Ujue uchaguzi wa Marekani (USA) na jinsi rais wake anavyochaguliwa

5523 said:

Soma hapo chini, usipotoshe umma nimeona nikujibu moja kwa moja. hao ni viongozi katika history ya marekani walifeli kwenye kwenye popular vote lakini wakawa marais wa marekani kwa wingi wa Electoral College votes

1. Rutherford B. Hayes (1876): In the highly contested election against Samuel J. Tilden, Hayes lost the popular vote but won the Electoral College by a single vote, 185 to 184. The election was marred by disputes over electoral returns in several Southern states, which led to a special electoral commission that ultimately awarded the disputed votes to Hayes.
2. Benjamin Harrison (1888): Harrison lost the popular vote to incumbent President Grover Cleveland but won the Electoral College, 233 to 168. Harrison carried key swing states, despite Cleveland receiving more votes overall.
3. George W. Bush (2000): In a very close election against Al Gore, Bush lost the popular vote by approximately 500,000 votes but won the Electoral College, 271 to 266. The outcome hinged on a contentious recount in Florida, which was ultimately decided by a Supreme Court ruling in Bush's favor.

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Nyani Ngabu said:

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Hivi darasani ulikuwa unapata alama gani wewe?

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Nyani Ngabu said:

Hakuna siri yoyote ile.

Watu mna vichwa vigumu tu vya kuelewa mambo.

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Zanzibar-ASP said:

Narudia kuandika hapa, State popular votes (ambayo ndio msingi wa kumpata rais wa USA) ni tofauti kabisa general popular votes (ambayo haitumiki kabisa kumpata rais wa USA). Mara zote general popular votes hutumika kuchambua umaarufu wa mgombea kiujumla jumla mbele ya wamarekani wote kuliko kuelezea ushindi katika uchaguzi wa USA. Wagombea na vyama vyote wanalijua sana hilo, na wakati wote hulizingatia sana katika kampeni zao. Kushinda urais wa USA kunahitaji hesabu za kisayansi katika siasa za kidemokrasia na wala sio umaarufu wa kiujumla jumla wa kisiasa.

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Nyani Ngabu said:

Hapa unapigia mbuzi gitaa.

Watu wasiojua kutofautisha ‘L’ na ‘R’ hawana uwezo wa kuelewa.

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Nyani Ngabu said:

Hapa unapigia mbuzi gitaa.

Watu wasiojua kutofautisha ‘L’ na ‘R’ hawana uwezo wa kuelewa.

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Nyani Ngabu said:

District of Columbia ina wajumbe watatu [3], siyo wawili.

535+3=538.




Maelezo mazuri.

Inafurahisha kuona walau wapo watu humu ambao kidogo wana uelewa wa mfumo wa uchaguzi mkuu wa urais ulivyo nchini Marekani.

Maana kuna watu wengine humu hawajui, na mbaya zaidi, hawajui kama hawajui.

Ukiwaeleza kuwa wanavyoelewa ni makosa, wanashupaza shingo na kuleta ubishi.

Hawajui tofauti ya national popular votes na state popular votes.

Hawajui ni votes zipi ndizo zinazoamua mgombea apate EV za jimbo.

Ukiwaeleza kwamba demokrasia ya Marekani siyo ‘direct democracy’, bali ni ‘representative democracy’, ndo unazidi kuwachanganya.

Ukienda ndani zaidi na kuwaeleza kwamba, Marekani siyo demokrasia [America is not a democracy] bali ni constitutional federal republic, ndo unawapoteza kabisa na watakubatiza majina yote!

Nyongeza: electoral college votes za jimbo huongezeka na/au hupungua kuendana na idadi ya watu/ wakazi waliopo jimboni.

Mfano, jimbo la California, Abraham Lincoln alipata kura 4 mwaka 1860. Kwenye uchaguzi wa 1864 akapata kura 5.

Mwaka 1980, Ronald Reagan alipata kura 45. Mwaka 1984 akapata kura 47.

Mwaka 2000 Al Gore alipata kura 54.

Hillary Clinton 2016 na Joe Biden 2020, walipata kura 55.

2024, California ina electoral votes 54.

Hapo utaona zimepungua. Hiyo ni kutokana na jimbo kupungukiwa wakazi na hivyo kupoteza kiti kimoja cha bunge la wawakilishi.

Kuongezeka au kupungua kwake, kunafuatia matokeo ya sensa.

Sensa ya mwisho Marekani ilikuwa 2020. Matokeo ya sensa hiyo yalitolewa 2021.

Ndo maana Joe Biden 2020 alipata EV 55. Lakini mwaka huu 2024, zimepungua na kuwa 54.

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Kitakuta said:

Hawa wana democrasia feki.
Hawana democrasia hawa. Point za ushindi kampeni-:
• kupromote usenge na kusagana
• kuruhusu wavuta bangi wavute free eti ndio uhuru huo
• watoaji mimba urahisishwe uhuru mwingine huo.

Muisrael kupitia AIPAC anawahonga million wabunge wa congress na rais wao asalimu amri aitumikie israel na asalimu amri mia fil mia. Wamerakani wananchi ni kama kondoo tu walikipa kodi inakusanywa anapewa myahudi kuua ovyo.
Hii ndio democrasia feki

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Mdakuzi said:

Na shida kubwa ya humu ni wale wasiojua lakini hawajui kama hawajui.

Umefafanua vizuri sana mkuu.

