Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

[Galip Veryl]

Bagamoyo - Zbar mjini km 42; sehemu ya bara karibu zaidi panaitwa Kitame ni km 37. Mlangobahari wa Bering kati ya Alaska (si Kanada) na Siberia = Urusi ni km 82 hivi.

Naam na Kigoma to Zenjbar [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] ngapi zipo

 

[Sigonella Island]

Neno majivu mnampenda sana kulitumia. Sisi tukiwakumbusha mnatoa povu.

Hahaha kumbe neno majivu linawakera sana Pro Ukraine na sasa tunatumia neno KIFUSI

 

[whiteskunk]

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Wanatengeneza channel baada ya sanctions

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[Joannah]

Hata wakati wa vita ya Iraq wamarekani watu wali andamana wakiwa uchi mbele ya ikulu ya marekani wakipinga vita lakini hilo halikumzuia bush kuishambaratisha Iraq kwahiyo ni jambo la kawaida.

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Wananchi waligoma mwisho wake aibu!Hebu Iona aibu ilivyotokea Afghanistan ndicho kitakachomkuta Putin Ukraine

 

[myoyambendi]

Mzee ukiwa unajadiliana na mimi unatakiwa uwe open minded. Sasa hiyo janes.com unajua anaye imilk.
Nakupa taarifa chache tu kuhusu hiyo janes.com ili uanze kuniogopa kidogo
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Inasaidia nini sasa,, Kwamba mimi sijui hayo hapo juu au?.

 

[myoyambendi]

Mzee ukiwa unajadiliana na mimi unatakiwa uwe open minded. Sasa hiyo janes.com unajua anaye imilk.
Nakupa taarifa chache tu kuhusu hiyo janes.com ili uanze kuniogopa kidogo
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Tumesema kuhusu kupata habari. Hakuna chombo cha habari kisicho na umiliki au mahali kilipoanzishwa. Ila hao habari za ulinzi wako vizuri kuliko wanao Google....
Kama una ushabiki na nchi moja wapo endelea kuamini unavyo amini....

 

[Sigonella Island]

Puttin anatakiwa amalize hii kitu mapema. Isipoisha ndani ya wiki mbili zijazo utashuhudia mambo ya ajabu sana.

Itamalizika baada kugeuza Kiev Kifusi

 

[NYUNDO YA MOTO]

A member of the Ukrainian delegation Arakhamia announced the resumption of negotiations with Russia, writes the Ukrainian edition "STRANA".

 

[Sigonella Island]

KUMEKUCHAAAA!Nyie wa Z,dada yenu Marina kavamia kituo Cha habari huko Urusi anasema amechoka kuzalisha habari za propaganda.msiniulize picha siwezi kuapload Kama vipi kachungulie kwa Millard Ayo ka upload......Nasikia Putin kasema achinjweeee

Niliona jana usiku hiyo Propaganda za kitoto za Ukraine. Wasoviet watawauwa kwa makombora ndani ya studio zao kama yule wa mwandishi wa Marekani alivyokula chuma

 

[NYUNDO YA MOTO]

Russia demands to consider the issue of biological laboratories in Ukraine within the framework of the convention on the prohibition of chemical weapons, Sergei Lavrov said.

 

[Sigonella Island]

Umemuona Yule mwandishi wa Russia Marina aliyevamia katikati ya habari?kasema amechoka na kuandaa propaganda...unalizungumziaje hili?

Ile ni propaganda tu mbona zipo nyingi sana hizo

 

[President of China]

King of all Bomb (Tsar Bomba)​

The mushroom cloud would rise to about 50 km, and would spread to 200 km in diameter. Though the Tsar Bomba is a fairly clean weapon as these things go, exploding it on the ground would draw a lot of material into the fireball, creating a lot of fallout, which would extend in a plume for hundreds of kilometres.

 

[NYUNDO YA MOTO]

The drone that crashed in Romania turned out to be a research drone, it was launched from the territory of Ukraine, Romanian Defense Minister Vasile Dyncu said.

