Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Bwana Utam said:

Ukiachana na hilo la kuingilia watafanywaje hayo mengine nahisi hatuwezi kuyafikia hitimisho
Kwasababu bado yanaendelea ila ukiangalia kwakiasi fulani hili la demilitarize limefanikiwa pakubwa sana nadhani ukimfatilia KOMEDIAN unaweza ukanielewa ama ukaelewa

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Okey mkuu.

The United States received a note from the Russian Federation demanding to stop arming Ukraine, The Washington Post reports, citing the document.

Moscow has warned that the White House's actions are "adding fuel to the fire," which could lead to unpredictable consequences.

Biden previously approved $800 million in military aid to Ukraine, including sending drones, armored vehicles, as well as additional man-portable anti-aircraft and anti-tank weapons and millions of rounds of ammunition.
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Hembe rudia kusoma hapa uniambe ni wapi nimesema India amemuuzia au atamuuzia Russia teknolojia yenye mkono wa Marekani

triga said:

Mwnzo nlijua wewe ni mtu mstaarabu unyeweza kutoa hoja na kujibu hoja kma mtu mzima. Kumbe nilikosea. Mara nyingi nimekuwa nikikuuliza maswali kuhusu taarifa zako na uchambuzi wako lkn aiza haujibu au unajibu vibaya (lugha mbaya) kitu kinachonionesha kuwa taarifa zako na uchambuzi wako ni wa uongo/uzushi ndio maana huwezi kuutetea.

Anyway umeshinda mkuu



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Mimi nilichomujibu muuliza swali ni jinsi gani vikwazo vinafanya kazi, wewe umekurupuka ulipotoka na swali la kipumbavu kwa sababu ya mahaba yako kwa Putin nami nimekujibu kipumbavu kadri ulivyouliza.

triga said:

Unataka Urusi waiteke Ukraine hata kama wenyewe hawana malengo ya kuiteka Ukraine!?

Lets be objective here!
Unafikiri lengo la Urusi lilikuwa kuiteka Ukraine, ok fine. Hebu tuambie projection yako inakuambia what would be next kama ukraine 'ingetekwa'!?

Yaani With all the facts on the table ingekuwa wewe ndio Putin 'ungeiteka' Ukraine kwa dhumuni lipi. Ni dhumuni lipi ambalo unahisi litafikiwa tu kwa kuiteka ukraine!

Kama kiongozi wa nchi unafkiri ni sahihi kuchimba shimo kubwa ili ufukie shimo dogo!? Kuiteka nchi ni jambo moja kuitawala baada ya kuiteka je!?

Putin kamshindwa Zelensky kivipi!? Au ilitakiwa mpaka amkamate amuue/amnyonge km alivyouliwa Saddam ndio tuseme hajamshindwa!? Jaribu kuwa specific utusaidie. Yaani huko kumshindwa wewe umekupimapimaje!?

Mimi kwa upande wangu ninaweza kusema Putin hajamshindwa Zelensky. Ukiniuliza km nilivyokuuliza nitakujibu pia ni vigezo gani nimetumia na ushahidi nitakuwekea ila mpk uniulize.

Karibu

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Kwahiyo mmeacha kumdharau Zelensky mliyekuwa mnamuita Joti?

Malengo ya Urusi wakati anaanzisha operation ni yapi na kati ya hayo ni lipi limetimia. Kama hawana lengo la kuiteka walipeleka majeshi yao kufanyaje au kuna drills walikaribishwa wafanye.

Lengo la Ukraine ni kujilinda na kujitetea. Wewe mwenyewe najua unajua progress ya lengo hilo.

Putin atamkamataje Zelensky? Kwani mpaka Putin anawaambia wanajeshi wa Ukraine wampindue Zelensky ile wiki ya kwanza lengo lake lilikuwa nini. Kadyrov si anashinda Tiktok na vitisho vyake vilikuwa ni hivyo.

maso pa kyindi said:

nimebishana nao sana kule, atleast mkuu umenifungua kuwa ni watu wa aina gani nilikua najaribu kuwaelesha juu ya hii vita......

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Hiki ndicho kile kizazi ukiingia FB kwenye 'About'... Utakuta hivi...

Born in California
Lives in Texas
Study....Washington
Works at Apple Inc.

Profile Sura ya Obama, Beyonce au Kardashian.