Ova

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JokaKuu said:

..demokrasia ya Marekani ni nzuri kwasababu wanaoshindana wana nguvu zinazokaribiana.

..hapa Tanzania Ccm inapokea ruzuku BILLION 3.2 kila mwezi, halafu wanashindana na vyama vinavyopata million 5 au sifuri kama ruzuku.

..Marekani kila chama kina nafasi ya kushinda ili mradi kimeweka mgombea mzuri anayejua kushawishi wapiga kura.

..hapa Tanzania tunaye Samia ambaye ni mgombea mbovu kuliko wanaofikiriwa watagombea kupitia vyama vya upinzani lakini Ccm wanatarajia ushindi asilimia 100%.

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Matrix19 said:

Kwa kuongezea tu ni kuwa uchaguzi wa marekani unavyoendeshwa ni rahisi sana kuuona mchakato dhahiri na kwa uwazi kuliko Tanzania mdudu aitwaye tume ya uchaguzi[ saa hizi wanaiita tume huru japo sio huru kwa uhalisia bali imedalika jina] hiki chombo ndio kinaharibu chaguzi zote 100% naamini vyombo vya dola licha ya kuibeba CCM ila tume ikiwa huru kweli hata vyombo vya dola havitosimamia kupindua chaguo la wananchi .

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JokaKuu said:

..100%.

..tangu Tanu / Ccm imeanzishwa Tume ya Uchaguzi hajawahi kuengua mgombea hata mmoja wa chama hicho.

..sasa piga hesabu Tume ya Uchaguzi imewahi kuengua wagombea wangapi wa vyama vya upinzani.

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Jasmoni Tegga said:

Hiyo ni uongoooo, buana. Mleta-mada amefafanua vizuri sana. Rejea kwenye maelezo yake.

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Zanzibar-ASP said:

Nadhani mleta mada kuna nanna haufahamu uchaguzi wa USA kiuhalisia, ni kama umekaririshwa fulani au ameandika kinadharia mnoo hata kama alichokiandika kuna chembechembe za ukweli.

Kwa kifupi sana, mfumo wa uchaguzi wa USA kumpata raisi wake huamuliwa na wamerekani wenyewe kwa wingi wao na wala sio kweli kuwa mshindi huamuliwa na wajumbe wa Electoral college! Ukishinda Popular votes katika majimbo mengi na muhimu zaidi basi wewe tayari ni mshindi. Kura za wajumbe wa Electoral college ni hitimisho la mchakato wa kura za Popular vote za kila jimbo. Kwanini nasema hivyo, waza haya.

1. Uchaguzi wa USA rasmi (ambapo Popular votes hupigwa) utafanyika siku ya jumanne (5/November) na katika hali ya kawaida kufikia jioni ya siku ya jumatano (6/November) tayari mshindi wa kiti cha urais wa USA atakuwa tayari amejulikana kwa kila mtu dunia nzima, wakati upigaji wa kura za wajumbe wa Electoral college zitakuja kufanyika wiki kadhaa huko baadaye. Kama wajumbe wa Electoral college (independently) huamia mshindi wa urais wa USA, kwanini mshindi ajulikane kabla ya kura zao kupigwa?

2. Hakuna mgombea yoyote wala chama chochote katika USA kinachoweza kupoteza hata dakika moja kuwafuata hao wajumbe wa Electoral college kikiomba kura zao. Yaani hakunaga kampeni za kuwashawishi hao wajumbe wa electoral college. Sio kwamba inakatazwa bali kimsingi hakuna mantiki ya kufanya hivyo.
Sasa Kama hao wajumbe ndio huamua nani awe rais, kwanini wagombea na vyama vyao wasitumie kila resource kuwashawishi hao wajumbe kuliko kutumia hizo resource kusaka popular votes ambazo 'haziamui' nani awe rais?


HITIMISHO LANGU.
Mchakato wa uchaguzi wa USA kumpata mshindi hauna tofauti yoyote ya kimsingi na chaguzi zingine za nchi nyingi za kidemokrasia ya moja kwa moja, tofauti chache zinazoelezwa zipo katika sayansi ya kutafsiri walio wengi ni kina nani au wamepatikanaje. Kwa mfano, katika uchaguzi wa Tz, mshindi wa kiti cha urais ni lazima apate zaidi ya 50% ya kura zote halali, na mshindi wa kiti cha ubunge au udiwani ni yule mwenye kura nyingi zaidi ya wagombea wengine (hata kama mshindi amepata chini ya 9% ya kura zote).

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Nyani Ngabu said:

Hakuna siri yoyote ile.

Watu mna vichwa vigumu tu vya kuelewa mambo.

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politics observer said:

Ushajiita nyani alafu unataka argument na mm, tafuta wenzako porini huko

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politics observer said:

Ww n mpumbavu sn, inaonekana uelewa wako wa mambo n mdogo sn,

Huwez kum bully mtu kisa muundo wa herufi katika matamshi….

R na L n herufi tuu ktk muundo wa matamshi ya maneno, mostly huathiriwa na makuzi ya mtu, sababu za kikanda, sababu za kikabila n hata mazingira…

Bt believe me, am ten times smarter than you in every thing u ever learned so far….

Tht why unatoka kwny hoja za msingi unarukia muundo wa sentence ambao kimsing sio hoja iliopo mezani

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1academ said:

hongera mwamba trump mazeee uko vizuriii...ulisha sema punda ako kwenye mteremkoo yaani wabeba boksi wote wanarudi tzz walime mpunga wa mamaa..

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