2​

The third-generation Leopard 2 was developed by Krauss-Maffei in the 1970s and it replaced the Leopard 1 as the West German Army's primary MBT in 1979. It continues to be employed by the armed forces of Germany and has been exported to several NATO allies, as well as to the nations of Chile, Indonesia, and Singapore.
It was in January that Berlin announced it would allow Leopard 2s in service with other European nations to be re-exported to aid Ukraine, while Germany later agreed to supply Kyiv with a number of the tanks as well.
Despite its reputation for being among the very best MBTs in service, it isn't indestructible of course.
One took significant damage while another was destroyed in Afghanistan – victims of Taliban IEDs (improvised explosive devices). In addition, at least three and perhaps more in operation with the Turkish military have been destroyed or heavily damaged fighting ISIS forces in Syria.

Misunderstandings In The Fog Of War​

It is worth noting that the "fog of war" can further confuse matters, which make it hard to confirm if any Leopard 2 tanks have actually destroyed. Such is the case today with Russian soldiers, but also with those armchair experts who are relying on grainy footage taken by a drone.
Even those on the ground in wartime may not know what they're seeing.
"During World War II, most American GIs that encountered a German tank in combat declared it was a 'Tiger' whether it was a Pzkw. III, IV, Panther, or something else," added Adams-Graf.
"Tiger" became a good catch-all term among American soldiers as it sounded downright frightening. It was Nazi Germany's heaviest tank, and viewers of the film Fury will understand why it was so feared.
"Perhaps, we are experiencing that same phenomenon: Every burning Ukraine vehicle is now a 'Leopard,'" Adams-Graf continued. "Regardless, with the prevalent use of deepfake videos, it will be hard for anyone to verify combat results unless they were standing in the midst of the action."
And that is a good point.
Video editing is simpler than ever—while even some video game footage has already been passed off as being recorded in Ukraine. So until footage from the ground is presented of a destroyed Leopard 2, it is impossible to say for sure if any of the big cats have actually been put down.

Nikuulize swali rahisi mkuu, hivi taifa moja linaweza kuwazidi propaganda mataifa 30+ yenye chuki dhidi ya taifa hilo moja?

Kwa mfano... Yaani mtoto wa mchepuko wako ambae sio wako wa kumzaa anaweza kuizidi mirathi familia ya baba yako mzazi?
Acheni hizo basi...

 

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"....hivi karibuni wataishiwa silaha na wataanza kuwategemea magharibi."View attachment 2659911BBC

Hana jipya juzi ametangaza kaishiwa silaha, anawachangisha raia wake wakatwe mishahara yao 2% kuchangia vita ya Ukraine, hana uchumi hana mavi vita ata miaka 2 hakufika

 

[lee Vladimir cleef]

Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan wa UAE yuko Russia kukutana na Putin, sijui wana mazungumzo gani.

Anatarajia kuongea na mbabe wa Dunia.
Mwamba mmoja anakabiliana na vichwa zaidi ya 40

 

[Mzee Ngonyani]

L

Umeshawahi kujiuliza kwanini after cold war,over 50% ya wanachama wapya wengi ni from Eastern Europe??

USA na NATO wanaweka nguvu kubwa kupata wanachama kutoka hilo eneo??
USA ni nchi kutoka Bara la America ,do you think why kwenye Bara la America hakuna mwanachama wa NATO isipokuwa USA?

Lengo la Usa ni kuitawala ulaya lakini kikwazo ni Russia, ukreini ni chambo tu

 

[Mzee Ngonyani]

Ku

Mkuu mbona hili liko wazi na sehem ya mkataba iliwekwa hapa, Kati ya State department na Russian nahis ilikua 1992, term moja wapo ilikua there will be no expernsion of NATO kwenda East of German. .sema nimesahau nilihifadh wapi ile sehem ya document lakin kuna wadau waliiweka humu.

Na makubaliano na mkataba nazani Marekani alifanya makubaliano na Gorbachevau Yeltsin ya kutotanua mipaka ya NATO,Viongozi wapya wa Marekani hawataki kuzingatia hilo.

