Swali kwa Viongozi CHADEMA: Kumwombea Mbowe ni sehemu ya ibada kwa Mungu yupi?

Swali kwa Viongozi CHADEMA: Kumwombea Mbowe ni sehemu ya ibada kwa Mungu yupi?

Huwezi kumchambua Mungu kwa andiko reeeeefu ukafikili ndio umeshamfahamu.
Kama huwezi kusoma maneno mengi, sasa twende kwa njia ya mchoro sasa ili uone usanii wa viongozi wako wa dini...

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Ufafanuzi wa ziada kwa njia ya mchoro/jedwali utakusaidia kuona jinsi sala zinavyofuta kabisa kanuni ya falsifiability:

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Umeelewa tatizo la sala/maombi/maombezi?
Ni usanii mtupu! Sophistry!

My criticism of prayer starts from the principle of falsifiability. I usually get put off by the inherent un-testability of all claims about prayers.

According to the principle of falsifiability, a claim is falsifiable or refutable if it is contradicted by an observation that is logically possible. This principle equally applies to claims about prayers. These are not refutable!

It is like this: We often hear people saying that they know God is real because he has never failed them.

That usually gets some of us thinking about the concept of falsifiability.

If I say, “this rock won’t fall to the ground if I release it,” I will know my claim was false if I release the rock and it falls to the ground. That claim is falsifiable.

But it is different for the case of prayers. Theologians have created a situation in our heads where it’s impossible for God to fail. Realizing this fact may lead you to stop praying.

It’s so stupid because theologians never blame him for the bad things that happen to them but always thank God for the good stuff in their life.

It’s like parents rewarding their child’s good behavior and ignoring their bad behavior without punishment

They also say "It just wasn't his plan" in the case of something bad happening. Sophistry!
 
Kama huwezi kusoma maneno mengi, sasa twende kwa njia ya mchoro sasa ili uone usanii wa viongozi wako wa dini...

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Ufafanuzi wa ziada kwa njia ya mchoro/jedwali utakusaidia kuona jinsi sala zinavyofuta kabisa kanuni ya falsifiability:

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Umeelewa tatizo la sala/maombi/maombezi?
Ni usanii mtupu!

My criticism of prayer starts from the principle of falsifiability.

According to this principle, a claim is falsifiable or refutable if it is contradicted by an observation that is logically possible. This principle equally applies to claims about prayers. These are not refutable!

It is like this: We often hear people saying that they know God is real because he has never failed them.

That usually gets some of us thinking about the concept of falsifiability.

If I say, “this rock won’t fall to the ground if I release it,” I will know my claim was false if I release the rock and it falls to the ground. That claim is falsifiable.

But it is different for the case of prayers. Theologians have created a situation in our heads where it’s impossible for God to fail. Realizing this fact may lead you to stop praying.

It’s so stupid because theologians never blame him for the bad things that happen to them but always thank God for the good stuff in their life.

It’s like parents rewarding their child’s good behavior and ignoring their bad behavior without punishment

They also say "It just wasn't his plan" in the case of someone bad happening. So that is the conman-ship behind prayers.
Now I have understood you Mama Amon.
You are an atheist.I can not argue with you.

I am a catholic.I pray when I face challenges in life.Prayers give me hope and resilience.

You as an atheist , What gives you strength when you have troubles??
 
Now I have understood you Mama Amon.
You are an atheist.I can not argue with you.
Kiddish!
Graham Oppy is an atheist who has written many books used by theists!
Tofautisha hoja na mleta hoja.
Otherwise, you are incopetent for the debate.
 
I am a catholic.I pray when I face challenges in life.Prayers give me hope and resilience. You as an atheist , What gives you strength when you have troubles??
How do you define prayer?
For me prayer means rational brainstorming and planning based on the metanarratives found in scriptures.
Ablakadabla, kulia lia, kelele, hapana!
Ni usanii!
 
Kiddish!
Graham Oppy is an atheist who has written many books used by theists!
Tofautisha hoja na mleta hoja.
Otherwise, you are incopetent for the debate.
You
Kiddish!
Graham Oppy is an atheist who has written many books used by theists!
Tofautisha hoja na mleta hoja.
Otherwise, you are incopetent for the debate.
You have all the characteristics of atheism.

