Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

bwii said:
kuna swali naomba mnidadavulie,katika WW11 wanazi wa kijerumani walikua wanapigwa vita na nchi za ulaya,sasa mbona sasa hivi hao wanazi wanasapotiwa na nchi nyingi za ulaya!?ni nini kilichosabababisha kutoka kupingwa hada sasa wapate sapoti na uliangalia historia warusi walikua na mchango mkubwa kuwashinda wanazi??
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WW2 Wanazi hawakupigwa bure from nowhere. Walivamia nchi kuanzia Poland, France, UK, USSR na kushambulia misafara ya meli za Marekani ndio maana walipigwa. The same way na Russia alivyovamia Ukraine.

Nazi waliua Wayahudi na watu wengine kibao. Walifanya atrocities wakajenga concentration camps na machafu mengi, ila mara nyingi hawakuwa wezi kwa vile nchi yao ilikuwa inajiweza kiuchumi na haikuwa inajibrag bure kwahiyo hawakuwa washamba na vitu vya kigeni tofauti na hawa wanaoiba hata washing machines na magari.

Nazi kilikuwa chama tawala cha Ujerumani chenye jeshi, makao makuu, ofisi, wafanyakazi, maofisa na sera. Ukivamia unajua unaenda kupigana na nani na yuko wapi na una sababu za msingi nilizotaja.

Hasira za Urusi ni Nazis hao kuleta upinzani mkali kwenye war on Donbass, ndio fighters wenye spirit kubwa na wala hawako incorporated kwenye jeshi la Ukraine na hawapandishwi vyeo wala maslahi kama wanajeshi. Na kingine ni sababu tu za kuvamia zisizo na msingi. Kwani Ukraine jeshi lake ni Nazi, kwahiyo Russia akitokea mamia wavuta bangi basi tuseme nchi nzima mamilioni ni wavuta bangi.

Nazi Germany ilikuwepo since early 1930s na ikaisha 1945 baada ya kuvuruga usalama wa dunia. Nazi wa Ukraine wamefanya nini? Hata Ujerumani wapo Nazi sympathizers huwa wanafungwa magerezani kwahiyo Russia ivamie Ujerumani?
 
Tsh said:
Sawa. Sasa nikuulize, ukiachana na suala la kusapoti urusi au ukraine. Wewe unazungumziaje suala la nchi moja kuivamia nchi nyingine yenye uwezo dhaifu kijeshi? Unaona ni sahihi?
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ndio ni sahihi, na ndivyo tulivyofanya mwaka 1979
 

Calls Inside Russia for "Formal Declaration of War"​


The destruction of Russia's Guided Missile Cruiser "Moskva" is prompting calls in Russia for the "special military operation" to be upgraded into a formal declaration of war with Ukraine.
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F9T said:
msafara wa kwanza wenye urefu km zaidi ya 50. -hola 😂😂.
Msafara wa pili +kubadili na kamanda wa vita -hola 😂😂😂.
Bado mnatuambia tusubiri !!!?. Tusubiri Mara ngapi?
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Subiri Ndugu yangu ....Zelensky atasalimu amri muda siyo mrefu...hivi Sasa kipigo kikali kinaendelea huko Kiev ...silaha zaidi zinazidi kumiminika huko mashariki mwa Ukraine....ikishamalizwa hiyo East Ukraine...Masha ulizoandaa kuelekea Kiev yataendelea...lakini mabomu mazito yanazidi kumiminika huko Kiev, Kharkiv na miji mingine...kazi iendelee..wewe Mambo ya misafara achana nayo...wewe fuatilia kipigo...
 
T14 Armata said:
Tunarudi palepale mkuu. Marekani kuishinda Japan ilikuwa ni speculation ambayo kwa asilimia kubwa Marekani ilikuwa na chance ya kushinda. Urusi kuipiga Ukraine sio ajabu hata kidogo, ndicho kitu tunategemea ila sasa kufikia muda huu performance mbovu na gains chache ndio tunashangaa superpower gani anaperform vibaya kwa jeshi ambalo hata kwenye majeshi 20 yenye nguvu duniani halipo.

