Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Wazee wa kazi, kilaza huwa hafundishiki. Maana hii mnayompa ni shule. Msipoteze muda wenu.
Huyo ni kilaza, na bahati mbaya ni kilaza aliyekunywa maji ya bendera ya NATO.
 
You try hard to make 'United State' looks saint on this, unfortunately are all just your wishful thinking as usual, Maelezo meeeeengi yote out of theme.

Did I even ask a reason for them to Invade Libya? If not then what forcing you to bring them here?

Ok now get back to a Question. How long did they take to dismantle Gaddafi? Is it 1 day right?

In Taliban too, did I ask about the course or time they spend? Did I state anywhere that I hate America? Ok come on tell us how long did they take there.

Again, reminding you. Theme of the Question is How long did they take. So save your energy, save us a time too. Give a simple answer as short as possible.

State a number whether one day, half a day or an hour and so forth.

Qst.

1. HOW LONG DID NATO took in Libya War

2. HOW LONG DID US/NATO took in Afghanistan War

3. HOW LONG DID US took in Vietnam War

4. HOW LONG DID US took in Iraqi War

Mind you, never ever dare lying to us, we know it, don't change History. Don't change reality, We all know in case of Libya it was about NATO and Gaddafi usitudanganye hawakuwa involved directly.

Jibu maswali kama yalivyo.
 
Halafu ninyi wapenzi na washabiki wa msemaji mpya wa ikulu ya Marekani ndio mtakuwa waburudishaji

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Hii dunia utakiwi kuishi kwa stress ndugu yangu.Utashangaa Marekani na Urusi baadaye wakagongeana sisi tunabaki tumenuna .Burudika tu ,mimi nasikitika tu lazima nipambane na hali yangu ya vitu kupanda bei kwa sababu ya vita.
 
Mavuno ya Ukraine - Warusi walianza kuiba nafaka ya Ukraine kutoka ghala katika maeneo waliyovamia.
Habari nazozipenda, kama kweli Russia imefanya hii kitu, waambie wamenifurahisha sana mimi Mrusi wa Kibera, neno SHIBE halitakiwi kuwepo kwenye kamusi za Ukraine.
TUENDELEE KUISOMA NAMBA KWA PAMOJA.
 
Mkuu tumpw hint.

1. 7 Months Libya
2. 20 yrs Afghanistan
3. 19 yrs Vietnam
4. 8 yrs in Iraqi
 
Ulivyosema tu 'akili ya jews' nikajua wewe ni mtu design gani

Kila la kheri
 
Bruh you are something else.
Sijaona kitu chochote cha maana ulichoongea hapa. Upupu mtupu![emoji706][emoji706][emoji706]

NB. Rekebisha kiswahili
 
Mkuu tumpw hint.

1. 7 Months Libya
2. 20 yrs Afghanistan
3. 19 yrs Vietnam
4. 8 yrs in Iraqi
Nasubiri anijibu, short and brief like that, If and only if has a gut of doing so.

Kukubali ukweli huo ni kukubali NATO ni wadhaifu zaidi, The largest Coalition ever against weak Opponents without support wanahaha kupata ushindi.

Unfortunately its a kind of truth, that's too big for him to chew.
 
[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Una ukoo na Medvedev mzee

Kwamba 'It's kind of truth that's too big for him to chew'
 
Hali hii miezi miwili, halafu zele anadai atapigana miaka 10 😂



Despite the fact that the Ukrainian government is trying to reassure citizens with constant statements about the soonest stabilization of the situation on the energy market in the state, the fuel crisis is worsening every day and reaching a new level. So, in Odessa, long queues lined up for coupons for diesel fuel and gasoline.



Hapa kuna watu wanatamani hili lingekuwa limetokea Russia wajazane hapa kupongezana.
 
Nawaza tungewafanyia hivi warundi ingekuaje, nenda nayo hadi mwisho.

In general, the situation with the middle class of Ukrainians is very complicated. In Ukraine, it disappears due to the expiration of resources and downtime at work, as well as skyrocketing prices.

And even those who managed to go abroad taking their savings are now spending them there, because if in the first two months of hostilities all refugees received benefits from European countries, today much has changed.

In the same Germany, for example, they are seriously engaged in the division of refugees into those who need help, those who can live for the first time on their savings or by selling a car, for example.

So, from June 1, their active filtering will begin - Ukrainians in Germany will have to indicate all their movable and immovable property.

For example, if a refugee has a car, but its value does not exceed €7,500, then he has the right to keep it and receive social benefits from Germany.

But, if the car is more expensive, it is proposed to sell it and live on this money.

“Swindling” will not work, in case of deception of the German regulatory authorities, Ukrainians face criminal liability.

This is how the “middle class” among Ukrainians will disappear.
 
[emoji779]️Russian soldiers refuse to fight against the Ukrainian army. The leadership of the Russian Federation suppresses the riots of the military

[emoji3502]There is a split in the Russian army: the military does not want to go on the attack, and the riots are becoming massive.

[emoji3502]To suppress the riots, the government of the Russian Federation sends experienced generals who arrange "show trials" for the rebels.

[emoji3502]The conversation intercepted by the SBU contains details of punishments. A Russian soldier tells his parents about General Muradov, who previously led the grouping of Russian forces in Syria.

[emoji3502]Muradov gave the order to take out the company commanders in an unknown direction, who refused to obey. Prior to that, all personal belongings were taken from them, undressed and tied up.