 

[D A E M U S H I N]

Wafaransa na utani wa ngumi za meno

 

[D A E M U S H I N]

Akiwa kwenye mjengo wa wizara ya ulinzi ya russia, sijui amekwenda kufanya nini
utabiri uchwara:
kiko wapi kwa wale waliosema jamaa hatotii agizo.

 

[lee Vladimir cleef]

Usilete ngonjera mkuu...humu watu wanajua kwa nini hao jamaa wanatwangana.Hakuna asiyejua janjajanja ya USA....Hakuna asiyejua kuwa kikwazo kwa total control ya ulimwengu huu kwa USA ni Russia...Na hata uki-refer wanasiasa wa USA hata huyu Biden, alisema wazi changamoto zitakazotokea baada ya USA kujaribu kuwavuta Ukraine NATO
Hakuna asiyejua kuwa 2014 palikua na coup Ukraine..kupinduliwa kwa serikali iliyokuwa fruendly kwa Moscow na ikaingia serikali iliyo ant-Russia, mambo hayo ndo ya chanzo cha mzozo wa sasa...
Inajulikana tu pia kuwa coup ya Ukraine (2014) ilikuwa ni practice kwa ajili ya kitakachotokea Urusi...ikapelekea kuingizwa kwa sheria ya Foreign agent law ( Russia)...ambayo hata USA wanayo kwa miaka mingi...

Najua utaongea kwa ushabiki na kutumia mgongo wa kila nchi kuwa na haki ya kujiamulia mambo yake lkn ukweli ni kuwa hakuna nchi yoyote duniani itakubali nchi jirani yake ahatarishe usalama wake kisa kuna uhuru wa kujiamulia mambo yake....Wanasema haki yako inaishia pale, inapoanza kuwa kitisho au kikazwao kwa mwenzako...

Nyerere aliinyima Zanzibar kuwa nchi huru kwa sababu ya security reasons pia-Muungano ukalazimishwa..Karume akasaini..Zanzibar ikapigwa pin...na viongozi wa Zanzibar waliokuwa wanajifanya kuwa vocal kwenye masuala hayo ( hata wa CCM)...hawajawahi kuvumiliwa...

USA hawezi kukubali wapinzani wake wakae CUBA au Mexico pale, lazima pachimbike..

Haki inakuwa haki kama haihatarishi usalama wa mwenzako.....

Mkeo/Mmeo akianza tabia ya kulala na kisu chini ya mto- rationally lazima akili izunguke kujua sababu....kama haziekeweki lazima ujipange..

Kwa hali ya kawaida UKRAINE na URUSI wanakila sababu ya kuwa mataifa marafiki...
1.Wanampaka mkubwa sana
2.Ni slavic
3.Wanauhusiano mkubwa sana wa kitamaduni
4.Kuna watu wenye asili ya Urusi wengi sana Ukraine
5.Wanashare familia:Mtu yuko Urusi-babu yaje yuko Ukraine
6.Walikuwa na uchumi unaingiliana sana-viwanda-chain production inaanzia Ukraine inaishia Urusi

Zelensky mwenyewe...mpaka anakuwa Rais alikua anaongea Kirusi pekeee....Kiukraine kaanza kujifunza ofisini..

Zelensky kafanya kazi za commedy Moscow na huko ndiko alikochuma pesa zake za kwanza...

Hivyo hawa watu wanaukaribu mkubwa kuliko ilivyopaswa kuwa...hapo sasa na US kaingia kaanza kuwavuruga....Ukraine kaanza kupandikizwa chuki vurugu likaanza...

Na Urusi haiwezi kukubali Ukraine ikaenda West na kuwa tishio kwake....sababu

1.Ina-pride: Putin akishindwa:Atakayeingia lazima aanzishe vita tena....(Na Putin kasema kushindwa hakupo..labda WW3)

2.Inauwezo wa kuresist pressure za West

3.Inauwezo wa kijeshi kujitetea na kusababisha maumivu makubwa west..