Wakati Japan inapigana na Marekani ilikuwa haikosi 5 of the best militaries tena hapo ikiwa na second largest navy. Usilinganishe level za 1930s Japan ambayo that time imetoka kuipiga Imperial Russia, ikaipiga China na kuchukua Manchuria, ikapiga Korea peninsula yote, ikapiga Vietnam na Philippines na visiwa kibao hapo katikati dhidi ya 2020s Ukraine ambayo inapewa silaha mitumba na Poland
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Kabla ya kuinanga Urusi kushindwa vita ambavyo havijamaliza hata miezi miwili na wala havijaisha, inange Marekani kwanza aliyo iliyopigana kwa zaidi ya miaka 8 na nchi maskini kuliko hata Tz kipindi hicho ya Vietnam na kushindwa vibaya sana.

Huitaji kuvaa miwani kujua ya kwamba vita inakuwa ngumu kutokana na Ukraine kupokea silaha kutoka nchi magharibi tofauti na hapo hii vita ingekuwa imeisha zamani.
Hata Marekani kushindwa kwake Vietnam ni kutokana na Usoviet kuingilia vita kwa kuipatia silaha Vietnam kama ambavyo Marekani anafanya sasa hivi ndani ya Ukraine, tofati na hapo Marekani angeshinda vita pengine ndani ya mwezi tu.

Urusi iliikimbia Afghanistan kwa sababu ya Marekani kuwapatia mjahidini silaha na Marekani kaikimbia Afghanistan kwa sababu ya Urusi kuwapa Taribali silaha.


Ukifuatilia vita ya Iraq Urusi haikuingilia kabisa kwa sababu ilikuwa dhaifu na ilikuwa na hali mbaya sana kiuchumi Marekani alifanikiwa kwa kiasi kikubwa kutokana na Iraq kutokuwa na msaada wowote kutoka nje.
Hata ukifuatilia vita ambavyo ameshinda Urusi ni ile ambayo Marekani haijaingilia.

Kwa hiyo msitake kuishusha sana Urusi maana kapigana vita nyingi na kashinda.
 
T14 Armata said:
Hiyo ndio USN? USN ni United States Navy, na tena nimeomba flagship yao kama ilivyokuwa Moskva.

Hawa Ukraine hii flagship yao waliizamisha wenyewe kuepuka kutekwa na Russia ndio maana source yako imekuandikia "flooding" not sinking. Kilichotokea kwa Moskva ni sinking by missile strike
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Kuna watu humu Bado hawakubali kama Meli ilishambuliwa bali ilipata hitilafu ikazama
 
Yoda said:
Jeshi la Iraq mwaka 2001 lilikuwa na nguvu kubwa sana kuliko hili la Ukraine.
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Una uhakika na unacho kisema?
Iraq ya mwaka 2001ilikuwa dhaifu mno ilikuwa imetoka kupigana vita ya muda mrefu sana na Iran na ilikuwa imetoka kupigana vita na kuwait ,ilikuwa na vikwazo vya kunua silaha na kiuchumi ambavyo Ukraine kwa sasa hana pia hakuwa na msaada wowote kutoka nje kama Ukraine inavyo pokea misaada ya silaha kutoka nchi za magharibi.
 
T14 Armata said:
Additionally, mpaka sasa Zelensky is outshining Putin. Putin si alitaka regime change, iko wapi?
Putin anashindwa nini kumkamata Zelensky, ni kwamba hajaweza. Zelensky si anazurula mitaani Kyiv tena last time akiwa na Boris Johnson. Au unasema Russia wanafurahia vifaru vyao kupigwa, ndege na tena meli.

Bila kuiteka Ukraine hao Russia watafanyaje. Si imegoma kujisalimisha na kuweka silaha chini. The next kama Ukraine ingetekwa ni kumfungulia mashtaka Zelensky au kumuua na kubadilisha katiba ioneshe marufuku kujiunga NATO na kubadilisha serikali. Pro Russia wanajua hili waziwazi.

Kuitawala baada ya kuiteka si ni kuweka kibaraka. Hili haliumizi akili hata maana washafanya hivi before
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Putin alitaka regime change wapi!? Alikuambia!? Ushahidi!? Mbona mnapenda kuzusha!?
We unafikiri regime change ni mpaka uiteke nchi!? Yaani urisk maisha ya maelf ya wanajeshi wako na military infrastructures, eqps n tools kisa regime change, kweli!? Regime change inaweza kufanyika kirahisi tu kwa njia mbali mbali km coup, sabotaging elections, assassination, internal conflicts etc. etc. Sio lzm urisk vita huko ni kuua rungu kwa mende.

