Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Mwamaleki said:
Wewe ni shoga ndo maana unapenda kuutaja taja. kitu kinachokuchukiza huwezi kukitaja kila saa. njoo sasa nikutambalizie mkuyenge shoga wewe
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Ukiona unaumia bhs wewe ni walewale
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MakinikiA said:

Vita vya Ukraine: Makombora yapiga Kyiv, Umoja wa Mataifa wakiri kushindwa​

Saa 6 zilizopita
Mwanajeshi wa Ukraine akiwa amesimama karibu na mstari wa mbele


Makombora yamepiga Kyiv wakati wa ziara ya Katibu Mkuu wa Umoja wa Mataifa mjini humo, ambapo alikosoa Baraza la Usalama la Umoja wa Mataifa.
Antonio Guterres amesema baraza hilo limeshindwa kuzuia au kumaliza vita nchini Ukraine.
Hiki kilikuwa "chanzo cha kukatishwa tamaa sana, kufadhaika na hasira," alisema.
"Niseme wazi kabisa: [ilishindwa] kufanya kila kitu katika uwezo wake kuzuia na kumaliza vita hivi,"
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Hii ndio taasisi yakwanza kabisa yakipuuzi inayotakiwa kuvunjwa baada ya hii OP halaf hizo nyenginezo EU na NATO zitajivunjikia zenyewe
RUSSIA wahuni sana safi sana hivi ndio inatakiwa
RUSSIA sio ZIMBABWE
 
Galip QiL said:
Na mie nikazie juu ya mkazo hapo hapo...

Zile WMD alizotumia kama kigezo cha kuivamia Iraqi, Russia kazisheheni za kutosha. Em tizama hayo majiji ya US yageuzwe majivu kama tu ile September Eleven inawapa homa hadi leo na ni miaka zaidi ya 20 imepita na usisahau lile lilikuwa ni shambulio la ndege tu kugonga pale WT centre japo kiukweli hakuna mshindi kwenye Nuclear.

Itizame Europe ilinganishe na Russia, ukizungumza kieneo Eurupe imebanana iko more dense kuliko Russia ambayo iko scattered kulingana na ukubwa wa eneo. Hivo shambulio moja linaleta maafa makubwa na Utaona namna ilivo ngumu tena ngum mno kwao kushambulia kila point ndani ya ardhi ya Russia ukilinganisha wao...

Kibaya zaidi kama usemavyo ndani ya NATO kuna muunganiko wa nchi kama 30 hivi... ila huu wingi wao ni kama mapovu, ukipita upepo yamepotea. That's why hata katika kauli, Utasikia zinatoka US, ikisogea sana UK wengine bendera fata upepo.
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Kuna nchi kama uturuki me naonaga wapo katikati hawaeleweki hawa jamaa
 
Champagnee said:
Mkuu umefafanua vzr ngoja nijazie kuna kitu US mpaka sasa hajiamini hajui maadui zake hata hao ambao wapo NATO ikianza WW3 wapo watakao mgeuka wengi wapo kimaslahi pale.
Ná Marekani anajua kuwa kuna kundi kubwa halimsapoti, hivi unafikir Japan hakumbuki machungu ya hiroshima?? Anajikaza tu

Kumbuka kuna kundi kubwa la nchi za Asia zitakua pamoja na Russia kuna china, NK, india brazili hao ni moja ya partner wa Russia. WW3 ikitokea Europe ndo watakaoumia zaid manake vita itapigwa hapo Europe.
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It is possible unachokisema champagnee sababu nchi zinaangalia maslahi.
 
