DOKEZO Responded Zanzibar iungwe na Bara kwa Daraja - Wazo Jipya

[Kiranga]

Priorities, and more priorities! Mambo kama haya wala yasingekuwa issue kama tungekuwa na strategic plannings.

Ukiwa na strategic planning utajuwa ni kipi kifanyike wakati gani na kwanini, sisi tuko tuko tu, na matokeo yake pamoja na mengine ndo haya.

Na kuona watu wengi wana support hili la kujenga daraja katika nchi ambayo ina needs nyingi immediate zaidi kunaonyesha priorities zetu zilivyokuwa bungled.

 

[Kiranga]

Wacha masikhara bana! Tutatoaje namba hapa wakati tunazungumzia wazo la kufanya hivyo kwa ujumla? Hayo ya namba, idadi, na mengineyo yanakuja baada ya kuamua.

Sasa hapa unataka uambiwe kuwa kuli-maintain litachukua wahandisi 50 wenye at least Bsc. in Civil Engineering, 30 wenye Msc. in Construction Engineering, etc.? Come on now...

Hahahaha, unanichekesha.

Kwa hiyo unaamua unanunua gari fulani kabla ya kujua gari linauzwa kiasi gani? Ukikuta huna hicho kiasi uamuzi wako utakuwaje sasa?

kwangu mimi unaangalia gharama kabla ya kuamua kununua. Ukiamua unafanya "an informed decision". Sio unaamua tu halafu unatumaini kwamba budget itatosha.

Kama huwezi kutoa hata an approximation ya maintenance plan huna haki ya kupendekeza lijengwe, utakuwa ushabiki usiokuwa informed.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Planning is prioritization, sasa kama hujaonyesha priority ya mradi huu ambao haupo wakati tunaona serikali inashindwa kulipa walimu timely, kwa nini tuongeze mzigo wakati huu tulionao unatuelemea?

Honestly, haya mengine tunashindwa kwa ajili ya uzembe, uongozi mbovu, na upuuzi puuzi mwingine kama huo. Nakataa kabisa kuwa eti serikali yetu inashindwa kuwalipa walimu kwa sababu ya kukosa "uwezo".

Hivi umewahi kusikia mawaziri na raisi mishahara yao imechelewa kulipwa?

It's not like tusipojenga daraja Zanzibar hakuendeki. The way you guys are stressing this you would think daraja ndio njia pekee ya kwenda Zanzibar.

That's not it at all.

Nimeomba hesabu za kuonyesha justification, tukijenga daraja tutaongeza uchumi kivipi? Isije kuwa daraja likaja kuwa a white elephant project.

Nina shaka sana kama daraja kama hilo linaweza kuwa a white elephant. Sasa hivi watu walio wengi wanatumia usafiri wa maji kwa sababu tu hawana option nyingine ambayo ni nafuu zaidi.

Given the option between driving, sailing, and flying, I believe many people would chose driving.

Na njia mojawapo ya kukusanya mapato ni kuwa na toll gates.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Kimsingi kama mtu huna background ya engineering, wala huna input ya watu wenye background hiyo, kupendekeza mradi kama huu ni kitu cha hatari.

JFK alikuwa mhandisi wa maroketi ya kwenda angani?

 

[Kiranga]

JFK alikuwa mhandisi wa maroketi ya kwenda angani?

JFK alipata input ya watu wenye ujuzi wa astrophysics, hakuibuka tu kusema "tunataka kwenda mwezini" kama kichaa mwenye ambition, ndiyo maana akaweza hata kuweka a feasible timeline.

Hapa daraja lenu hata timeline hamjatupa.

 

[jmushi1]

Kazi kweli kweli lol!

I still believe what we need is to prioritize.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Hahahaha, unanichekesha.

Oh yeah? I'm glad you got a laugh out of it.

Kwa hiyo unaamua unanunua gari fulani kabla ya kujua gari linauzwa kiasi gani? Ukikuta huna hicho kiasi uamuzi wako utakuwaje sasa?

Duh! Wewe bana....ni hivi, kwanza kabla ya kuamua kununua gari unaangalia kama unahitaji kununua gari na pia kama uwezo wa kununua gari unao.