Uandishi wake Hai gayzi ham hangiri keni ene wani kamu tu mi au kapost picha ya Lil Wayne af caption She's my favourite bongo fuleva artist [emoji1787]

Utakiambia nini jui ya US hiki kikuelewe [emoji848]

The possible accession of Sweden and Finland to NATO threatens with negative consequences for stability in the north of Europe, the Russian Foreign Ministry said.
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Champagnee said:

The complex is designed to jam short-wave radio communication lines at a range of up to 5 thousand kilometers, which blinds enemy command posts. Murmansk can also conduct radio reconnaissance and intercept enemy signals.

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5,000 km's sio mchezo.

Nimepata stress mpk ikabidi nitafute Ile Chati ya TANROADS kuangalia umbali wa kutoka sehemu 1 Hadi nyingine,kwa kweli nimesikitika mnooo.

maso pa kyindi said:

nimebishana nao sana kule, atleast mkuu umenifungua kuwa ni watu wa aina gani nilikua najaribu kuwaelesha juu ya hii vita......

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Hahah Kule Ni lile kundi la raibow ndio wamejaa kwny ule uzi,usipoteze nao Muda.

The Foreign Ministry of North Macedonia declared six more Russian diplomats persona non grata.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia promised to give an appropriate answer.
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simplemind said:

Vladimir kwa kupenda kiki hajambo,Judo,Newyork marathon, horseriding. Ila "adventure" ya Ukraine mtu mzima ameanguka flat on face .

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The German Economy Minister called on citizens to save electricity and gave several recommendations.

Robert Habek advised the Germans to save on space heating and use cars less, giving preference to bicycles and trains.

“I ask everyone to contribute to energy conservation now. We can become more independent of Russian imports only if we see this as a big joint project,” he said in an interview with the Funke media group.

Focus magazine previously advised Germans to drink tap water, shop locally and keep an eye out for discounts in order to survive the price increase.
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NYUNDO YA MOTO said:

The German Economy Minister called on citizens to save electricity and gave several recommendations.

Robert Habek advised the Germans to save on space heating and use cars less, giving preference to bicycles and trains.

“I ask everyone to contribute to energy conservation now. We can become more independent of Russian imports only if we see this as a big joint project,” he said in an interview with the Funke media group.

Focus magazine previously advised Germans to drink tap water, shop locally and keep an eye out for discounts in order to survive the price increase.
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[emoji1][emoji1] wazungu wamerudishwa kwny enzi za ujima.

wa kupuliza said:

West kwny propaganda wame-invest heavily,Ila kitu kimoja nilichokipenda khs hii Vita mainstream media zote/sijui hizo CNN,BNC,SKYNEWS etc/Twitter/FB/YouTube etc watu wameshazijua Ni propaganda machines na baada ya hii Vita vinaenda kupoteza mashabiki Sana.

Wazungu walitumia akili Sana kwny propaganda,fikiria mtanzania wa kawaida anaesikilia Radio Free Africa(RFA):

Ile ameamka tu saa 6:00 asubuhi anasikiliza DW Swahili/BBC idhaa ya kiswahili.

Mchana saa 1:00 kamili mpk -2:00 kamili anasikiliza DW Swahili.

Jioni saa 6:00 anaanza kusikiliza Dw Swahili mpk saa 6:30 jioni ,then from hiohio saa 6:30-Mpk saa 7:30 usiku anasikiliza BBC Swahili na from hio 7:30-8:00 usiku anaunganishwa na VOA(Voice of America) ya kiswahili (ya wale watangazaji wakina Vincent makori) after hapo saa 9:00-9:30 usiku anaangalia wakina Salim kikeke kwny BBC Swahili (kupitia Star tv).

Siku nzima mtu anashinda anamezeshwa uongo wa wazungu, kiukweli tulichelewa Sana kuwafahamu wazungu lkn hizi propaganda zao kwa generation ya Sasa hivi zinaenda zinakufa/kufifia maana watu kwa sasa wana njia nyingi za kupata habari from independently sources.

