Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Inamana pro nato ndo huwa mnaumia hivi? Sisi leo siku moja roho ziliuma japo tukawa tunajifariji kwa historia ya boss wa wagner kuwa ni mchezo tu na hakuna kibaya kitatokea ila tulikuwa tunaumia walai leo
Sasa nyie kila siku mbwa nyie ndo mana hamnenepi akil

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Yule mpiga Punyeto ameshaukimbia uzi tayari...

Leo alikuwa active sana, ila baada ya Wagner kuondoka, naona shida ya internet huko kwenye mashamba ya mpunga imerudi tena.
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Kama pro-Russia nilichojifunza kwa matukio ya leo ni kua inawezekana kabisa kizazi chetu kisishuhudie kamwe wema ukiushinda ubaya.
Chukua mifano ya akina Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, Gaddafi, Sankara, Hugo Chavez, JPM, Trump na sasa Putin na Russia yake kwenye hii vita ya Ukraine.
Imekuaje intelijensia ya Urusi imeshindwa kabisa kujua mipango ya Prigozhin na kuizima au ilikuaje wakaruhusiwa kuwa na nguvu mpaka ya kuweza kutishia kufanya mapinduzi?
Mbona mfano Marekani wanampa Zelensky misaada ya kila aina na bado hawaachi kumdukua kuhakikisha hawezi kufanya kitu nje ya maelekezo yao, na akizingua wanamla kichwa asubuhi tu, Urusi wanashindwaje kwa huyo Prigozhin?
Mbona mutiny za aina hii sijawahi kuzisikia Marekani tokea nimepata akili?
Putin majuzi ametangaza wameshambulia decision-making centers za Ukraine, pro-Russia wengi wakasema Zaluzhny na Budanov waliuliwa kwenye hizo strikes, kama siku tatu nyuma nimeona video zao ni wazima kabisa hawana dalili kwamba wamewahi hata kuumwa siku kadhaa nyuma.
Nitaendelea kuwa pro-Russia kwasababu anasimama kwenye wema lakini from today I'll expect nothing kutoka kwao.

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Kama pro-Russia nilichojifunza kwa matukio ya leo ni kua inawezekana kabisa kizazi chetu kisishuhudie kamwe wema ukiushinda ubaya.
Chukua mifano ya akina Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, Gaddafi, Sankara, Hugo Chavez, JPM, Trump na sasa Putin na Russia yake kwenye hii vita ya Ukraine.
Imekuaje intelijensia ya Urusi imeshindwa kabisa kujua mipango ya Prigozhin na kuizima au ilikuaje wakaruhusiwa kuwa na nguvu mpaka ya kuweza kutishia kufanya mapinduzi?
Mbona mfano Marekani wanampa Zelensky misaada ya kila aina na bado hawaachi kumdukua kuhakikisha hawezi kufanya kitu nje ya maelekezo yao, na akizingua wanamla kichwa asubuhi tu, Urusi wanashindwaje kwa huyo Prigozhin?
Mbona mutiny za aina hii sijawahi kuzisikia Marekani tokea nimepata akili?
Putin majuzi ametangaza wameshambulia decision-making centers za Ukraine, pro-Russia wengi wakasema Zaluzhny na Budanov waliuliwa kwenye hizo strikes, kama siku tatu nyuma nimeona video zao ni wazima kabisa hawana dalili kwamba wamewahi hata kuumwa siku kadhaa nyuma.
Nitaendelea kuwa pro-Russia kwasababu anasimama kwenye wema lakini from today I'll expect nothing kutoka kwao.

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Jifunze ujue kutofautisha Propaganda na ukweli utakua umepiga hatua kubwa.
 
Hebu nifundishe hii ya leo ilikua propaganda kwa namna gani, kwa malengo gani na kwa faida ya nani?!

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Unawezeje Teka commanding center bila umwagaji damu?. Yaan Wagner ateke Rostov mkoa unaotumika kama Commanding center ya SMO inayoendelea Ukrein bila hata risasi Moja kupigwa?.

Wagner wasafiri zaidi ya km 200 kuelekea Moscow huku hakuna hata sisimizi alieuliwa?. Yaan vikosi vya Russia viwasubiri waingie Moscow kumpindua Raisi ndio wapambane navyo?.

Wasaliti wote walioko ndani ya Jeshi Leo ilikua nisiku yao kujitokeza Hadharani wawaunge mkono Wagner Sasa kama walifanya movement yeyote wamejulikana.
 
Inamana pro nato ndo huwa mnaumia hivi? Sisi leo siku moja roho ziliuma japo tukawa tunajifariji kwa historia ya boss wa wagner kuwa ni mchezo tu na hakuna kibaya kitatokea ila tulikuwa tunaumia walai leo
Sasa nyie kila siku mbwa nyie ndo mana hamnenepi akil

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hawa mbwa wavumilivu sana yaan
 
Unawezeje Teka commanding center bila umwagaji damu?. Yaan Wagner ateke Rostov mkoa unaotumika kama Commanding center ya SMO inayoendelea Ukrein bila hata risasi Moja kupigwa?.