1.You dont believe in religious teachings but you are quite knowledgably about religions.

2.You identify yourself as Mama Amon.This means your meaning of life is derived from having a family rather than worshiping God.

3.You sound very young.Most atheist are young male peoples.

The only thing that does not fit is that you are a female.
 

Catholic definition of God

The one absolutely and infinitely perfect spirit who is the Creator of all.

In the definition of the First Vatican Council, fifteen internal attributes of God are affirmed, besides his role as Creator of the universe:

"The holy, Catholic, apostolic Roman Church believes and professes that there is one true, living God, the Creator and Lord of heaven and earth. He is almighty, eternal, beyond measure, incomprehensible, and infinite in intellect, will and in every perfection. Since He is one unique spiritual substance, entirely simple and unchangeable, He must be declared really and essentially distinct from the world, perfectly happy in Himself and by his very nature, and inexpressibly exalted over all things that exist or can be conceived other than Himself" (Denzinger 3001).

Reflecting on the nature of God, theology has variously identified what may be called his metaphysical essence, i.e., what is God. It is commonly said to be his self-subsistence. God is Being Itself. In God essence and existence coincide. He is the Being who cannot not exist. God alone must be. All other beings exist only because of the will of God.

NB: One more divine attribute is INCARNATION. Rarely mentioned by theologians!

Unatuchanganya, Vipi kuhusu "mungu" bikira maria mnaemuomba awasamehe madhambi??
 
Kumbuka:

Mungu wa Ibrahim, Isaka na Yakobo sio Mungu tunaemwamini leo.
Huyo ni Mungu wa Agano la Kale na alikuwa ni roho tupu.
Mungu wa Agano Jipya ana mwili pia, hasa tangu umwilisho wa Yesu.
Kunahitajika skills kidogo tu za kufanya literature review kubaini tofauti hii.
Unakwama wapi?
Acha kukariri mambo kama kasuku.

[emoji2][emoji2][emoji2][emoji2][emoji2][emoji2] na bikira maria je?? Acha matango pori.
 
HOJA: Ndugu, dini/dhehebu kote Duniani ni urithi wa kimnyororo wa familia. Tunazaliwa, tunapitishwa njia za kiimani za dini /dhehebu za wazazi. Hakuna logic katika andiko lako kwamba MBOWE ameukataa (willingly and intentionally) UKATOLIKI hivyo hapaswi kuombewa na dhehebu.

JIBU: Bila kujali alibatizwa katika umri gani, matatu yako wazi, (1) Katika umri wa utu uzima wake hajawahi kujiunga na Ukatoliki. (2) Katika umri wa utu uzima wake hajawahi kuukana Ulutheri wake aliourithi kifamilia. (3) Kwa hiyo, katika umri wa utu uzima wake haukubali na hajawahi kuukubali Ukatoliki. Anaikataa Ukatoliki by practice. Hivyo, awe mzima au mfu, leo hana haki yoyote anayopaswa kudai kutoka Kanisa Katoliki.

HOJA: Yesu alikuwa MKATOLIKI, MLUTHERANI, MSABATO, MLOKOLE?

JIBU: Yesu Kristo alikuwa Myahudi mpaka utu uzima wake. Baadaye akaukataa Uyahudi kwa hoja na kuanzisha movement yake ambayo leo inaitwa Ukristo

Tupe mstari wa kwenye biblia unaosema YESU aliukataa uyahudi.
NB usilete uchafu wa kunukuu kwenye katekisimu yenu.
 
Sababu ni hii: Mungu wa Wakatoliki sio kisawe cha Mungu wa Walutheri.

Ni hivi:

Mungu wa Wakatoliki na Mungu wa Walutheri wanafanana kwa sababu wote wanazo nafsi tatu, walishiriki kuumba mbingu na nchi, nk.

Lakini:

Kwa upande mmoja, MUngu wa Wakatoliki, kati ya mengine, anakataza matumizi ya kondomu, anazuia makuhani kuoa, alianzisha upadirisho kama sakramenti, na anafundisha kuwa malengo mazuri hayapaswi kuhalalisha mbinu haramu hata siku moja.

