Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

[MWANAHARAMU]

Nchi yoyote lazima kuna wakati itakuwa na maamuzi ambayo nchi nyingine haitayataka haswa mnapokuwa majirani. Sasa nchi moja kutaka nchi nyingine iwe neutral maana yake ni nini?

Kenya leo ituambie tuwe neutral hataki tuwe member wa ushirika fulani au atatuvamia anakuwa amemaanisha nini? Unapata picha gani? Tutamjibu nini?

Mfano, Ukraine ana vinu vya nuclear, Urusi kaona hapana akamwambia achana na nuclear nitakulinda, Ukraine akaachana na nuclear. Hivyo ndio kuwa neutral au ni kufata matakwa ya Urusi?

Kama Ukraine ni nchi huru na si koloni la Urusi lazima kuna mambo itafanya kwa maslahi yake ambayo si maslahi ya Urusi na hapo Urusi itamuona huyu si neutral kwa tafsiri nyingine huyu hafuati ninachotaka.

Ndio kujiunga na ADUI yako?

 

[Tsh]

You know nothing in international diplomatics.
Umewahi kujiuliza lengo la NATO ni kujilinda na NANI??
UKIJUA HAPO UTAELEWA KUWA UHURU WA UKRAINE UNA MIPAKA YAKE.

Wewe huwa unaita watu vilaza, na sasa unatumia kingereza kuniita kilaza wa international diplomatics, huo ni udhaifu wako sina tatizo nao.

Tukirudi kwenye mada NATO inajilinda na Urusi, na sikatai kuwa Urusi haiwezi kukubali Ukraine awe NATO ndio maana ameingiza majeshi.

Ninachotofautiana na wewe ni kuwa Ukraine ipo sahihi pia kuamua kufanya maamuzi yake ya kuitaka NATO na kuwa na uadui na Urusi. Wewe unataka Ukraine akubali anachotaka Urusi na Ukraine hawataki kumfata Urusi na wameamua wapigane.

 

[triga]

Mkuu umeshindwa kuonesha S-300 kwenye video yako uliyoleta mwenyewe kwa mikono yako?! Maajabu yaliyoje haya[emoji2960][emoji2960][emoji2960][emoji2960]

Halafu baada ya kushindwa kuonesha S-300 ndio umerukia chanzo kingine[emoji1787][emoji23][emoji28] Habari yako uliyorukia sasa inaripotiwa na global defense corp. Sasa, kwa akili yako hao global defense corp ndio waArmenia (Armenia Ministry of Defense) wamiliki wa S-300 wanaokiri kuharibiwa mfumo wao huo?!

Umeshindwa hata kuwa na maarifa ya kujua habari unayoisoma umewekewa na nani?! Sasa ndio utaweza kuhakiki taarifa kujua ya kweli na ya Uongo?

Nakuwekea link ya website ya Wizara yaUlinzi ya Armenia, ambayo unadai wao wamekiri kuharibiwa S-300. Tafuta habari hiyo kwenye website hiyo kisha uweke hapa jamvini

Հայկական Բանակ

Kwa kukusaidia tu shirika la habari la AFP liliishafanya utafiti kuhakiki madai ya Azerbaijan kuwa mwaka 2020 waliharibu S-300 ya Armenia kwa kutumia drones za Turkey. AFP wakaona na kukanusha kuwa madai hayo sio ya kweli, ni ya uongo. Picha wanazotumia Azerbaijan hazina uhusiano wowote na vita ya Armenia/Azebaijan ya 2020. Picha hizo zimekuwepo mtandaoni toka 2016 (kabla ya vita hiyo) zikiripoti kuhusu air defense system iliyoharibika nchini Russia baada ya accident.


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These photos have circulated since 2016 in reports about an air defence system that was damaged after an accident in Russia

Two photos have been shared repeatedly in multiple Facebook and Twitter posts alongside a claim they show a Russian-made air defence system that was destroyed in an October 2020 attack on Armenia. The claim is false; the photos have circulated online since 2016 in reports about an air defence...

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Mkuu unatembeza nyundo sana. Alafu unapiga kichwani tu [emoji1787]

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[Tsh]

Ndio kujiunga na ADUI yako?

Kuchagua upande ni suala binafsi. Ukraine kuchagua kuwa rafiki na NATO na kuwa adui na Urusi si ajabu ni maamuzi yake kama nchi huru ila lina matokeo. Na matokeo ndio haya, wanapigana.