Wagner wasafiri zaidi ya km 200 kuelekea Moscow huku hakuna hata sisimizi alieuliwa?. Yaan vikosi vya Russia viwasubiri waingie Moscow kumpindua Raisi ndio wapambane navyo?.

Wasaliti wote walioko ndani ya Jeshi Leo ilikua nisiku yao kujitokeza Hadharani wawaunge mkono Wagner Sasa kama walifanya movement yeyote wamejulikana.
Sasa kama umefahamu kuwa huwezi teka bila kumwaga damu na ukajua ni propaganda ni waasi gani wajinga wasione hilo?
 
Inamana pro nato ndo huwa mnaumia hivi? Sisi leo siku moja roho ziliuma japo tukawa tunajifariji kwa historia ya boss wa wagner kuwa ni mchezo tu na hakuna kibaya kitatokea ila tulikuwa tunaumia walai leo
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Uzalendo unatofautiana. Kiwango cha uzalendo kinaamua kiwango cha maumivu. Kuna watu ni active humu ila akilog out kila kitu anaacha hapa sababu ubongo wake haujaamua kuwa hili ni jambo la kumtengenezea kemikali zinazoleta maumivu.
 
Kama pro-Russia nilichojifunza kwa matukio ya leo ni kua inawezekana kabisa kizazi chetu kisishuhudie kamwe wema ukiushinda ubaya.
Chukua mifano ya akina Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, Gaddafi, Sankara, Hugo Chavez, JPM, Trump na sasa Putin na Russia yake kwenye hii vita ya Ukraine.
Imekuaje intelijensia ya Urusi imeshindwa kabisa kujua mipango ya Prigozhin na kuizima au ilikuaje wakaruhusiwa kuwa na nguvu mpaka ya kuweza kutishia kufanya mapinduzi?
Mbona mfano Marekani wanampa Zelensky misaada ya kila aina na bado hawaachi kumdukua kuhakikisha hawezi kufanya kitu nje ya maelekezo yao, na akizingua wanamla kichwa asubuhi tu, Urusi wanashindwaje kwa huyo Prigozhin?
Mbona mutiny za aina hii sijawahi kuzisikia Marekani tokea nimepata akili?
Putin majuzi ametangaza wameshambulia decision-making centers za Ukraine, pro-Russia wengi wakasema Zaluzhny na Budanov waliuliwa kwenye hizo strikes, kama siku tatu nyuma nimeona video zao ni wazima kabisa hawana dalili kwamba wamewahi hata kuumwa siku kadhaa nyuma.
Nitaendelea kuwa pro-Russia kwasababu anasimama kwenye wema lakini from today I'll expect nothing kutoka kwao.

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Sidhani kama uko sahihi kuhusu intelijensia ya Urusi.

Mambo ya nchi nyingine yana Siri kubwa sana.
Nina uhakika 1000% Huyo Prizgon alikua anafatiliwa sana ila sema sis Huku hatuwezi jua mambo ya Siri za ndani za jeshi la Urusi na ndani ya taasisi za usalama.
Prizgon alishaanza manenomaneno na lawama siku nyingi dhidi ya Shoigu na wengineo Tena Katikati ya vita .Sasa hata ujasusi wa kiwango Cha chini kabisa wa ngazi ya familia TU haiwezi kuacha kumtilia shaka na kumfatilia mtu kama huyo.
Hatujui kabisa ni kwa Nini yametokea hayo.
Yaani mtu kama Shoigu mwenyewe TU kama waziri wa ulinzi anaweza akaanza kumtilia mashak na kuanzisha upelelezi binafsi Tu ili kujua ana mipango gani ya ziada baada ya lawama anazorushiwa na Prizgon.
Kuhusu matangazo kua Mkuu wa jeshi wa Mkuu wa upelelezi wa Ukraine sidahni kama Urusi walitoa taarifa rasmi kua wamekufa,nahisi ni vyombo vya habari ndio vilkua vinatoa taarifa.lakini bado narudia huwezi kujua Siri za Kambi.
Hata kama walitangaza kua wamekufa inawezekana pia ni mbinu za kijasusi kutaka kupata uthibitishokama kweli wamekufa ama la,lengo ni ili kuwatoa huko walikojificha.
Kwa kifupi ndugu vita vina mambo mengi sana .
Hatujui pia .

Saa nyingine najiuliza pengine walimuacha hivyo ili wawatambue wanajeshi walio kinyume na smo hii.siju,au walio kinyume na Putin sijui, mambo ni mengi.