Kwa upande mwingine, Mungu wa KKKT anaruhusu matumizi ya kondomu, anaruhusu makuhani kuoa, hakuanzisha upadirisho kama sakramenti, na anafundisha kuwa katika mazingira fulani malengo mazuri yanaweza kuhalalisha mbinu haramu.

Mbowe katika umri wa utu uzima anazijua tofauti hizi na ameamua kwa hiari yake mwenyewe kubaki katika kambi ya Mungu wa KKKT.

Kuna swali jingine?

Unapoandika huu uharo naomba uwe unaleta na vifungu vya biblia tafadhali.
 
God cannot give what she doesn't have.
Mfano, ukimwomba Mungu wa Wakatoliki akujalie matumizi bora ya kondomu, hakupi!
Kwenye kapu la baraka zake hilo halimo.
Pia ukimwomba Mungu wa Wakatoliki abariki waasi wa imani katoliki hakubali.
Hawa tayari wameandikwa kwenye kitabu cha hukumu!
For real[emoji15][emoji15]! So pathetic.
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Dada,
-Kwa sababu sasa wataka kuujadili ukristo, waonaje kama utakua unaambatanisha kwenye hoja zako vifungu husika vya Biblia Takatifu. Machapisho mengi nje ya Biblia yanahitaji sio tu kwa uangalifu mkubwa kuyasoma, bali pia neema ya Mungu kuyatafakari.
-Kwa mujibu wa taarifa zilizopo, wanaomwombea Mbowe wapo Wakatoliki, Walutheli, Walokole na makundi mengi mengine; kwa upendo wao kwa Mbowe na pia imani waliyonayo kuwa Mungu wanaemwabudu atatenda HAKI.
-Yawezekana humpendi Mbowe na LABDA hata chama chake, LAKINI ukiruhusu chuki hizo kukutawala utakuwa wampa nafasi shetani kukuongoza. "Angalieni sana mtu yeyote asipungukiwe na neema ya Mungu, na muwe waangalifu pasizuke chuki ambayo, kama mmea wenye sumu, inaweza kukua ikaleta matatizo na kuwachafua wengi".Waebrania 12:15
AMEN

Mkuu, huyu mleta mada reference yake ni katekisimu na roman encyclopidia, kama umefatilia hoja zake zote hakuna reference ya mstari wa Biblia hata mmoja.
 
Your supposed accuracy is denied. And I have two points in response.
  • One is epistemological.
  • The second is ontological.
Epistemological response: You have not provided authority to support your claims. Why should I believe your claim?

Ontological response: This is about my argument from the principle of individuation. I restate it as follows:


  1. The principle of necessary and sufficient conditions for individuality states that wherever there is property difference between two entities there is numeric diversity and that wherever there is absolute property similarity between two entities there is numerical identity.
  2. There are property differences between Catholic God, Lutheran God, Islamic God, SDA God , etc
  3. Thus, Catholic God, Lutheran God, Islamic God, SDA God, and so on, are distinct Gods, where the existence of each God is practically asserted by its followers and practically denied by its non-followers.
Accordingly:
  • For a catholic X, Lutheran God is not.
  • A believer in the non-existence of a given God is called an atheist.
  • Thus, with respect to Lutheran God, X is an atheist.
Again:
  • For Lutheran Y, catholic God is not.
  • A believer in the non-existence of a given God is called an atheist.
  • Thus, with respect to catholic God, Y is an atheist.

In effect:
  • We pray for atheists so that they may be converted from unbelief status to belief status and not otherwise.
  • For these reasons, all Lutherans including Mbowe are atheists with respect to Catholic God.
  • And all Catholics, including Pope Francis, are atheists with respect to Lutheran God.
Finally:

This is what the elementary metaphysical principle of individuation, properly understood, teaches us.


Volume inatosha au ningeze tena kidogo?

Umeona sasa, yani wewe hoja zako zote zina-base kwenye philosophical terms zako, hapa ili twende sawa inabidi ulete vifungu vya Biblia. Ndo maana tutaendelea kupishana kwa hoja humu.
 
