Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

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Tsh said:
Nyie mmekuwa bully. Mnapiga tu. Mmeshindwa hata ktuma majasusi wakamwondoa raisi kisha mkaweka pandikizi la raisi mkawaacha raia waendelee na maisha yao mnalipua nchi ya wakulima wa watu wasiojua hata tafsiri halisi ya NATO ni nn[emoji3].
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Mbna NATO ambao hawakua bully hawakufanya hayo kwa IRAQ LIBYA AFGHANISTAN
Wakau watu hovyo ila kwa nchi maskini kama RUSSIA ndio mnataka wafanye !!!??
 
john issa said:
kwenye jukwaa hili mimi ndo najiona sina kitu kuliko wote, nimefuatilia thread hii toka mwanzo :
nilichogundua hapa nikuwa
Russia wanapoona silaha, za Ukraine zinaongeza makali nao wanaongeza kidogo nguvu,
kwa mtazamo wangu mimi Ukraine wangemaliza hii vita kidiplomasia
huko mbelee Russia watakaza zaidi alafu wanataiharibu nchi yote,,
ila nyuma ya hii op naona kuna kitu wengi huenda hatukijui au tunakijua ila hatukielew....
maana bwana zelewesky nashindwa kumuelew kitu kimojaa..."kwani kujiunga NATO na kutojiunga mkaishi na jirani yako kwa amani shidaa iko wapo?"
kwani NATO wana faida gani kubwa ambayo inaweza kureplace maisha ya watu na miundo mbinu inayoharibiwa kila uchwao ?
au mimi ndo sijui ?
faida gani member wa NATO wanapata kinacholingana na kila Ukraine inapoteza ?
na uchumi wa dunia unatatizika kiasi hiki ?
kila siku nasikia wataalamu mbalmbl wanasema Russia ili miscalculate resistance ya Ukraine, lakin mimi nahis USA ndo ili miscalculate response ya RUSSIA kwa Ukraine kujiunga NATO,,,,
ila kwa kutumia historia tu, mimi binafsi nafikiri Russia pia hajakurupuka kwenye hili,,,, huenda hii vita ikatufikisha mahali AMBAPO sis third world countries hatukutegemea..........
wengi tunafikiri RUSSIA kakosea sana,
lakin siku chache hizi nimeona china ikitaka kuweka millitary base solomon island USA NA Australia wamekuwa wakali sana na wamesem watarespond accordingly,
ndo najiuliza kwa nn wao Ukraine hawafeel the same taste ??
jaman sisi hapa jamiiforum nahis kuna vitu hatuvijui zaidi ya yale tusumayo Google huko....ila mataifa haya yanajuana.....
kwa kifupi tu niseme dunia inahitaji Russia yenye NGUVU kuliko yenyewe inavotuhitaji kwa sababu USA akiwa kiranja wa dunia ana misuse power yake..

nadhani temeshuhudia akitumia nguvu yale kunyanyasa mataifa mengi Libya, Iraq, etc
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Fact tupuuuuuu
 
Tsh said:
Sikupingi ila naweka angalizo ambalo linaweza kukupa mtazamo tofauti.

USA mpaka sasa hajaonyesha nia ya kuingia vitani na Urusi moja kwa moja, ila anataka Ukraine apigane kwa muda mrefu sana na yupo tayari kusimamia hilo na kumwezesha katika hilo.

Nafikiri USA alijua Urusi hawezi mruhusu Ukraine aingie NATO na lazima angemvamia hivyo hili analofanya sasa alishaandaa bajeti yake. Urusi asingeivamia Ukraine, ingejiunga NATO na USA angekuwa hajapoteza lolote.

Kwa maoni yangu URUSI ana option mbili tu:

1. Aipige Ukraine kwa kutumia nguvu kubwa ili afute serikali na USA na washirika wakose serikali ya kuipa silaha. Akifanya hili USA watalazimika either kukubali yaishe au kuingiza majeshi yao ambapo hapo tayari itakuwa ni vita vya 3 vya dunia.

2.Anzishe vita vya dunia kwa kumpiga anayemuwezesha Ukraine wakati akiendelea na anachokifanya Ukraine.

Kinyume na hizi njia, yupo kwenye wakati mgumu wa kutumia uchumi wake kupigana kwa muda mrefu sana. Unless kama na yeye alijiandaa na uchumi wake unaruhusu hilo. Hapo hatujaongelea uwezekano wa Ukraine kufanikiwa kupenyeza kombora ndani ya mipaka ya Urusi.

Mbinu za USA na NATO, katika uhalisia si za kudharau, si wepesi pia.
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Mwanzoni US na Allies walionesha uoga ila sasa wameona uwezo wa Wanajeshi wa Ukraine ni tofauti na majeshi mengine waliyokuwa wanayasapoti, wameona liwalo na liwe.
Putin ataendelea piga mikwara ila mwisho wa siku Ukraine ataibuka mshindi na Hitler 2.0 atakufwa
 
Root said:
Shoga baba yako na babu aliyemzaa mama yako
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Kumtolea matusi mtz mwenzako kwa ajili ya Urusi au wamagharibi ambao kimsingi wanapigana kwa ajili ya maslahi yao ni moja wepo ya dalili za Upumbavu.

Hapa tuna takiwa kujadiliana kwa hoja na sio kutukanana na kudhalilishana.

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Bwana Utam said:
Mbna NATO ambao hawakua bully hawakufanya hayo kwa IRAQ LIBYA AFGHANISTAN
Wakau watu hovyo ila kwa nchi maskini kama RUSSIA ndio mnataka wafanye !!!??
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Sijaelewa boss. Nachojua USA naye alishafanya huu ubully.
 
FUSO said:
Kwa maneno haya huyu jamaa hafai kuwa kiongozi wa Taifa kubwa kama Urusi - Dunia lazima ihakikishe Madikteta kama hawa wanakuwa fixed haraka kabla hajaleta majanga kwa Dunia.. angalia maneno kama haya ya kutishia watu kisa tu ana nuclear weapons.
Sasa US inamsaidia vifaa Ukraine, haya kapige sasa pale Pentagon kama wewe kidume.




Any country trying to intervene in the Ukraine war will face a "lightning-fast" response, Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned.
"We have all the tools no-one can boast of... we will use them if necessary", he said, in what is seen as a reference to ballistic missiles and nuclear arms.
Ukraine's allies have stepped up the supply of weapons, with the US vowing to make sure Ukraine defeats Russia.
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Chakushangaza unaefaa hujawahi kua hata katibu tarafa
 
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