Nikirudi upande wa west unaowasifia.

West pia hata wao inelijesnsia zao hazijakamiliaka.
Haujafika muda wa wanajeshi wao kuleta vurugu,ukifika wtaleta TU.
Lkn kama nisuala la utambuzi mbona wanashindwa kutambua mambo mengi TU?mbona wameshindwa kujua nguvu na uwezo wa jeshi la Urusi na uimara wa uchumi wa Urusi?
Angalia mipango Yao jinsi ilivyofeli,vikwazo vyote kwa pamoja west yote na michango ya silaha ya pamoja west yote lkn vimeshindwa kuiangusha serikali ya Putin?

Je utaniambia intelijensia ya USA ni dhaifu baada ya kushambuliwa September 11?
Au kushindwa vita Afghanistan?
 
Ndio maana heshima Yako imeshuka sana humu Jukwaani,kumbe unaishi kwa kukalili.
Watu wanakushambulia kwa sababu walidhani utakua na hoja kama vile zamani,lkn Sasa umepoteza mwelekeo.
Hivi kwa jinsi unavyojifanyaga mchambuzi,kweli unaweza kusema Ukraine inapigana na Urusi?
Sasa zile package mnazofurahiaga kutoka USA NATO hua mnafirahia za Nini?
Kwa kifupi NATO ndio inapigana na Wagner.
Ukraine inaweza wapi kupigana na Urusi?
Nilishakwambia sitaki heshima yako, sitafuti heshima mtandaoni.
Kama ulikuwa na mpango wa kuheshimu watu tafuta mtaani kwenu uko. NATO haiwezi pigana na kampuni ya babantilie, hiyo kampuni inatishia superpower mpaka Lukashenko aje kusuluhisha ndio unaamua uikuze. Unadhani NATO ni organization ya wajinga, USSR iko wapi.

Ukraine haiwezi pigana na Urusi? Basi tuseme tangu February 2022 wanaimba opera.
Package zinazotoka Marekani kwenda Ukraine ni sawa na zile zinazotoka uko kuja bongo ili mtumie ARVs, mambo ya kawaida sana kwa Marekani kutoa chochote. Tanzania kama ulistahili chandarua za malaria ilipata, Ukraine haiwezi pewa chandarua hayo sio mahitaji yake.
Marekani sio Urusi ambayo hutoa misaada ya silaha kila kona, haitoi kulingana na mahitaji.
 

Wagner chief Prigozhin will move to Belarus and charges to be dropped under deal​

The Wagner group chief, Yevgeny Prigozhin, will move to Belarus under a deal to end the armed mutiny he led against Russia’s military leadership, the Kremlin said on Saturday night.

The deal was brokered by the Belarusian president, Alexander Lukashenko.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Lukashenko had offered to mediate, with Vladimir Putin’s agreement, because he had known Prigozhin personally for about 20 years.

Peskov said the criminal case that had been opened against Prigozhin for armed mutiny would be dropped, and that the Wagner fighters who had taken part in his “march for justice” would not face any action, in recognition of their previous service to Russia.

Although Putin had earlier vowed to punish those who participated in the mutiny, Peskov said the agreement had had the “higher goal” of avoiding confrontation and bloodshed.

Prigozhin and all of his fighters vacated the military headquarters in the southern city of Rostov-on-Don that they had previously taken over, the RIA news agency reported.
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Hatimaye jamaa ataishi uhamishoni sasa, huenda hata mamlaka ya kuendesha Wagner yamechukuliwa na MOD.
 

Wagner chief Prigozhin will move to Belarus and charges to be dropped under deal​

The Wagner group chief, Yevgeny Prigozhin, will move to Belarus under a deal to end the armed mutiny he led against Russia’s military leadership, the Kremlin said on Saturday night.

The deal was brokered by the Belarusian president, Alexander Lukashenko.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Lukashenko had offered to mediate, with Vladimir Putin’s agreement, because he had known Prigozhin personally for about 20 years.

Peskov said the criminal case that had been opened against Prigozhin for armed mutiny would be dropped, and that the Wagner fighters who had taken part in his “march for justice” would not face any action, in recognition of their previous service to Russia.

Although Putin had earlier vowed to punish those who participated in the mutiny, Peskov said the agreement had had the “higher goal” of avoiding confrontation and bloodshed.

Prigozhin and all of his fighters vacated the military headquarters in the southern city of Rostov-on-Don that they had previously taken over, the RIA news agency reported.
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Hatimaye jamaa ataishi uhamishoni sasa, huenda hata mamlaka ya kuendesha Wagner yamechukuliwa na MOD.
Hakuna kitu propaganda tu, matamko mengi yanarushwa na vyombo vya habari na kuitwa matamko ya viongozi wa Urusi ni ya kubumba tu...
 
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