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Kabisa MKUU hizo media kupitia huu mgogoro zimedharaulika sanaa
Ukipitia kwenye social media zao utaliona hili
Yaani jamaa wakiweka habari ambayo ipo against RUSSIA hatakama iwe kweli RAIA wanaipinga kabisaaa
Jamaaa wakieka habari nzuri kwa RUSSIA hatakama yauongo RAIA wanaiunga mkono vibaya sanaa
Watu wengi huko wanapinga mauaji ila wanakwambia kwawaloyafanya wamagharibi yakakaliwa kimya je hamukuyaona kwahio wanasapoti RUSSIA ila wanashauri wasiue RAIA
Kuna muda namuelewa bro Galip S-22 kwenye uchambuzi wake niki connect dot jamaa wanataka kuuvunja ubabe wa US uliodumu tokea anguko la USSR nanaona qadri mgogoro unavyozidi kuchelewa kumaliza ndio qadri US na shost zake wanavyopoteza sifa
Tukianzia kuanza kuwabembeleza mataifa ya AFRIKA wakemee OP ya RUSSIA lakini wengi wao wamekaa KIMYA haimaanishi kuiunga mkono ila walau inaonesha kua against na WEST na US
Tukiendelea kwenye mataifa ya ARAB yalipogoma kupokea simu za US tukija hapa kwa INDIA alowaambia kama yeye ananunua kidogo kuliko wao hvyo hawezi akaacha kununua
Tukienda kule VENEZUELA jamaa alipoenda kuomba jamaa wafidie gape majamaa wakamkazia
Kiufupi US na WESTERN wanazidi kuendelea kupoteza ushawishi wao kwakasi kubwa sanaaa
Yaani nahisi tulikua bado sisi AFRIKA ndio wengi hatujauelewa USHEITWANI wa WEST ila kupitia huu mgogoro nimeona wengi wamezidi kuamka kuhusiana na na hawa WEST
Pia nlilisahau na hili MKUU hapo juu aliligusia kadri hii VITA itakavyochukua muda mwingi basi mataifa mengi ya UE yataumia pakubwa kwenye suala la UCHUMI ila acha tuzidi kuona hem!!!
RUSSIA sio ZIMBABWE

Biden's trip to Ukraine after his announcement of his readiness to visit Kyiv is not planned, the White House said.
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KIDUNUNDU said:

Wajitahidi kuandika kwa ufasaha . Hata kama ni propaganda inaweza hata ikatumika kwenye news room . Sio emoji na ushabiki wa kwenye kanga kama uswahilini means kusutana.

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Kumbuka wale Ni member wale lile kundi la raibow,kwa hio ndivyo wanavyowasilisha ujumbe wao hivyo.

Residents of Germany, against the backdrop of rising gas prices, began to massively stock up on firewood, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Novak said.
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triga said:

Kwa mujibu wa Putin mwenyewe kwa mdomo wake malengo yalikuwa mtatu kam sio manne. Refer hotuba yake akitangaza kuanzisha operesheni y kijeshi Ukraine.

1. Demilitarize ukr
2. Denazify ukr
3. Russian speaking Ukrainians kwenye eneo la donbass

Kushindwa ni kupi mpaka sasa kama malengo yalikuwa hayo.

Watu (Pronato) hawataki kuanalyze achievement za urusi kwa kuzingatia malengo hayo bali wao wanasema lengo ilikuwa kuiteka ukr. Sijui wamepata wapi lengo hilo ukiwauliza hawakupi majibu makini. Kwa sababu hawana majibu. Na hawana majibu kwa sababu hilo sio lengo.





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Tsh said:

Okey boss, ngoja niweke alichosema.

“We will seek to demilitarise and denazify Ukraine, as well as bring to trial those who perpetrated numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including against citizens of the Russian Federation,”

"I have a few words for those who could feel tempted to interfere with ongoing developments: whoever tries to impede us, let alone create threats for our country and its people must know that the Russian response will be immediate and lead to the consequences you have never seen in history,"

Hichi ndicho anachokifanya Urusi pale Ukraine. Sasa kama ni kumpima tunampima kwa haya matamshi yake na si mbwembwe nyingine zozote zinazopostiwa humu wala kejeli.

Sasa cha kujiuliza ni:
Puttin tayari kaweza kuidemilitarize na kuidenazify Ukraine na kuna aliyepelekwa kwa trial kama alivyotamka? Kama bado ni kwanini? Kama tayari kwanini bado OP inaendelea?

Swali la pili ni kweli hakuna walioingilia Operation yake na je kama wapo walioingilia amefanya kama alivyoahidi atafanya kwa yoyote atakayeingilia? Kama hajaingiliwa Ukraine inastahili pongezi kumzuia mpaka sasa?

Haya mambo mengine yooooooote ni changamsha kijiwe tu na kugombana kusiko na maana yoyote kati ya wanaosapoti na wasiosapoti.

