Kwanini Watanzania na Tanzania ni masikini pamoja na rasilimali (resources) tulizonazo?

[Mtazamaji]

A major public works project such as building a national highway system.

Sure Tuko pamoja but naona sasa wanatengeneza High way za anga kama Songwe International Airport ambazo sijui ni watanzania wa ngapi wanazitumia na kuzimudu na zitasafirha nini au ton ngapi ya bidhaa.

Nadhani kunatakiwa kuwepo na project kubwa kama ya reli ya kati iwe two way( At east from Dar-dom kwa kuanza au kufanya (Overhaul ) muda wa safari ya treni ya abiria ya kasi kutoka dar mwanza uwe not more than 12 hours .

 

[DAR si LAMU]

DAR sii LAMU, Vitu ulivyovitaja hapo chini Maji, Umeme na Usafiri ndivyo nguzo kuu ya uzalishaji bila vitu hivyo hatuna sababu ya hata kuendeleza mjadala wa uchumi, huwezi kukuna meli kuitumia jangwani..

...Ndugu, ni kweli kabisa, we need to go back to the basics.

 

[DAR si LAMU]

Mfano, Waafrika ni weusi si kwasababu wana DNA tofauti. Kinachotokea ni kuwa wao wana kitu kinaitwa 'melanin' kinachotoa rangi ya ngozi. Melanin ipo kwa wanadamu wa race zote. Kinachotokea ni kuwa Waafrika melanin zao zinakuwa dominant kutoka na kuwa katika tropical ambako jua ni kali muda wote. Hii hutokea kama adaptation ya mwanadamu kukidhi na kukabiliana na mazingira fulani. Ndiyo maana maradhi kama ya Cancer ya ngozi ni kidogo sana ukilinganisha na watu weupe. Watu weupe wana melanin lakini ni 'recessive' kwa maana ya kuwa hazijitokezi kutokana na mazingira yao. Haiwezekani mtu anayeishi Arctic au Iceland akawa na melanin kwa kiwango kinachotokeza sawa na Mnubi wa Arua kule Uganda.

...Naomba kuuliza. Hivi, kwanini watu weusi wa Marekani, let say, wa kizazi cha tano sasa, hawajaweza kuwa kama wazungu. How long does it takes for one to be in accordance with the said environment?.

 

[DAR si LAMU]

Lakini mwisho wa siku ukweli wa mambo uko kwenye hali halisi. Ni ukweli usiopingika kuwa Wazungu wamechangia sana katika uvumbuzi wa vitu vingi sana na katika nyanja nyingi sana.

...Wazungu wamechangia zaidi kukuza na kutumia kwa kiasi kikubwa uvumbuzi wa wengine. Thats a fact, and sadly, a historical one.

Surely kuna kitu mahali....

...Surely, there is!

 

[DAR si LAMU]

Mzee ulikuwa wapi? Umeadimika sana aisee...

...Nipo ndugu yangu!

...Umenikumbusha mbali sana, uliposema nimeadimika!

 

[DAR si LAMU]

Na mimi sijasema mjadala ni kupata viongozi wapya. Na ukifualitia hoja yangu utaona kuwa nilikujibu kuwa Jobs don't fall from outer space, nikiwa na maana kuwa nafasi za kazi hazitokehi kwa miujiza. Ni lazima jamii ifanye juhudi ya kuzi-create. Uongozi unaweza kuweka mazingira mazuri ya kufanya job creation. Lakini hiyo ni sehemu moja tu.

...Hapa, nakubaliana nawe 100%.

 

[Zakumi]

Mada nzuri sana hii
Hapana nadhani unachosema weweni sehemu ya tatizo . Hata mimi nakumbuka kama aivyosema mtazamaji ulikuwa ukivaa product ya Bora unachekwa. Sasa hiyo sio tatizo la businesss model ni perception ya bidhaa zetu nayo iliichangia.

Viwango,

Katika business image is everything. Bora was competing with vendors of foreign products, and they didn't make any efforts to advertise their products. In retrospect this was a huge mistake on their part!.

I tell you this. Give me any shoe models that were produced by Bora in 80s and I will show you how and where to sell them.

 

[DAR si LAMU]

DSL, Hao wasio na elimu ndio wanaweza kuwa drivers wa economic activities kuliko waliosoma. You go to war with the army you have .. Donald Rumsfeld's Doctrine.