Tuendelee kuangalia huu mchuano...lkn kwa maoni yangu Ukraine kayakoroga na hatoboi
2.

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🙏
Madini tupu haya.

 

[lee Vladimir cleef]

"Russia has more powerful nuclear weapons than the NATO countries combined, and they want us to reduce them - screw them," Putin said. [emoji23][emoji41]

Mbabe wa ukweli wa Dunia keshajulikana.
Vita hii imetufanya tujue supspawa wa ukweli.sio Supapawa dhidi ya akina Sadam Gadafi na Osama

 

[lee Vladimir cleef]

Putin: If F-16s are stationed at air bases outside Ukraine but used in combat, we will have to see how to hit them.

LoL!🤭

 

[lee Vladimir cleef]

Hii ni clearly warning...

Hili ni Tamko rasmi,ni onyo na tahadharisho.

 

[lee Vladimir cleef]

Hizi zalau sasa, halafu bado anajiuliza Kwa nini Africa ipo upande wa Urusi....

Kina tuzalau sana sisi waafrika hiki ki bwana

 

[Cash Generating Unit]

Wafaransa na utani wa ngumi za meno

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[manning]

PATA burudani kidogo

 

[Chariton003]

Denmark is ready to train Ukrainian pilots on F-16 fighters by providing access to its airbase, acting Danish Defense Minister Troels Lund Poulsen told TV2.

Denmark, together with the Netherlands, developed a plan to train Ukrainian soldiers on F-16 fighter jets. Poulsen said he hopes for support from other countries to help present a more concrete exercise plan.

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Wasipoteze muda wao! This is NOT time for training! This is WAR time! Hawatashinda! The only solution, waache ushoga na watubu kwa Mungu kisha waombe msamaha kwa warusi na dunia nzima kwa ujumla, tutawasemehe! Walipotoka kidogo ni kawaida!

 

[Somoche]

Hii ni clearly warning...

Wakiziweka Poland Tutazichoma huko huko tumeshaandaa kiberiti...

 

[Somoche]

Kina tuzalau sana sisi waafrika hiki ki bwana

Ndio mana tunasema wacha kipigwe sana mana hamna namna nyingine eeeh....

 

[D A E M U S H I N]

Russian President Vladimir Putin also said at SPIEF:

1. Russia has almost no contacts with the United States, but it was not Moscow that refused them.

2. Russia has never closed the door to diplomacy.


3. The West did not want to have a conversation with Russia, but "they want to, and we'll see."

4. The current challenges in the field of security will lead to the realization that it must be equal.


5. The United States, instead of contacts with Russia, has chosen to supply equipment to Ukraine, "let's burn it - let's see what happens next."


6. It would be better if the West took a different path in the situation with Ukraine, and did not pump it up with weapons, but in any case, they will not succeed.


7. NATO is being drawn into the war in Ukraine with the supply of equipment. If a decision is made to supply F-16s to Kyiv and if they are based abroad, "let's see how to hit them," this is a serious danger of further involvement of NATO.


8. Now Russia does not need to use nuclear weapons, but theoretically it is possible if a threat to the existence of the Russian state is created.


9. The West is making every effort to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia.


10. Russia will do what suits its interests, everyone will have to reckon with this.
Biden is an experienced politician, "it's not for me to teach him",
let Biden do as he sees fit, and we will do what is in Russia's interests.


11. Attacks on the Belgorod region, on the Kremlin - an attempt to provoke Moscow into serious powerful actions. It costs nothing for Russia to destroy any building in the center of Kyiv, but for a number of reasons this is not being done.


12. Sanctions do not interfere with the development of Russia, and those who try to artificially limit something suffer first of all.


13. Russia began to reorient itself to the markets of Asia, Latin America and Africa long before the situation around Ukraine, because the leaders in the economy are changing.


14. Those who say that Russia will become dependent on China have themselves fallen into it a long time ago.

 

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Naona Russia baada ya kichapo wameanza kuingiza silaha za Kisasa mstari wa mbele wa vita