Ukiona uwezo unao, unaangalia mahitaji yako sasa..je, ununue SUV, Monster truck, sedan, au van. Baada ya hapo ndiyo unaanza ku shop around sasa. Baada ya ku shop around ndo utakuwa na picha nzuri zaidi ya uwezo wako kwa sababu gar si kununua tu...kuna mambo ya bima, registration, fuel, maintenance, n.k.

kwangu mimi unaangalia gharama kabla ya kuamua kununua. Ukiamua unafanya "an informed decision". Sio unaamua tu halafu unatumaini kwamba budget itatosha.

Sasa hapa nadhani una assume tu kuwa watu wataamua tu kujenga m-daraja bila kufanya "visibility" study. Siyo hivyo hata kidogo.

Kama huwezi kutoa hata an approximation ya maintenance plan huna haki ya kupendekeza lijengwe, utakuwa ushabiki usiokuwa informed.

Kiranga bana....yaani kweli unataka mimi na Mwanakijiji tuje na specifics au approximations hapa?

 

[Kiranga]

Honestly, haya mengine tunashindwa kwa ajili ya uzembe, uongozi mbovu, na upuuzi puuzi mwingine kama huo. Nakataa kabisa kuwa eti serikali yetu inashindwa kuwalipa walimu kwa sababu ya kukosa "uwezo".

Hivi umewahi kusikia mawaziri na raisi mishahara yao imechelewa kulipwa?



That's not it at all.



Nina shaka sana kama daraja kama hilo linaweza kuwa a white elephant. Sasa hivi watu walio wengi wanatumia usafiri wa maji kwa sababu tu hawana option nyingine ambayo ni nafuu zaidi.

Diven the option between driving, sailing, and flying, I believe many people would chose driving.

Na njia mojawapo ya kukusanya mapato ni kuwa na toll gates.

One thing I don't want people to get me wrong about.

Siko against kujenga daraja, inawezekana kujenga daraja kuko technically feasible, economically desirable and politically sensible.

Lakini kabla ya kukubali kujenga daraja inabidi tujue hivyo kwanza.

Ndiyo maana nasema uamuzi wa kukubali au kukataa hili daraja itabidi uende na details. Bila details mna "fly blind" na mkigonga "white elephant" button mnaingiza vizazi 10-20 vijavyo kwenye deni kama mkataba wa IPTL.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

JFK alipata input ya watu wenye ujuzi wa astrophysics, hakuibuka tu kusema "tunataka kwenda mwezini" kama kichaa mwenye ambition.

So what are you implying here....that the pro-bridge brigade here (in JF) can't even bring up the idea?

 

[jmushi1]

Ni lazima tuwe na namba flani bana, at least mseme project inaweza ku cost so and so tzs trillions.
Mnaweza kuanzia na gharama za wachina, halafu muweke factors za distance(mfano la wachina ni km 42) na limecost so and so amount of money.Na la kwetu litakuwa na distance gani?Kuna distance gani kutoka Zanzibar hadi Dar?

Na pia la muhimu ni availability ya all that is needed to have a viable project.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

One thing I don't want to people to get me wrong.

Siko against kujenga daraja, inawezekana kujenga daraja kuko technically feasible, economically desirable and politically sensible.

Lakini kabla ya kukubali kujenga daraja inabidi tujue hivyo kwanza.

Ndiyo maana nasema uamuzi wa kukubali au kukataa hili daraja itabidi uende na details. Bila details mna "fly blind" na mkigonga "white elephant" button mnaingiza vizazi 10-20 vijavyo kwenye deni kama mkataba wa IPTL.

Ahaaa...sasa angalau nimekuelewa. Ila kumbuka kuwa hapa hatujadili jambo ambalo limekwisha fanyiwa uamuzi. Kama tungekuwa tunajadili jambo ambalo limekwisha fanyiwa uamuzi basi hayo maswali yako (ambayo hata mimi ninayo) yangehusika zaidi.

 

[Kiranga]

Mwanakijiji katoa mfano wa TAZARA. Tuangalie na tujifunze kutoka historia mipango inayopewa kipaumbele cha kisiasa bila kuangalia uchumi inaishia vipi.

Na tujiulize hili daraja tutafanya kipi tofauti na TAZARA tusirudi huku huku? naona traffic inapungua TAZARA.

Sasa mambo kama haya ndiyo yanayonifanya niulize details. Sio mnajenga mdaraja mkubwa unapitisha magari mia kwa siku.