Kwamaoni yangu
-RUSSIA hajaipiga UKRAINE kwa nguvu kubwa sababu hayupo vitani nae nampaka sasa bado RUSSIA hajawa na sababu yakufanya hivi akiwa na sababu yakufanya hv DUNIA nzima itajua namie na wewe tutajua
-Hawez kuanzisha vita ya DUNIA kwakumpiga anaemsaidia UKRAINE direct kama ambavyo US hajampiga RUSSIA pale SYRIA ila ikibidi kupigwa anaeisaidia UKRAINE atapigwa popote alipo hapa nakukumbusha tu licha yakwamba vita ipo mpakani mwa URUSI na UKRAINE ila huko RUSSIA mambo yapo kawaida yaani kama hakuna vita amani na usalama upo wakutosha sana
-Wengi hua mnakosea sana kudhania kwamba RUSSIA hakujiandaa na hili linaloendelea hapo UKRAINE ila RUSSIA niwazi kabisa mpaka sasa inaonesha aliishajiandaa na hiki kinaloendelea toka mwaka 2014 alipopinduliwa mshirika wake ama kabla tena ukiachana na hilo la 2014 RUSSIA kaishajiandaa kupigana na NATO nzima maana anajua NATO imeundwa kwaajili yake yaani anaewaza kwamba RUSSIA eti hakujipanga kupigana na UKRAINE anakosea sana maana RUSSIA kajiandaa kupigana na mataifa 40 yote ya NATO nahuu ndio ukweli
Mbinu za RUSSIA katika hiki kinachoendelea ndio sio zamfano wangapi wanapeleka misaada UKRAINE kwamba hapo wazi jamaa anapigana na mataifa zaidi ya UKRAINE ila anawamudu
Hii OP haitafika ila hatakama itafika miaka kumi basi RUSSIA anaimudu vyema tu tuupe muda nafasi
Hitimisho:-mpaka sasa RUSSIA ananafasi nzuri yakushinda hii vita pia huu mgogoro ukiisha tambua nakuhakikishia kuna nchi zunazaliwa nakuna taasisi hutaziona tena zitabakia historia
 
Sikirimimimasikini said:
Czech yaweweseka kwa kuhofia kukatiwa gesi na Russia...ni baada ya kuona wenzake Poland na Bulgaria wamenyolewa na wembe wa gesi wa Putin

Waziri mkuu wa Czech amesema wamarekani wa JF wanapozungumza kuhusu Putin awakatie tu gesi waCzech, hao wamarekani wa JF hawajui wanachobwabwaja...Waziri mkuu huyo anasema wao waCzech hawataki kurudi kwenye zama za kale za mawe...Waziri huyo ameonya kuwa endapo Russia ikiwakatia tu gesi, basi maisha ya kijamii na shughuli za kibiashara zitaathirika vibaya mno. WaCzech wanategemea gesi ya Putin kwa 98%.

Tulizoea kuona sisi tunaoishi ulimwengu wa tatu tukikatiwa umeme na TANESCO, mwaka huu mambo yamegeuka, hadi mabeberu yanakatiwa gesi...lazima tuheshimiane


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Narudia tena mpaka hii OP ikiisha tutashuhudia mambo makubwa yakitokea ila kwauchache nayaona haya
Moja kuna taasisi kubwa sana tunazozifahamu zitavunjika
Mbili kuna mataifa mengine mapya yatazaliwa
Tatu kuna mataifa hayatakua tena kama kabla ya hii OP KISIASA KIUCHUMI KIJESHI nk
Nne nk nk nk.....
 
Mwamaleki said:
Ila yeye jamaa kuita watu wengine mashoga kwasababu tu ni wapo kinyume na msssssssenge putin ni sawa. acha mapenzi ya kitoto
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Wote mnao toa matusi ni wajinga haijalishi mko upande gani.
Wanao pigana wanapigana kwa ajili ya maslahi yao Urusi ikishinda nchi yako hainufaiki kwa lolote pia hivyo hivyo kwa nchi za magharibi.

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Root said:
Shoga baba yako na babu aliyemzaa mama yako
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Nimesoma katika kozi ya saikolojia eti mtu anaepaswa kumwaga matusi fulani katika topic yoyote, kua uwezekani yeye mwenyewe anaathiriwa na yale anayotukana.
Kwa hiyo: mtu anayepaswa kuita"shogashoga" katika mambo yasiyo na uhusiano wowote, kuna uwezekano mkubwa yeye anapambana ndani yake na hisia za kishoga lakini kwa sababu alifundishwa ni aibu na kitu kibaya, anajaribu sasa kutumia yale anayosikia ndani yake kama matusi dhidi ya wengine.
Je, Bwana, umeshajitambua?
(tena washoga kuzaa vile jinsi unavyosema, je ni kawaida??)
 
