Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Lior said:
Kuna sheria za kimataifa zinazuia hilo. Ndio maana Putin hajawahi shhusha kombora ikuru pale Ukraine. Halafu pia Ukraine haiwezi fanya hivyo maana madhara atakayopata hakutakuwa na mtetezi.
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Sasa kumbe yule chizi wa Ukraine alikuwa anaongea pumba gani kuwaonya Wageni wataokuwepo Russian siku hiyo?
 

From battlefield to Red Square: Russia’s parade weaponry explained

A detailed look at the military vehicles and weapons showcased on Victory Day Parade – and how they’re performing on the battlefield
www.rt.com
 
Mbona kipanya44 alikuwa anatuletea data za Kiev independent kuwa warusi wanachinjwa 1000+ Kila siku iweje leo iwe ni loss ya askari 45,000 tu Kwa mwaka '24.???
 
Quencher said:
Ukraine alisema usalama wa viongozi watakaoenda May 9, ni at their own risk na atashambulia red square
Tunasubiri tuone
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Sherehe zimeisha salama salmini.na zilifana sana.
Waliambiwa wasithubutu kurusha chochote kuelekea Moscow.
Yaani sio kurusha chochote tu,Bali hata wakijaribu kujikuna TU,watakiona.
Thank God Wametii.
 
Sawa!
haya Sasa, tufanye hesabu za kwenye vijiwe vya kahawa.

UKRAINE
Inasaidiwa na:
The 32 current member states of NATO are USA, Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Montenegro, the Netherlands, North Macedonia, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain ...


URUSI
inasaidiwa na:
China
Korea kasakazini
Iran


Sasa niambie china ametoa silaha ngapi?
Korea kasakazini ametoa silaha ngapi?
Na Iran ametoa silaha ngapi?

Pia usisiste kuniambia USA na machawa wake wametoa silaha ngapi.
Kisha niambie nani amefaidikia na misaada na ameachieve nini kati ya Urusi na Ukraine.

Nimeona nikufurahishe kuhusu kile unachodai raia sijui wawili wa china waliokamatwa vitani.
Sasa sijui kama raia wawili wa china waliojiamulia kwenda vitani upande wa Urusi kwa hiari Yao sioni kama serikali ya china ilipeleka jeshi lake kuisaidia Urusi.

Nakumbuka kulikua Kuna Mtanzania alikufa vitani akiwa upande wa Urusi,lakini Tanzania hatukupeleka jeshi letu huko.
 
Proved said:
Upo sahihi, Ukraine angepewa 'offensive weapons' kwa kiasi alichohitaji Urusi ingepata tabu mno.

Alafu Ukraine imepewa silaha chache tu tena kwa kuchelewa sana na kwa masharti mengi yanayodhibiti matumizi yake.
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Unajua kingetokea nini kama Ukraine angepewa mwanya zaidi wa kushambulia ndani ya Russia!?
Hiyo Ukraine ingetifuliwa from North to South na Russia in full capability.
Wazungu sio wajinga kumsaidia Ukraine in limited way.
 
Lee Van free said:
Sasa niambie china ametoa silaha ngapi?
Korea kasakazini ametoa silaha ngapi?
Na Iran ametoa silaha ngapi?
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Nato na Us wametoa siraha ngapi mpaka sasa, una idadi?

Hakuna sehemu nimeongelea askari wawili, nilichosema hakuna taifa linasisama vitani peke yake. Huwa kuna supports either direct au indirect.
 
Lior said:
Nato na Us wametoa siraha ngapi mpaka sasa, una idadi?

Hakuna sehemu nimeongelea askari wawili, nilichosema hakuna taifa linasisama vitani peke yake. Huwa kuna supports either direct au indirect.
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Sina idadi kamili ambazo NATO wamempa Ukraine,lakini naweza zitaja chache ,kisha na wewe nitajie chache ambazo china amempa Urusi
NATO wamempa Ukraine
Juveline,
Storm shadow,
Himars,
Atacms,
Challenger,
Leopard,
Abrahams,
Bushmaster,
F-16,
Patriot,
S-300,
Drons from UK, turkey...
Satellite services,
Trainers,
Intelligence,
etc

Sasa Naomba nawe walau unitajie silaha mbili tu za china kwenda kwa Urusi.
Na unitajie ni wanajeshi wangapi wa china waliokamatwa na Ukraine.
 