“We contacted representatives of Ukraine, they are also trying to determine where it was launched from, because it is clear that this is a drone that flew from their territory, approximately from the Carpathian region, because it does not have a large flight autonomy,” the minister said.

 

[NYUNDO YA MOTO]

Vladimir Putin congratulated Serdar Berdimuhamedov on his victory in the presidential elections in Turkmenistan and wished him success in office.

 

[President of China]

Tumesema kuhusu kupata habari. Hakuna chombo cha habari kisicho na umiliki au mahali kilipoanzishwa. Ila hao habari za ulinzi wako vizuri kuliko wanao Google....
Kama una ushabiki na nchi moja wapo endelea kuamini unavyo amini....

Sasa mzee umesusa majadiliano!? Nilikuuliza hizo taarifa za silaha za kila nchi umezipata wapi!? Ukaniwekea link. Sasa hiyo link nimei challenge, baladala ya kuleta maelezo ya ziada "UNASUSA"

 

[Sigonella Island]

Aaaah Nyie watu Ni wabishi jamani!kwa hiyo mnataka kusema Ile Ni propaganda?[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]haaa nimecheka sana
Yule dada kanifurahisha yaani Haki kawaprove wrong Z!Wananchi wake Putin wamemchokaaa

yaani we unawasemea raia wa Russia wakati wenzako wanakula maisha safi wana uhakika wa kulala usingizi mzito huku wakiendelea kuzaliana

 

[Muite]

Mungu akupe salama, akuokoe kwenye balaa hilo na akurejeshe huku nyumbani salama salimina

Ukute unayemuambia hivyo wala hayupo huko Ukraine . Yupo zake Tegeta . Ila kwa humu JF sababu ya SIMULATION basi inawezekana akawa Ukraine kama wengine walivyo huko Russia, Yugoslavia, Belarus, USA, German, UK na hata wasemaji wa wizara za Ulinzi na Ikulu.

 

[wakurochi]

Sasa sio kweli kwamba leo siku ya 21 super power russia ngoma bado inaendelea.

Unajua yeye aliwahamisha raia wa yale majimbo mawili kwa muda urussi, kaweka kambi kuwalisha akijua ndani ya wiki ukrain watasalimu amri, sasa ngoma ndio inogile kuwalisha wale jamaa msosi shida, na vita inataka hela, putin sasa hivi ataomba poo tu kijanja. Kujimwambafai kwisha.

 

[myoyambendi]

Sasa mzee umesusa majadiliano!? Nilikuuliza hizo taarifa za silaha za kila nchi umezipata wapi!? Ukaniwekea link. Sasa hiyo link nimei challenge, baladala ya kuleta maelezo ya ziada "UNASUSA"

Huwezi na huna uwezo wa kuwa challenge hao mkuu., Jiunge, lipia kisha ulete mrejesho......

 

[FRANC THE GREAT]

Vizuri, nimeyapenda maelezo yako. Japo binafs hua mgum sana kuweka hundred percent ya kitu flan ni sawa mpk nijiridhishe [emoji847][emoji847][emoji847]

Kwa mfano Issue ya Neo Nazism apo Ukraine mwanzo sikuwah kuiamini kabisa na nilikuwa nachukulia kama ni "Sababu" ka wengine walivofanya Iraqi na kwingineko kama lengo la kujipa legitimate ya kumshambulia mwingine....

Ila mpaka apa juzi nikakutana na hizi ntaziweka apa uzione zikanifanya kiasi kuamini kua Neo Nazi huenda kweli wapo Ukraine... Ziangalie hizi picha vizuri. Za wanajesh wanaopigana hivi sasa n hizo alama zao...

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Hii picha naizoom

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Ntaizom tena kisha angalia hyo alama ya kifuani...

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Then angalia na hii pia...

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Moja wapo tutaikuza il tuione vizuri

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Kisha tena katika kuikuza kuna alama ile ile kama y mwanzo

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Ambayo ni hii

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Sasa kisha nikajiuliza ka Zelensky n Myahudi na kwamba etiii "Ana chuki na wanazi kwasababu waliua babu zake" iweje alama za wanazi ziwepo kwe jeshi lake...