Matukio ya 29-04-22
  • Two Russian missiles struck Kyiv during a visit by the UN chief, Ukrainian officials said.
  • The West believes the battles for the besieged port of Mariupol and other areas in the east and south may determine the war’s outcome, as Russia continues its onslaught.
  • Moscow regards winning the “Battle for Donbas” as crucial if it is to achieve its stated objective of securing control over the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in the east, the UK’s defence ministry said. “Fighting has been particularly heavy around Lysychansk and Severodonetsk, with an attempted advance south from Izium towards Slovyansk,” it said on Twitter.
  • Five towns in Ukraine’s southeastern Luhansk region were shelled overnight, a defence official said.
  • A checkpoint at a village in Russia’s Kursk region bordering Ukraine was shelled on Friday, the region’s governor said. This comes days after blasts were reported by three Russian provinces bordering Ukraine.
  • Russia also said it used a diesel submarine in the Black Sea to strike Ukrainian military targets with Kalibr cruise missiles, the first time Moscow has announced the use of its submarine fleet to hit its neighbour.
  • Ukraine has suffered serious losses but Moscow’s forces have lost many more soldiers, an aide to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said in a video posted online.
  • Meanwhile, the US Congress passed lend-lease legislation that will make it easier to export military equipment to Ukraine, reviving a World-War-II-era US weapons financing programme.
Chanzo: Aljazeera
 