A matter of who outshines who is purely subjective. Kwako wewe putin amekuwa outshined na Zelensky. Your opinion. Kila mtu anajudge kivyake.
Kuzunguka kila mahali unaomba msaada, kuchapisha taarifa za uongo dhidi ya mpinzani wako, maelf ya wanajeshi wako kujisalimisha kwa adui, kupoteza sehemu ya ardhi ya nchi yako, etc. Etc. That doesn't sound like shining to me!

Kuweka kibaraka mahali/nchi fulani ni lazima kwanza uiteke hiyo nchi!? Bagosha!!

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Galip S-22 said:
Hadi kufikia tareh 24 Feb media zao zote zilikuwa zikiwatambua kama Nazis ndani ya Ukraine, kiasi kwamba toka mwaka jana Japan alikuwa kaliweka hili kundi la Azov ndani ya list yao ya vikundi vya kigaidi duniani.

But any1 who fight with Russia kwenye sura za magharibi ni mtakatifu no matter iweje, That's why unaeza ona vyombo vya habari hivo hivo vikabadili jina kutoka Nazis hadi "Far right", Japan nae akawatoa kwenye list na ombi la radhi juu uku akiahidi haitojirudia.

Na hiyo utaona matukio ya kinyama yanayofanywa na Ukraine na hao Azov yakiwa Praised kwenye social network na vyombo vyao vya habari kama yule dada akimchinja POW wa Russia the same ISIS tactics ila hakisemwi kitu.

Anyway nikuache na maswali haya ya nyongeza...
1. Kwanini logo ya NATO ina resemble ile logo ya Nazi?

2. Kwanini jengo la NATO, pale makao makuu... Ukilizoom kutokea juu lina shape ya NAZI?

3. Kwanini war criminals wa kinazi wamekuja kuhodhi uongozi wa juu ndani ya NATO???
Ntawataja wachache ambao unaeza kuwatafta kamaa mfano tu
[emoji298]Adolf Heusinger from Nazi tena huyu alikuwa chief of Staff wa Hitler to the Chairman of NATO military committee...

[emoji298]Hans Speidel from Nazi General to Supreme Commander of NATO's Ground Force kwa Central Europe enzi hizo.

[emoji298]Johannes Steinhoff huyu mpaka alitunukiwa Knight Cross ya Iron Across ambayo ni Highest Nazi military award ya kipindi hicho ila nae akaja kusave as Chairman of NATO military committee!

[emoji298] Johann von Kielmansegg huyu General Staff officer wa kinazi akaja kua NATO's Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe...

Na wengineo kuendelea kuwataja ntaifanya kuwa ndefu.

4. Sasa unaeza kuitizama hiyo list ilivo ndefu na nafasi walizoshikiria ndani ya NATO na hakika itakupa walau ule mwangaza tu wakujua kwanini NATO wako after Russia.

Kwasabab wale kwa nafasi zao walizokuwa nazo ndani ya NAZI army na nafasi walizoshika ndani ya NATO sizani kama naeza kushawishika kua zile Ideology ziliishia uko uko... Bali zimeendelezwa kizazi na kizazi.

5. Kisha rudi kujiuliza mengine tena, haya makundi ya kinazi ndani ya Ukraine yamekuwa trained na Maafisa kutoka nchi zilizo Umoja wa NATO, Je kama Europe really wako against Nazi, ilikuaje wakawa wanawa-train kijeshi... Walikuwa wanatrain kijeshi wafuzu against nani baadae???

6. Itizame vizuri hii picha... View attachment 2188841Soma hayo maandishi Ajab ni kua, hiyo Logo iliyopo kifuani ya Nazi inafanana na Jengo lao la HQ... Je is it a coincidence? Designer ama architecture wa hilo jengo, logo yao... Kwamba Alifanya kwa bahati mbaya? View attachment 2188800
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Duh,si mchezo.
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T14 Armata said:
Additionally, mpaka sasa Zelensky is outshining Putin. Putin si alitaka regime change, iko wapi?
Putin anashindwa nini kumkamata Zelensky, ni kwamba hajaweza. Zelensky si anazurula mitaani Kyiv tena last time akiwa na Boris Johnson. Au unasema Russia wanafurahia vifaru vyao kupigwa, ndege na tena meli.