...Big NO! Not nowadays. Unafahamu kuna nchi zina kitu kinaitwa "ministry of knowledge economy" ?. Can you mention one "meaningful" economic activity ambayo mtu asiyejua hata kuandika jina yake anaweza fanya. I mean, can you provide extension services to these people, so that they can produce more and better crops?

...Donald and Co. were war mongers!

 

[DAR si LAMU]

Kilichonishangaza ni kuwa waliweza kufanya kazi kwa ufanisi mkubwa. Je ni kitu gani kilichowapa vijana hawa motisha wa kujifunza na kutafuta kazi mashambani?

...They were educated, with no other way of making a good, sweet [as in having a pint in Edmonton at the weekend] quick buck!

 

[Zakumi]

Hiyo perception ni zao la brainwashing

Mkuu,

It wasn't brainwashing entirely. Our business models were purely based on the functions of the products. However, in a competitive environment functions aren't enough.

 

[DAR si LAMU]

JMush1, 1) Katika mjadala huu what's status quo? 2) Africa ina nchi zaidi ya 50. Na zote kuwa masikini is coincidence or design?

...Botswana is not, even Angola!

 

[jmushi1]

Which income inequality are you talking about? Are you talking internal income inequality between people of the same nation, or inequality between nations?

If you are talking about the former, in 70s and 80s, Tanzania tried to distribute national wealth proportionally, but the exercise didn't work out as plan. So don't blame it for your country's misfortunes.

Zakumi, rejea posti zilizopita ili tujadiliane vizuri bila kubounce unnecessarily.

Income inequality ni ya within nations, ukisoma mjdala na posti yangu, utagunduwa hiyo statement ilikuwa ni mwendelezo wa pointi ya kwanza kuhusiana na nchi kuwa masikini ama tajiri na bado kuwepo na income inequalities.

Mfumo wa kibepari unapelekea hayo pia, however ndiyo hapo serikali inaplay part through social services ie unemployement benefits, na other programs and trainings, and sometimes kuwa encourage wananchi wao wajiendeleze kielimu kipindi ambacho unemployement ni high.So wana ongeza grants and scolarships and more funds for R&D programs and educational programs.

Hapo ndipo unapoona role ya serikali hata kama mfumo ni wa kibepari, sisi siyo hivyo, mfumo ni wa kibepari lakini tuna act kama siyo mabepari, serikali inalia kuwa ni masikini na inatembeza bakuli every now and then, maisha na mishahara yao haionyeshi hivyo, rasilimali hazionyeshi hivyo, wanapewa misaada yenye strings, na wakati wenye kutowa misaada hiyo wanalenga maslahi ya mataifa yao na si vinginevyo.Sisi tunalenga maslahi gani?Jibu hapo unalo.

 

[DAR si LAMU]