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Shukrani, twende sawa

*Kuhusu kuingilia nafkiri hapa umechanganya maana mwanzo uliniuliza russia aliwaambia nini wanajeshi wa ukr hapa umeleta alichowaambia kwa yeyote atakayeingilia (meaning taifa jengine).

1. Kuhusu taifa jengine kuingilia mpka sasa hv hakuna taifa lililoingilia kwenye uwanja wa mapambank kwenda kumrudisha nyuma urusi. Labda tutatofautiana kwenye definition ya 'kuingilia'.

Kwangu mimi kupeleka silaha ndogo ndogo za kujilinda (defensive) bila kupeleka jeshi na silaha za maana bado hakujaqualify kuitwa 'kuingilia. Na hili USNATO wote wanajua. Na ndio maana utaona wanakuwa makini sana wasijewakafanya jambo ambalo likatafsiriwa kama 'kuingilia' na russia ikarespond kupelekea direct confrontation ya usnato na Russia. Yapo mambo mengi ambayo USNATO hawajayafanya wakihofia yatatafsiriwa kama 'kuingilia' ukitaka tutayataja.
Kwangu mimi kuingilia ni kupeleka jeshi, na zana kubwa kubwa advanced za kivita kama ambavyo us walifanya israeli wakati ussr wanataka kuwasaidia waarabu dhidi ya israel au kama ambavyo us amefanya koreà wakati wa vita vya korea au kama ambavyo russia wamefanya syria

2. Demilitarize & denazify

• Utaona zelensky anaomba masaada wa silaha kila mara anapohutubia mabunge tofauti duniani. Hii inaonesha jeshi lake limeishiwa. Kama unataka tutaonesha pia by numbers namna military infrastructures za ukraine zimeharibiwa.
• denazification kama ni kesi mahakamani tusubirie mpaka vita viishe

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Tsh said:

Tuachane na Urusi na USA sijui u NATO twende katika wanachotenda field.

Urusi anaziheshimu nchi mwanachama wa NATO au nchi yenye uwezo mkubwa kivita na humuoni akizishambulia badala yake inaishambulia Ukraine sababu anajua haina uwezo mkubwa wa kudhuru raia wa Urusi ndani ya Urusi.

USA na NATO wanaiheshimu Urusi na hawajathubutu kuishambulia Urusi moja kwa moja ingawa wanampa silaha Ukraine ili kumpa uhai na uwezo wa kuendeleza mapigano huku Urusi akijua hilo na bado hapeleki mashambulizi kule kwenye kisababishi kikuu yeye anaendelea kuipiga Ukraine.

Sasa hii tafsiri yake ni kwamba hawa wawili Urusi na USA ni giants katika vita na ni bullies kwa nchi ndogo zisizo na uwezo wa kivita na wanashambulia nchi zenye uwezo mdogo kivita sababu raia wao watabaki kuwa salama nchini kwao wakati vita ikiendelea.

Hili ndilo ninalolipinga mimi. Kuwa bully kwa nchi zenye uwezo mdogo kwa sababu hazina uwezo wa kutuma bomu lenye madhara nchini kwako.

Huwa nina swali nauliza, China ingepata raisi wakafikiria kuungana na Ulaya kijeshi na USA je Urusi angeivamia? Au angetaka diplomacy itumike?

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Russia sio nchi yenye kupenda ugomvi. Ndio sababu ukiangalia jeshi lake limekaa kujilinda zaidi. Ugomvi wake mkubwa ni kwanchi majirani zake kutaka kumkaribisha adui yake mkubwa. Marekani. Wamkaribishe karibu na mipaka yake.
Marekani anajulikana kwa unafiki,uchokozi na kutothamini wenzake. Akiwa karibu atalazimisha Russia muda mwingi awe vitani. Na kwakuwa ye Marekani atakuwa mbali,miji yake haitaathirika.
Hicho ndicho asichokitaka Russia. Ndio maana hamlazimishi yeyote kuwa upande wake. Na hataki jirani yake amkaribishe adui yake mlangoni kwake. Ndio sababu alimtaka Ukraine awe taifa lisilofungamana na upande wowote. Lakini raisi wa Ukraine akachagua upande. Akaanza kuwakaribisha maadui kuweka maabara za kutafiti silaha za kikemikali na kibaolojia,kabla hata hajapokelewa NATO. Hivyo Russia kaamua kumzuia

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Tsh said:

Okey boss, ngoja niweke alichosema.