Bila kuiteka Ukraine hao Russia watafanyaje. Si imegoma kujisalimisha na kuweka silaha chini. The next kama Ukraine ingetekwa ni kumfungulia mashtaka Zelensky au kumuua na kubadilisha katiba ioneshe marufuku kujiunga NATO na kubadilisha serikali. Pro Russia wanajua hili waziwazi.

Kuitawala baada ya kuiteka si ni kuweka kibaraka. Hili haliumizi akili hata maana washafanya hivi before
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Endelea kuwaza hivyo hivyo,Putin akimaliza Operation yake ndio utaelewa!Mpaka Sasa military targets zilizoshambuliwa na Russia ni nyingi sana!Usione kila siku Zalensky anaomba kuongezewa silaha ukawa huelewi kwanini!
Kila siku Russia anapiga makombora sehemu nyeti!Ila habari hizo huwezi kuona unaletewa na vyombo vya west!Vyombo vya west vitakuonesha tu makazi ya watu yaliyokumbwa na mabomu!
 
Sasa kama unaowataja wanamzidi kwa nini usiwashauri waingize jeshi ukraine
Muite said:
Ukute wala hana bali ilikuwa mikwala tu ili aogopwe. Yaani uwezo aliouonyesha Russia kwenye hii Operation ni wa kawaida sana, hata nchi kama South Africa angeonyesha uwezo kuliko hivi. Tactics za Russia hadi unawaza hivi hili ni lile Taifa tunalopewa Sifa zake au wengine. Imagine ile Convoy ndeeeeefu tena imesongana karibu sana yaani ni rahisi sana Kuteketezwa. Meli inazamishwa kirahisirahisi tu utadhani ni jeshi la Congo .POOR TACTICS, POOR INTELLIGENCE, POOR PLANNING & TOO LOCAL.

Binafsi nimeshaishitukia Russia. Ilikwezwa sana kumbe ni viwango vya Iraqi, Iran, Korea nk. Yaani hata tu Uingereza, France, German WANAMZIDI
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T14 Armata said:
Fanya kujaribu kutoa scenario ambapo flagship ya USN flagship itapigwa na kombora la kizembe kama Neptune ambalo Warusi wenyewe walisisitiza haliwezi fanya lolote
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Mkuu kuna meli ya Marekani ilisha wahi kupingwa kombora na magaidi ikiwa pwani ya Yemen sema wao haikuwazama waliwahi kuzima moto ila iliharibiwa vibaya sana unazungumziaje hilo?

Haya mameli ya Marekani unayo yasifu kila siku drone za Iran huwa zinapaa juu ya hayo mameli na hayaoni chochote wana shutuka video inasambaa kwenye mitandao ya kijamii ikiyaonesha hayo mameli yananyo fanya kazi mpaka Marekani ilirazimika kuipiga mkwara Iran ili iache hiyo tabia.
 
T14 Armata said:
Hiyo ndio USN? USN ni United States Navy, na tena nimeomba flagship yao kama ilivyokuwa Moskva.

Hawa Ukraine hii flagship yao waliizamisha wenyewe kuepuka kutekwa na Russia ndio maana source yako imekuandikia "flooding" not sinking. Kilichotokea kwa Moskva ni sinking by missile strike
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Ushahidi wa Hilo uko wapi?Russia anasema ni ajali ya moto na akatoa na video inayoonesha hakuna missile strike yoyote kabla ya meli kulipuka!
Ukraine anasema yeye ndiye kaishambulia,Sasa wewe umeamua kuchagua kuamini kinachosemwa na Ukraine!
Mpaka Sasa vyombo vyote,BBC,Aljazeera,France 24 vinareport habari bila kusema kuwa meli imelipuliwa au ilipata ajali ya moto na kulipuka!
Sasa wewe ni nani mpaka uwe na uhakika na unachokisema?Umeverify habari Yako kupitia wapi?Tupe na sisi link ya Ili nasi tuwe na uthibitisho wa Hilo usemalo!
 
Russia has declared 18 employees of the EU Delegation in Moscow persona non grata, the Foreign Ministry said.

The EU Ambassador was summoned to the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, where he was protested because of the unjustified expulsion of 19 diplomats from the Russian Permanent Mission to the European Union.
Galip S-22
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