Za ziada ni hizi

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Na hii
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Kisha kuhusu hao Nazis kuenea Europe nzima [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] sina hyo taarifa wala uthibitisho wa kuenea kwao Europe nzima ko binafs siezi shiriki kulisemea hilo apa narejea ile kauli ya "No research no right to speak"

The same na hio MRI uliyoizungumzia sina habari nayo ko siezi ikataa wala kuikubali vile vile nakazia kwenye ile kauli ya "No research no Right to speak"

So siezi nikazungumzia kitu ambacho sikijui kiundani labda nikikifatilia nikakipatia ujuzi nitarudi tena kukizungumzia...

Mwisho labda niseme t na huu ni mtizamo wangu... Ambacho nakiamin taarifa nyingi sana hasa kwe ulimwengu wa siasa ziko much twisted kiasi cha kujua ipi kweli ipi sio ni ngum mno hasa ukiwa umeegemea upande mmoja...

Nachoamin hakuna Politicians msafi, wana mambo mengi sana nyuma ya pazia. Na yale wanayoyatoa huyatoa vile namna wanavotaka yapokelewe.

Nashukuru kwa mchango wako ingawa picha kadhaa ulizoambatanisha hazionekani, nadhani kuna makosa ya kuzi-upload! OK!

Hoja yako ninakubaliana nayo kabisa kuwa itikadi ya neo-Nazism nchini Ukraine ipo. Kuna vikundi mbalimbali pamoja na taasisi zenye mrengo huo ambazo zimekuwa zikitumia nembo, kauli na ishara za Kinazi, kitu ambacho kimekuwa kikitumika na Urusi kama sababu ya kuivamia Ukraine kupitia hicho kinachoitwa "denazification".

Lakini, suala hili la "neo-Nazism" ni suala linaloikabili Ukraine pekee? Je, kundi hili lenye itikadi kali lina ushawishi kiasi gani nchini Ukraine hasa katika vyombo vya maamuzi yanayohusu masuala muhimu ya kitaifa?

Vipo vyama vya siasa nchini Ukraine vyenye mrengo huo vinavyoungwa mkono na wafuasi wa itikadi kali za Unazi mamboleo lakini havijawahi kupata uwakilishi wowote wa maana katika utawala wa Ukraine hata katika chaguzi ambazo zimewahi kufanyika hivi karibuni. Iko hivyo hata katika mataifa mengine barani Ulaya ikiwemo Urusi, ambayo yana vyama vya siasa vya mrengo huo lakini havina ushawishi wa maana wa kisiasa na kiutawala.

Tukiachana na hilo, zipo taasisi za neo-Nazism nje ya vyama vya siasa zinazojiendesha kwa kujitegemea.

Ukifanya utafiti wa kutosha, hii itikadi ya neo-Nazism imeenea karibu nchi zote za Ulaya na hata Marekani pia. Vipo vyama halali vya siasa pamoja na taasisi mbalimbali zenye mrengo huo. Nimetoa mfano wa hiyo taasisi moja ya RIM ambayo ina ushawishi mkubwa tu kimataifa. Pia, ina mpaka kibali cha kumiliki jeshi na ku-supply wapiganaji kwaajili ya missions za serikali ya Urusi.

Kumbuka kuwa ni Urusi hiihii ambayo inasema kuwa utawala wa Ukraine ni wa Kinazi. Kuna viashiria vingi vya uwepo wa wafuasi wa itikadi hii nchini Ukraine kama ambavyo vimekuwepo katika nchi zingine lakini bado sijapata hoja yoyote yenye uthibitisho kwamba utawala hasa wa Ukraine ni wa Kinazi. Ndio maana nimeibua hoja hapa kuhusu matumizi ya taasisi hizi kwa maslahi ya serikali za nchi husika.

Ni sahihi sana unaposema kuwa wanasiasa wana mambo mengi nyuma ya pazia, ingawa mengine yapo hadharani kabisa yanaonekana. Nashukuru!