“We will seek to demilitarise and denazify Ukraine, as well as bring to trial those who perpetrated numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including against citizens of the Russian Federation,”

"I have a few words for those who could feel tempted to interfere with ongoing developments: whoever tries to impede us, let alone create threats for our country and its people must know that the Russian response will be immediate and lead to the consequences you have never seen in history,"

Hichi ndicho anachokifanya Urusi pale Ukraine. Sasa kama ni kumpima tunampima kwa haya matamshi yake na si mbwembwe nyingine zozote zinazopostiwa humu wala kejeli.

Sasa cha kujiuliza ni:
Puttin tayari kaweza kuidemilitarize na kuidenazify Ukraine na kuna aliyepelekwa kwa trial kama alivyotamka? Kama bado ni kwanini? Kama tayari kwanini bado OP inaendelea?

Swali la pili ni kweli hakuna walioingilia Operation yake na je kama wapo walioingilia amefanya kama alivyoahidi atafanya kwa yoyote atakayeingilia? Kama hajaingiliwa Ukraine inastahili pongezi kumzuia mpaka sasa?

Haya mambo mengine yooooooote ni changamsha kijiwe tu na kugombana kusiko na maana yoyote kati ya wanaosapoti na wasiosapoti.

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Yes yes umenena vyema na maswali ulouliza mazuri hayajakaa kiushabiki kama asili ya uzi ulivo.

Ntajarib kukujibu ila note ni mtazamo wagu kulingana na kile nachokiona na wala sio kwamba namnukuu flani kasema.

Swali la kwanza kuhusu lengo la demilitarization... Naweza sema kafanikiwa kwa zaidi ya 70%. Ukizitizama data za vifaa na military base zilizokuepo kabla y OP na hivi sasa kilichosalia ni kidogo mno tena mno.

Kwa hili hata kama data zinazotolewa na Russia hazitakuwa sahihi zinaeza thibitishwa na Ukraine wenyewe. Kil siku wanapewa dozen of weapons, kwa mujib w pentagon ni karib 6 to 8 times a day ila nawe shahidi wa kila leo Ukraine anaomba silaha mpya kutoka Western.

Demilitarization kwa tafsiri nayoifaham ni kuharibu miundo mbinu ya kijeshi, kama si hiyo basi utanisahihisha. Kwa tafsiri hii nayoijua Miundo mbinu ya kijeshi ndani ya Ukraine more than 70% imeshaharibiwa.

Kuhusu swali lako la pili, ka huwa unazisikiliza kauli za viongozi wa western vizuri kuna hili neno limekua likijirudia mara kwa mara "avoiding direct confrontation with Russia so as to not escalate the situation beyond Ukraine"...

Hiyo ni kama Official statement kua sisi hatuhusiki, ingawa ukiangalia unaona wanahusika japo nyuma ya pazia.. kupitia Mercenaries wengi tu kutoka nchini kwao na hao viongozi wa NATO ambao wapo hapo Ukraine. Wako pale unofficial na wana fight hard against Russia.

So ka kweli mstaarab huezi kurupuka tu na kuanza kushambulia hizo nchi zaidi ya 32... Ambao media zatangaza hawatak kujihusisha ingawa nyuma ya pazia wanajihusisha. Hapo moja kwa moja Russia ndie ataoneka mgonvi...

Mfano wa namna hii nakupa hii video ya nyuma umskilize mshauri mkuu w Zelensky na Mzee mmoja hivi kutoka US walivokuwa wanapanga kumuingiza Russia Ukrakne... Ingawa sa hivi wanadai Russia ni Aggressive na kaanzisha Unprovoked war against Ukraine.

Hii ya kwanza msikilize huyu wakati anahutubia Congress... Anakwambia wataivuta Russia Ukraine, na watapigana na Russia Ukrakne wala sio kwenye Ardhi yao hapo US. View attachment 2188439

Hii ya pili Msikilize huyu anakwambia in order to join NATO, inabidi waingie Full scale war with Russia... Na wakiwa na matumaini kua watyamshinda Russia kisha wanaingia NATO kwa mserereko... Ukiisikiliza video vizuri anasema kabisa itakuw something between 2020 up to 2022... Hii inakupa tafsir kabisa huu mchakato haujaanza jana. View attachment 2188442