Unaweza kusoma zaidi.[emoji116]

 
For you to understand the end you must know the beginning. Kazi ya NATO Libya ilikua strictly ku enforce ' No fly Zone' na sio kumuua Gaddafi. In other words kuhakikisha ndege za Gaddafi haziruki na zikiruka zinaangushwa, hizo ndege ndo ziliwatesa raia wa Libya. NATO haikua the main belligerent katika hivyo vita na lengo lilikua Peace Keeping.
In Taliban too, did I ask about the course or time they spend? Did I state anywhere that I hate America? Ok come on tell us how long did they take there.
Hapa Naona akili zimekuingia kwamba Amerika ilikua sahihi kuivamia Afghanistan na sio kama Russia kumuonea Ukraine.
1. Invalid question, NATO wasn't the main belligerent, otherwise Russia inge veto hiyo UN resolution. Instead rephrase swali lako liwe 'How long did Libyan Rebels took to overthrow Gaddafi'

2. A matter of weeks and 20 years engaging insurgents.

3. Invalid question, USA role in Vietnam was giving air support and tactics. USA didn't declare formal war. Rephrase it to 'how long did did North and South Vietnam war last'

4. 1 month 1 week and 8yrs engaging insurgents
Mind you, never ever dare lying to us, we know it, don't change History. Don't change reality, We all know in case of Libya it was about NATO and Gaddafi usitudanganye hawakuwa involved directly.

Jibu maswali kama yalivyo.
Amerika kabla haijaingia katika vita lazima ifanye formal declaration. Ndo huwa nashangaa mtu akiniambia USA ilipigwa na Somalia kwa sababu ya movie ya 'black hawk down'.
Tutofautishe Peace keeping/ proxy/ guerilla/ conventional/ Cyber warfare
 
Kufananisha US invasion in Afghanistan vs Russian operation in Ukraine kunaonesha jinsi gani ujuzi wako kwenye haya mambo ulivyo, no offense!

1. Us invasion of Afghanistan ilifanywa baada ya Afghanistan kudhaifishwa na vikwazo. 1999 UNSC walipitisha resolution no 1267 lililoitambua Alqaeda na Taliban kama makundi ya kigaidi na kuwawekea vikwazo kwenye funding, travel na silaha. Kitendo hiki kiliidhohofusha sana Afghanistan iliyokuwa chini ya taliban. Ukraine [emoji1255] kabla ya kuvamiwa haikuwekewa vikwazo kwanza walikuwa na ushirikiano mzuri na west na tangu 2014 Us/Nato wamekuwa wakiifadhili jeshi la ukr kwa hali na mali.

2. Us hakuivamia Afghanistan peke yake bali alikuwa na Uk ambaye baadaye alisaidiwa na Canada France Germany Australia wakati Urusi kaingia Ukraine mwenyewe. Kumbuka US walitangaza vita kbs dhidi ya /TalibanAlqaedaAfghanistan wakati urusi anafanya special operation tu. Learn the difference

3. Afghanistan baada ya kuvamiwa walikuwa isolated kbs na dunia nzima hakuna hata aliyewaonea huruma achilia mbali kuwasaidia kwa silaha na military infos wakati Ukraine anasaidiwa na majority ya dunia kuanzia silaha taarifa za kiitelijensia na hata solidarity kila mahali ss hv utaona #IstandwithUkraine

4. Us hakuwekewa vikwazo kufuatia uvamizi wake Afghanistan wakati urusi amewekewa vikwazo visivyoidadi mpk sasa

5. US hawakuwa na utaratibu wowote wa kuzingatia maisha na usalama wa raia wasio na hatia. Wengi waliuliwa wakati wa uvamizi huo hasa wanawake na watoto na hakukua na nafasi ya diplomasia. Urusi anachukua tahadhari kuruhusu raia waondoke maeneo hatarishi (humanitarian corridors) wakati huo mazungumzo yanaendelea na yanapopiga hatua mapigano anayapunguza ref. Kuretreat kiev baada ya kupiga hatua kidogo kwenye diplomasia, anatoa misaada ya kibinaadamu kwa raia wa ukr na wanajeshi waliojisalimisha na waliotekwa.


Ukiachilia hayo yote bado haikuwa rahisi kudefeat taliban wakati huo. Iliwachukua miezi miwili takriban mpaka kuwadefeat taliban na kuweka serikali ya muda (uvamizi ulianza oct 7 mpaka Taliban kukolapse dec 9). Mataifa makubwa kuungana na kuidefeat taliban dhaifu (vile) kwa muda wa miezi miwili sio jambo la kujifaharisha kwalo. They should have done better. Miaka 20 baadae mambo yamerudi kama zamani na hakuna kilichokuwa tofauti, what a waste!

Unaposema lengo lilikuwa kuhakikisha US soil haishambuliwi tena na magaidi unakosea kwa sababu huwezi kujua what the future holds. Tunaombea yasitokee lkn magaidi hawatabiriki miaka michache kuanzia ss hv huwezi kujua yepi yatatokea ndio kwanza muda mchache ss hv tangu us atoke afghan. Ugaidi ni swala la kukemewa duniani kote

Urusi amefanya operation yake hali ya kuwa ana vikwazo kwa maelfu. Anazingatia raia waso na hatia na kutoa nafasi kwa diplomasia, misaada ya kiutu, hajatumia silaha nzito sana (sio vita kamili), hajasaidiwa na taifa lolote lile, ukraine wanapata misaada kila uchwao, propaganda dhidi yake kila mahali duniani, mamluki kwa maelfu kuisaidia ukr, nk. Nk. Lkn bado anafanya progress kuelekea kukamilisha malengo yake.

1. Demilitarization
2. Denazification
3. Russian speaking UKRnians
4. Ukr not to join Nato*
 
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