Hapo mahojiano ya Aljazeera na bwana stubb aliyekuwa waziri mkuu wa Finland. Yanasaidia kuelewa kwa nini nchi ndogo inaamua kujiunga na NATO (bila kusukumwa wala kulazimishwa) kwa sababu inaona tabia za Urusi ni tishio kwa usalama wake.
Russia will threaten Finland after NATO application: ex-PM Stubb
Priyanka Shankar
This year’s spring could herald a new security order for Finland and Sweden, as the two countries prepare to submit their NATO membership bids.
In January, Finland’s Prime Minister Sanna Marin reiterated her country’s traditional stance, that it had no plans of joining the security alliance. But in early April, she noted that “everything had changed” since Russia attacked Ukraine.
“Finland should be prepared for all kinds of actions from Russia,” she told reporters during a visit to Sweden, adding that Helsinki would decide on NATO membership “within weeks”.
While public support for Finland’s NATO membership used to hover between 20 and 30 percent, recent polls have shown that since the war in Ukraine began, about 70 percent of the Finnish public want their country to join NATO.
Al Jazeera spoke to Finland’s former Prime Minister Alexander Stubb to understand what led to this dramatic change.
Stubb, who has also served as Finland’s foreign and finance minister, is currently a professor and director at the School of Transnational Governance, based in the European University Institute in Florence.
Al Jazeera: How would you describe the national awakening in Finland towards joining NATO? What has changed?
Alexander Stubb: I think the decision on Finnish NATO membership was taken on February 24, at five o’clock in the morning, when [Russian President Vladimir] Putin attacked Ukraine. That’s when the public opinion basically took a 180 degree turn.
From 50 percent against and 20 percent in favour, to 50 percent in favour and 20 percent against. Currently, we are at 68 percent in favour and 12 percent against, and when our political leadership comes out with the application together with Sweden in mid-May, I predict that our figures will be over 80 percent in favour of NATO membership.
The basic line of thought is that if Putin can slaughter his brothers, sisters and cousins in Ukraine, he can do that in Finland and Sweden, as well.
For the Finns, this brings back memories of the Second World War. So NATO membership would be a way of increasing our own security and the security of the Alliance.
Al Jazeera: But this is not the first time Russia has attacked Ukraine. In 2014, when you were the Prime Minister of Finland, Russia annexed the Crimea region of Ukraine. Did you consider NATO membership back then?
Stubb: I’ve been one of the few people in Finland who has always advocated for Finnish NATO membership. In fact, I think we should have joined NATO in 1995, when we became a part of the European Union.
In 2008 I tried to push for NATO membership. I was Finland’s foreign minister back then and Chairman of the the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) and had mediated peace in the war in Georgia.
After these mediation talks, I gave a speech [on August 8, 2008], which was called 080808. In the speech, I explained how Russian aggression is back (mwaka ule Urusi ilishambulia Georgia) and that Finland should consider NATO membership. But I got a lot of pushback and since then, even when Russia attacked Ukraine in 2014, I didn’t try pushing for NATO membership because I was in the minority.
However, things are different now.
Looking at how Russia has attacked Ukraine in 2022, it seems like this invasion has provoked the people in Finland and changed their opinion. When public opinion changes, then political leaders change their opinions as well.
Al Jazeera: Prime Minister Sanna Marin spoke about Finland joining NATO when a security report warned that Finland’s potential membership could aggravate Russia further, causing tensions along the Finland-Russia border. Do you think the prime minister should have waited for the current war in Ukraine to calm down?
Stubb: I think, you know, we’re past that debate currently. We don’t expect any conventional military threats, or attacks at all, because we have one of the largest standing armies in Europe – 900,000, reserves 280,000 to be mobilised, we just bought 64 F- 35s and we have the excellent defence missile systems.
I think we’re more NATO-ready than most of the alliance’s member states themselves.
But what we will see from the moment that we apply in mid-May, to the moment that we become NATO members, there will be hybrid threats. There will be cyberthreats, and there’ll be information war, and we’re prepared for that.
For instance when Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy was speaking in the Finnish Parliament about two and a half weeks ago, the homepages of Finland’s defence ministry and the foreign ministry went down. And, you know, obviously, it was a Russian attack.
At the same time, there was a violation of our airspace, obviously Russians again.
So these are the kind of threats we will continue getting and we’re ready. In the bigger picture, Finnish and Swedish NATO membership will also increase the security of the region.
Al Jazeera: Is there any opposition Finland could face from NATO members with respect to its ascension bid?
Alexander Stubb: I’m subjective, but it’s very difficult to make any rational argument against allowing Finland and Sweden to join NATO. Besides strong military troops, we both have the biggest Western telecommunication service companies in the world — Nokia and Ericsson and this is significant for the general infrastructure of security.
On top of that, we actually have the experience of fighting wars with Russia, considering our own history with the Kremlin. NATO members are aware of our capabilities and will not get a hothead when it comes to our membership.
 
Mwanamkiwi said:
Nimesoma katika kozi ya saikolojia eti mtu anaepaswa kumwaga matusi fulani katika topic yoyote, kua uwezekani yeye mwenyewe anaathiriwa na yale anayotukana.
Kwa hiyo: mtu anayepaswa kuita"shogashoga" katika mambo yasiyo na uhusiano wowote, kuna uwezekano mkubwa yeye anapambana ndani yake na hisia za kishoga lakini kwa sababu alifundishwa ni aibu na kitu kibaya, anajaribu sasa kutumia yale anayosikia ndani yake kama matusi dhidi ya wengine.
Je, Bwana, umeshajitambua?
(tena washoga kuzaa vile jinsi unavyosema, je ni kawaida??)
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Li NATO mwenzio hilo linaya mimina matusi
 
Hapa hitimisho ya matukio ya leo kutoka BBC:
round-up of the latest events in Ukraine:
  • The capital's mayor Vitali Klitschko says the strikes - which took place during a visit by the UN chief - was Putin showing his middle finger to the international organisation
  • Two British volunteers providing humanitarian assistance in Ukraine have been captured by the Russian military, an aid organisation says
  • And Ukraine's government says it will attempt to evacuate civilians from the Azovstal steel plant in Mariupol where its soldiers are still holding out
Map showing the battle in the east
 
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