TAZARA Railway - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[h=2]Future of TAZARA[/h]In 2005 the governments of Tanzania and Zambia agreed to privatize TAZARA due to a serious fall in traffic from 1.2mT in 1990 to 630kT in 2003 and a need for $25m worth of locomotive repairs.
Officials of the governments opened meetings on April 20, 2006. While the method of privatization was not determined at that time, officials stated that Chinese interests may be given priority due to their previous involvement in the railway.[SUP][13][/SUP] As of October 2008, a Tanzanian newspaper described the railway's condition as being "on the verge of collapse due to financial crisis", with the company being three months late on paying worker's wages and most of its 12 locomotives being out of service.[SUP][14][/SUP]
At the beginning of 2010 the Chinese government has given the financially crippled Tanzania-Zambia Railways Authority (TAZARA) US$39 million interest-free loan to revive its operations.[SUP][15][/SUP][SUP][16][/SUP]

 

[Kiranga]

Ahaaa...sasa angalau nimekuelewa. Ila kumbuka kuwa hapa hatujadili jambo ambalo limekwisha fanyiwa uamuzi. Kama tungekuwa tunajadili jambo ambalo limekwisha fanyiwa uamuzi basi hayo maswali yako (ambayo hata mimi ninayo) yangehusika zaidi.

Kwa hiyo kama kuna watendaji wazembe wa serikali wenye influence wanasoma mawazo ya watu humu na kuyachukua, wewe hutatoa upinzani kwa project kama hii? Waje waone kuwa Watanzania wengi wanataka hiki kitu, waamue kukifanyia kazi, wakitangaze, ndipo uanze kuuliza maswali?

What's the point of the opposition then and not now? If then, why not now?

 

[jmushi1]

Ama tunataka kujenga "daraja la muungano"?

 

[Kiranga]

Ni lazima tuwe na namba flani bana, at least mseme project inaweza ku cost so and so tzs trillions.
Mnaweza kuanzia na gharama za wachina, halafu muweke factors za distance(mfano la wachina ni km 42) na limecost so and so amount of money.Na la kwetu litakuwa na distance gani?Kuna distance gani kutoka Zanzibar hadi Dar?

Na pia la muhimu ni availability ya all that is needed to have a viable project.

Huwezi kuona namba hapa, kwanza hesabu ni ugonjwa wa taifa, pili Tanzania ni nchi ya "No Data Available" hata hiyo serikali yenyewe huenda haijui kina cha hiyo channel inayotenganisha Bara na Zanzibar.

Watu wanataka kujenga daraja!

 

[Kiranga]

So what are you implying here....that the pro-bridge brigade here (in JF) can't even bring up the idea?

Watu wanaleta ushairi katika an engineering project, hamna hata makadirio ya science fiction za Dr. Asimov anayeweza kukuambia idadi ya atom katika solar system au Drake equation inayoweza kukuambika formula ya kupata intelligent beings in a galaxy?

Hatari!

Halafu kesho utasikia watu hao hao wanawashambulia viongozi wetu kwa kufanya maamuzi ya kitaalamu kwa kutumia siasa tu.

Sasa tofauti yao hawa na hao viongozi wetu ni nini?

 

[Companero]

Huwezi kuona namba hapa, kwanza hesabu ni ugonjwa wa taifa, pili Tanzania ni nchi ya "No Data Available" hata hiyo serikali yenyewe huenda haijui kina cha hiyo channel inayotenganisha Bara na Zanzibar.

Watu wanataka kujenga daraja!

data zipo, watafuta mafuta hawa wana data kibao: http://www.tpdc-tz.com/Activity_Map_2012.pdf

 

[Companero]

Watu wanaleta ushairi katika an engineering project, hamna hata makadirio ya science fiction za Dr. Asimov anayeweza kukuambia idadi ya atom katika solar system au Drake equation inayoweza kukuambika formula ya kupata intelligent beings in a galaxy?

Hatari!

Halafu kesho utasikia watu hao hao wanawashambulia viongozi wetu kwa kufanya maamuzi ya kitaalamu kwa kutumia siasa tu.

Sasa tofauti yao hawa na hao viongozi wetu ni nini?

you don't need to be a rocket scientist to build a bridge

 

[Companero]

"to plan is to choose": List of longest bridges in the world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Kiranga]

data zipo, watafuta mafuta hawa wana data kibao: http://www.tpdc-tz.com/Activity_Map_2012.pdf

Mie naona vitalu vya mafuta tu, data gani unazoongelea hapo?