Walimu wangu wa Philosophical Theology walinifundisha kuwa kusudi mtu aweze kuelewa vema Mungu WAKE ni kitu gani na sio kitu gani, yafaa atambue na kuitumia kanuni muhimu: Yaani kanuni ya identity through time isemayo kwamba:

DEFINITION: An Object O2 spatiotemporally located at (P2, T2) is numerically identical with an object O1 spatiotemporally located at (P1, T1) if and only if there exists some space-time path connecting (P2, T2) with (P1, T1) such that for every point, (Pi, Ti), along this path (including P2 and T2) there exists an object, Oi, which is qualitatively similar to each of the objects in the neighborhood of (Pi, Ti ) and which is the same type of thing as O1.

Kwa mujibu wa kanuni hii:

  • A disincarnated god is not identical with an incarnated god;
  • A contraceptophobic god is not identical with a contraceptophilic god;
  • God whose third person comes from the father alone is not identical with god whose third person comes from the father and the son;
  • God who prefers to be worshipped in Sunday is not identical with god who prefers to be worshipped in Saturday;
  • God who prefers to be worshipped on Friday is not identical with god who prefers to be worshipped on another day;
  • Na orodha inaendelea.

Kwa hiyo, mistari ya Biblia inayosema kuwa Mungu ni yule yule, jana leo na milele; na kwamba Mungu tunayemwabudu leo ndiye Mungu wa Mungu wa Musa, Mungu wa Isaka, na Mungu wa Yakobo, ni mistari batili! Wanaweza kuikubali wakatekumeni tu!

Nadhani sasa umeanza kuelewa hoja!

Kwa uelewa zaidi soma nondo hizi zilizoambatanishwa hapa chini:

  • Contemporary Philosophical Theology by Charles Taliaferro, Chad Meister
  • The Oxford Handbook of Philosophical Theology (Oxford Handbooks) by Thomas P. Flint, Michael Rea
  • Beyond Experience: Metaphysical Theories and Philosophical Constraints by: Norman Swartz​


[emoji2][emoji2][emoji2][emoji2][emoji2][emoji2][emoji2][emoji2] yani wewe either utakua Agnostic au Atheist[emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91]
 
I am very delighted to find brilliant guys who could give a competent analysis of issues of today. Whoever disregard this contribution must be a person whose minds fluid is leaking.

It is the very open secret that the demise of Chadema is very near, since the Party's life is pegged to the life of Mbowe. We now have Mbowe out of scene, so is Chadema.

Keep it up, though you must be prepared to receive negative comments from imbeciles.

Chadema itakufa lakini Upinzani hauwezi kufa.
 
You seem to be uncritically rehearsing and dropping illusory words you crammed during your school years in order to pass exams and qualify for a graduation certificate without education.

Admittedly, if God created space-time, then it is logical to assert that, in the beginning God WAS outside this space-time we know, since, etiologically speaking, the antecedent is always prior to the consequent.

It is here assumed that God created this space-time while located in the presumed outer space.

The latter is not empirically knowable to us since we can only empirically know what is located in space time.

However, logically, it seems that, no longer is today's God wholly located outside the four-dimensional space-time (x, y, z, t) we know.

To maintain otherwise is to carelessly confuse the past tense with the present tense, and to ignore the fact that God is immanently omnipresent, from which it follows that He is both within and beyond space-time. This position follows from the following argument:
  • If God exists, then, in terms of attributes, he is transcendent (i.e., exists outside space-time) and immanently omnipresent (i.e., exists anywhere in space-time). (P1)
  • A transcendent being cannot exist anywhere in space-time and an omnipresent being must immanently exist everywhere in space-time. (P2)
  • Thus, it is impossible for a transcendent being to be immanently omnipresent (from 3 and 4). (P3)
  • By definition, a set of propositions entails a contradiction if it simultaneously asserts and denies a given position (P4)
  • Therefore, the existence of a transcendent and immanent God is a contradiction (from P1, 2, and P4). (P5)
This contradiction is undeniable. And to deny this contradiction is to concede cognitive incompetence on the part of the denier!