Labda mimi nichangie kidogo kulingana na jinsi navyofahamu na mtazamo wangu. Kwanza kabisa ni lazima tu identify Mahitaji yetu kisha ili tuyakidhi mahitaji hayo tunahitaji misingi na nguzo zipi, kishwa tujenge policies zinazowezesha ujenzi wake ili tupate kuzalisha vitu vinavyokidhi mahitaji hayo. Huwezi kufikiria kuongeza ajira nchini ikiwa swala kubwa lkama umeme na maji ni shida. Huwezi kufikiria kuongeza ajira ilwa Elimu na Afya huvipi umuhimu zaidi ya kubakia kwenye makabrasha.. Kitu anachozungumziia Nyani Ngabu kuhusiana na DNA, hakipo isipokuwa sisi waafrika kwa ujumla wetu hatuna MAHITAJI ya maendeleo zaidi ya fikra au niseme ile mentality ya kuiga. Kama tungekuwa kweli tunathamini nguvu ya maji na umeme ktk kukuza uchumi wa nchi basi leo hii nchi nzima ingekuwa na umeme au maji kabla hata ya kufanya mengineyo. Lakini SHIDA na uhaba wa vitu imekuwa utamaduni wetu (umaskini) ambao hatuoni sababu ya kubwa ya maendeleo zaidi ya kujikimu na shida hizo siku hadi siku (day by day). Hata Yule Simba wa Serengeti angekuwa akiishi Ulaya basi angejifunza kula na kuwinda wakati wa Spring hadi Fall (Autum) na kuweza kujichimbia wakati wa winter na mwili wake ku hibernate. Na kwa jinsi hiyo mnyama anayeishi Iceland au Yellow Knife ataonekana ana akili zaidi ya huyu wa Serengeti iwe ktk mawindo na hata ujenzi wa hifadhi (nyumba). Tofauti za mazingira ndizo sababu ya activeness ya viumbe wake, na imetokea kwamba sisi waafrika tunaoishi karibu na Tropical ndio tunaonekana tuko nyuma sana kuliko mataifa mengineyo maana sii joto sana wala baridi na hivyo tume jilimit ktk mahitaji.. Ni jukumu letu sote, toka serikali, viongozi na wananchi kwa nafasi zetu kutambua kwanza NECESSITIES na kisha kutumia fursa zilizopo kuunda policies zitakazo tuwezesha kukidhi mahitaji hayo. Innovation sio Ubunifu bali uwezo wa kuboresha huduma au services zilizopo ambazo zimeshindwa kukidhi mahitaji hayo iwe hata Umeme. Sasa tunapobishana juu ya umeme ilihali mazinira yetu yana Upepo mkubwa sehemu za Singida, tuna jua kali masaa 12 kwa siku, tuna makaa ya mawe na kadhalika lakini inachukua miaka 50 tumeshindwa kabisa kuboresha nguvu hizi wakati mahitaji yake yamezidi mara 100. Inabidi sisi kujiuliza uwezo wetu ktk kufikiri na hasa umakini wetu wa kukidhi mahitaji haya. Mbali kabisa na utumwa wa fikra nadhani pia IMANI zetu za dini zimevuka kiwango cha kuamini tunafanya kufuru au bado kabisa tamaduni na mila za zetu zinachukua nafasi kubwa ktk maamuzi yetu. Kwa sababu haiwezekani watu wanakufa kwa malaria kila mwaka sii chini ya millioni lakini hadi leo hatuna kinga wala kuandaa mazingira ambayo yatazuia mbu hawa kuzaana ila jibu kubwa ni KAZI YA MUNGU, bwana ametupa bwana ametwaa!. Kwa hiyo tunaendeleza utamaduni wa kushughulikia kitu kinapokuwa epidemic kwa kusema ni kazi ya Mungu...Utamaduni wa maintanance hatuna unakuta mtu bomba la maji linavuja mtu anafunga na mpira hadi siku litakapo haribika kabisa beyond repair.. Kwa hiyo Job creation inatakiwa sisi tuthamini vitu vyetu, tujithamini sisi wenyewe kwa kuyapenda maendeleo na sio kujaribu kuiga tuonekane tunapendeza kama wazungu au Ulaya.. Let's start with ourselves, tubadilike na kuwekea mkazo mkubwa ktk ELIMU, AFYA, MAJI na UMEME vitu vingine vitajipanga tu kutokana na mahitaji yatakayo jitokeza.

...Mkandara, much respect!

 

[Zakumi]

...They were educated, with no other way of making a good, sweet [as in having a pint in Edmonton at the weekend] quick buck!

I asked one guy why he was passionate about his work. He told me that if he sees a new TV model or cool pair of shoes, what he needs to do in order to buy it is to work hard for at least two weeks.

 

[DAR si LAMU]

Mkandara umesema Bora niekumbuka design moja ya raba ilienda kwa jina a DH (Hope wanajamvi mnazikumbuka) . Wakati bora wakitoa Hizi DH watu/wanafuzni waliozivaa walichekwa. Na zilipewamajina ya kebehi... . Miaka 20 baadae Bora imekufa (Sijui kenya kama BATA bado ipo) RaBa za design ya DH sasa ukivaa wewe ni kati ya "wajanja". Just because may be zinatoka nje . Who know may be hata patent ya "DH" asili yake ni africa kama Si tanzania lakini sabau hatukuthamini Idea zetu ndio wanachukua na kutuuzia Na kwenye soko huria hili tumekaririshwa neno ubora kama moja kigezo kutufanya tudisqualify vya kwetu kirahisi

...Hiyo DH mi nshavaa sana tu. Ilikuwa design ya China na kama sikosei kirefu yake ni "Double Horse". Typical Chinese design and branding!

...BATA ya Kenya ipo imejaa ndoo nzima, inamwagikia mpaka Tanzania with several shops to boot.

 

[DAR si LAMU]

I asked one guy why he was passionate about his work. He told me that if he sees a new TV model or cool pair of shoes, what he needs to do in order to buy it is to work hard for at least two weeks.