Lior said:
Nato na Us wametoa siraha ngapi mpaka sasa, una idadi?

Hakuna sehemu nimeongelea askari wawili, nilichosema hakuna taifa linasisama vitani peke yake. Huwa kuna supports either direct au indirect.
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Lior said:
  • Kuna raia wa china walikamatwa wakipigana upande wa Russia
  • Russia anatumia drones toka iran.
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Hapa uliseama Kuna raia wa china waliokamatwa wakipinga upande wa Urusi.
Sasa swali langu lilikua ni je wametumwa na serikali ya china kwenda kuisaidia Urusi?
Au ni wao TU wamejiendea vitani kwa mapenzi Yao.?

Hata hivyo taarifa Ya wachinq wawili iliandikwa na

Kiev Independent.
The two Chinese nationals captured when fighting for Russia claimed they weren’t sent to the war by the Chinese government, and described their hardships in the Russian ranks.

One of the captives, Wang Guangjun, said he was targeted by Russian "chemical weapons" right after he was taken captive by a Ukrainian soldier, he told reporters at a press conference in Kyiv on April 14.

"I was losing my strength and fainting... Then I felt someone grabbing my collar and pulling me out into the fresh air," Wang said.

According to Wang, after he was captured by Ukrainian troops, he found himself in a dugout with a Ukrainian soldier, taking shelter during a Russian attack. He said that the Ukrainian helped him to survive what Wang described as a "spray gas" attack.
 
Lee Van free said:
Sasa Naomba nawe walau unitajie silaha mbili tu za china kwenda kwa Urusi.
Na unitajie ni wanajeshi wangapi wa china waliokamatwa na Ukraine.
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China inahusika kusambaza vifaa na teknolojia (dual-use) vinavyotumika katika uzalishaji wa silaha na vifaa vya kijeshi kwa Urusi.

- Bunduki za CQ-A, Kampuni ya China North Industries Group Corporation Limited ilituma bunduki 1,000 aina ya CQ-A kwa kampuni ya Urusi ya Tekhkrim mnamo Juni 2022.

-Silaha za Kinga, Zaidi ya tani 12 za silaha za kinga zilitumwa kutoka China kwenda Urusi kupitia Uturuki mwishoni mwa 2022.

- Vipuri vya Drone, Kampuni ya DJI ya China ilituma vipuri vya drone, kama betri na kamera, kwa msambazaji mdogo wa Urusi kupitia Umoja wa Falme za Kiarabu mnamo Novemba na Desemba 2022.

- Microelectronics (Chips, Transistors, Diodes' Sensors) Mnamo 2023, takriban 90% ya Microelectronics ya Urusi ilitoka China, ikitumika kutengeneza makombora, mizinga, na ndege za kivita.

- Drones, China na Urusi zimekuwa zikishirikiana kutengeneza ndege zisizo na rubani (UAVs) ndani ya Urusi.

- Injini za UAV na Makombora, China pia imetoa injini za UAV na injini za turbojet zinazotumika katika makombora ya Urusi.

- Nitrocellulose, China imekuwa ikitoa nitrocellulose, kiungo muhimu katika utengenezaji wa risasi, kwa Urusi.

Narudia tena, linapokuja swala la vita hakuna nchi inasimama yenyenye. Washirika ni muhimu wame direct au indirect.
 
Lee Van free said:
Hapa uliseama Kuna raia wa china waliokamatwa wakipinga upande wa Urusi.
Sasa swali langu lilikua ni je wametumwa na serikali ya china kwenda kuisaidia Urusi?
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Wewe ni kama unataka ligi makusudi bila kuzingatia point yangu.
Nilichosema ni hakuna nchi inajitosheleza vitani, ushirika ni muhimu.

Nimekupa mfano wa askari wa china na korea kuwepo Russia, nisichoelewa ni kwa nini unalazimisha mawazo yako yawe sahihi?

Je wewe nikikuuliza hakuna askari wa kigeni anaisaidia Ukraine utanijibu vipi?
 
Haya basi najiondoa kwenye mjadala na wewe.
Ukiandika ntakuq nasoma TU.
 
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