If so, how can we still make sense of God as a being that is outside of space-time, and yet has created it, interacts with his creations that are confined to space-time, and at one specific point in history entered into space-time in the person of Jesus?

We can circumvent this contradiction by adjusting P2 so that, a transcendent being can exist anywhere in space-time and beyond.

So, if God is everywhere in space-time and is unchanging, then, he would be expected to be at such points as (P1,T1); (P2,T2); ...., (Pi,Ti), ......, (Pn,Tn); where the locus running from (P1,T1) to (Pn,Tn) is occupied by the same God.

Thus, it is OK to describe such God's Identity in terms of spatial and temporal variables, as I did. That is, to describe God's Identity in terms of time-indexed variables and space-indexed variables. Our philosophical theology allows it.

Thus, concerning space-indexed properties, we can say that God-at-Dar is the same as God-at-Dodoma or vice versa; or that, God-in-the-Mosque is the same as God-in-the-synagogue or vice versa.

Similarly, concerning time-indexed properties, we can say that, God-of-1514 is the same as God-of-2021 or vice versa; or that, God-of-the-Old-Testament is the same as God-of-the-New-Testament or vice versa.

The key assumption here is that, one of the key attributes of spiritual substances is penetrability, as opposed to the attribute of impenetrability. The latter is usually possessed by material substances.

As a rule, every material body must have weight, volume, occupy a particular location in space, and it is impossible for two bodies to be at the same location at the same time. The latter property is called impenetrability.

Just as one body can not be simultaneously occupy more than one locations, so too, two bodies cannot occupy the same location simultaneously.

It follows that each body must occupy a particular location, inaccessible to any other body, as long as the former is not ejected from it.

Generally, if at times it appears that a body completely enters another body, there is even then no penetration; instead the pores in one body accept particles of the other, after the ejection of any matter that might previously have occupied the pores.

Whatever is impenetrable belongs to the category of bodies, and therefore the essence of bodies is their impenetrability, on which therefore all their other properties must be founded.

Since bodies through their essence are impenetrable, no force, however large, is able to compress two bodies such that, even in their smallest parts, a real interpenetration can occur.

By definition, then, impenetrability is the name given to that quality of matter whereby two bodies cannot occupy the same space at the same time.

For example, you cannot sit on the chair which is already occupied by another person.

The opposite of impenetrability is penetrability, hereby defined as, the ability of two types of substances to occupy the same space at the same time.

Examples of penetrability are common in the physical world. It is by reason of the attribute of penetrability, as their intrinsic property, sound energy and magnetic energy can cross walls from one room to the next without any hindrance.

By the same logic, given the divine attribute of penetrability, God can be inside the wall and outside the wall, below the ground and above the ground, inside our bodies and outside our bodies, and so on.

This way, we are capable of describing God in terms of world-indexed properties, and time-indexed properties, without any hesitation.

Professor Alvin Plantinga has been very useful in elucidating this concept of world-indexed properties.

He is the inventor of the concept of world-indexed properties. These are properties such as being speculative in possible world W.

What these properties are to possible worlds is what time-indexed properties such as being careless at time T are to instants of time.

Interesting, yani wewe ni either Agnostic au Atheist, na hizo falsafa zako naamini zimeshaanza kukufanya uhoji uwepo wa Mungu.[emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91]
 
Hilo ndio tatizo pekee la wapenda dini zaidi ya kumpenda Mungu...

Dini sana bila maarifa ya Mungu ndani yako matokeo yake ndio hayo mama amon..

Mtafute Mungu kwanza, atakuundisha taratibu zake.. Hasira, Ubishi, na Ujuajibni misingi ya pepo wa dini, usije ukazani kwenda kwenye hilo jengo la dini yako ndio kumjua Mungu, HAPANA... Unaweza ukawa unaenda kila siku na bado ukawa demon possessed.

Mbowe is spiritually free, wait and see he will be released, quote this.

Im asking you again.. do you know Gentamicin [emoji1787]?

Spiritual Intelligence.

Mkuu we mshauri tu aanze kusoma Biblia, maana inavyoonekana hasomi biblia huyu.
 
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