...Siwezi kumkatalia. Thats what people in some quarters call "factor price". Mfanyakazi huko Ulaya, Merekani, na Asia [the tigers] analipwa vizuri hata kuweza kumudu maisha mazuri ya kawaida, if h/she stays at work.

...Don't get me wrong, nimekuelewa kwamba "jamaa hawana malengo yeyote yenye kuwaletea maendeleo ya kweli".

 

[Zakumi]

Zakumi, rejea posti zilizopita ili tujadiliane vizuri bila kubounce unnecessarily
Income inequality ni ya within nations, ukisoma mjdala na posti yangu, utagunduwa hiyo statement ilikuwa ni mwendelezo wa pointi ya kwanza kuhusiana na nchi kuwa masikini ama tajiri na bado kuwepo na income inequalities.

Mfumo wa kibepari unapelekea hayo pia, however ndiyo hapo serikali inaplay part through social services ie unemployement benefits, na other programs and trainings, and sometimes kuwa encourage wananchi wao wajiendeleze kielimu kipindi ambacho unemployement ni high.

Hapo ndipo unapoona role ya serikali hata kama mfumo ni wa kibepari, sisi siyo hivyo, mfumo ni wa kibepari lakini tuna act kama siyo mabepari, serikali inalia kuwa ni masikini na inatembeza bakuli every now and then, maisha na mishahara yao haionyeshi hivyo, rasilimali hazionyeshi hivyo, wanapewa misaada yenye strings, na wakati wenye kutowa misaada hiyo wanalenga maslahi ya mataifa yao na si vinginevyo.Sisi tunalenga maslahi gani?Jibu hapo unalo.

Jmushi,

I guess I have already answered you. In Tanzania, income inequality didn’t cause the misfortunes of your people. So it isn’t an issue to be discussed here.

Secondly, distribution of wealth through various government programs works well when the country is so rich or has reached financial sovereignty. However, for poor country like Tanzania the distribution of wealth you have mentioned above does more harm than good. This is because it will increase the size of the government and unsustainable national debts.

For example, in 70s and 80s, Tanzanian government spent a huge amount of money to expand its social programs. However by mid 80s, the cost of servicing national debts yearly was more than ¼ of GNP, twice the combined budgets of education and health.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Mkuu,

It wasn't brainwashing entirely. Our business models were purely based on the functions of the products. However, in a competitive environment functions aren't enough.

It may not be entirely but it factors/ factored majorly.

 

[jmushi1]

Jmushi,

I guess I have already answered you. In Tanzania, income inequality didn't cause the misfortunes of your people. So it isn't an issue to be discussed here.

Secondly, distribution of wealth through various government programs works well when the country is so rich or has reached financial sovereignty. However, for poor country like Tanzania the distribution of wealth you have mentioned above does more harm than good. This is because it will increase the size of the government and unsustainable national debts.

For example, in 70s and 80s, Tanzanian government spent a huge amount of money to expand its social programs. However by mid 80s, the cost of servicing national debts yearly was more than ¼ of GNP, twice the combined budgets of education and health.

Zakumi, halikuwa mjadala, bali mwendelezo wa majibu kwa swali lako la awali kama ume revisit.

 

[Mkandara]

Zakumi,
Katika swala la viatu vya bora utakuwa huwatendei haki. Wakati wanazalisha viatu (Nyerere)hapakuwa na ushindani hata kidogo, na hata baada ya kuingia Ubepari tayari kiwanda hicho kilikuwa ktk list ya kuuzwa. Kwa nini tulifanya maamuzi hayo?

Kibaya zaidi ni kwamba viwanda vyote vilihukumiwa vyenyewe kwa uzembe wa binadamu kushindwa kutangaza, kutafuta masoko ndani na nje badala yake tukauza viwanda hivyo na kupoteza almost asilimia 60 ya wafanyakazi wa mashirika ya Umma. Na viwanda hivyo wala visiendelezwe wale walionunua wakauza machines na kadhalika kumbe lengo lao lilikuwa kushika viwanja for future development.

Ndio hapo nauliza tulikuwa tunatak au kufikiria nini kuua ajira zile leo tunafikiria tena ku Create ajira bila kutazama makosa ya awali. Why? Why even private investors hawataki kuwekeza ktk viwanda? Je, ni ukosekanaji wa miundombinu kama umeme na maji au tatizo lipo kwa wananchi wenyewe ktk uzalishaji au soko la ndani tunataka vitu vya nje zaidi.