 

[NYUNDO YA MOTO]

The weapons and tanks abandoned by the Ukrainian military during the retreat were handed over to the forces of the DPR and LPR.

The Russian Defense Ministry showed captured tanks, which are now used to liberate Donbass. To master the Javelin and NLAW anti-tank systems, the military personnel of the republics undergo special training courses.

 

[Tsh]

Majimbo mawili hayajavamia, majimbo mawili ....
Yanaretaliate, haya ni matokeo ya kuwa shelled kwa miaka nane....
Ukipindisha facts, Ukweli hauwezi kuonekana.

Sawa sawa.

 

[Cash Generating Unit]

So ubishi wake umesaidia wananchi wake?? After all those bombs sasa anaenda kumtawala nani?? Makaburi?? Magofu??
Kabla ya kubishana na kutunishiana msuli na mtu yeyote jipime kama unaweza, aliyeshindwa hawezi kujisifia alipambana.
Kwanza hakuna kaburi la mjinga, UKRAINE ingeamua kama walivyo SWEDEN au FINLAND kwamba hawahitaji kuwa upande wowote ingeleta shida gani??
Huwa najiuliza mara nyingi sana, mnavyompa kichwa eti akomae, akomae na nani URUSI? NATO wamekaa pembeni yeye hajiulizi, unagawa Bunduki kwa raia then wakiuawa unasema Raia wameuawa au wapiganaji??
HAKUNA KABURI LA MJINGA.

Ishu ni kwamba jamaa alijiamini sana NATO watamsaidia kitu ambacho ameona kwa macho yake wamemkataa peupe. Mtu amepaniki anaenda kwenye media anasema NATO nindhaifu na waoga huyu jamaa apewe ushauri nahis kama hayuko sawa.

Russia amepeleka majeshi ya belarus, chenchen, na yale majimbo alokua anashikiria unaambiwa red amy imetulia tu inasoma mchezo. Hajapeleka 1st grade army na hajapeleka silaha kali.

Mara ya kwanza ukraine alianza vzr hata Russia alikua na wkt mgum, Russia wakasoma mchezo wakazunguka miji na sehem muhim za Ukraine hapo ndo habari kwisha hakuna cha silaha kuingia wala jeshi kutoka wapi.

Ushauri Russia hawana time na kuitawala ukraine hoja yao aachane na mpango wa NATO warudishe umoja wao. Jamaa akubali tu kwani kuna shida gani?. Sifa ya kiongozi ni kutoyumbishwa jamaa anawasikiliza sana US ndo wanampamba.

Shida ya UN ndo mmarekani huyohuyo anashinikiza vikwazo wakati hio ni ishu ndogo kuimaliza ni kukaa mezani kama walivofanya Cuba maisha yaendelee.

Badala NATO wakae chini wao ndo wanapeleka silaha hivi ni akili hzi? Ubaya ni mkopo sio za bure mmarekani anafanya vita kma biasha kwake stupid.

Kiukweli hii vita imeanza leta maafa makubwa sana kiuchumi leo na fatilia habari huko italy viwanda vingi vimeanza kufungwa, ujerumani ndo usiseme production imeanza kushuka viwanda vinafungwa bado mashirika ya ndege na hapo hapo Russia hajafunga gas amepunguza supply sasa akifunga kabisa itakuaje?

Hii ishu italeta majanga worldwide Marekani akae na Russia wayamalize kikubwa maisha yaendeleee.

Maamuzi anayotoa Biden ni kama anapaniki anatoa sanctions ambazo zinaathiri na wananchi wake na dunia kwa ujumla.

 

[NYUNDO YA MOTO]

Negotiations between Russia and Ukraine are not easy, but there is some hope for a compromise, Lavrov said. Galip SV Liwagu

 

[Cash Generating Unit]

Halafu kama Urusi anapambana na Ukraine ambayo anga lake halijalindwa Bado ana hangaika na kupata hasara,je,akipambana na nchi yenye mifumo thabiti ya ulinzi wa anga au NATO Hali yake itakuwaje?
Nina mashaka makubwa na uwezo wa Jeshi wa Urusi [emoji848]

Endelea kuwa na mashaka. Wambie hao NATO waingie ukraine kama unaona Russia mchumba. Au wambie waingie Urussi waone kama hakuna mifumo ya anga thabiti.

 

[Morogoro kaskazini]

Halafu kama Urusi anapambana na Ukraine ambayo anga lake halijalindwa Bado ana hangaika na kupata hasara,je,akipambana na nchi yenye mifumo thabiti ya ulinzi wa anga au NATO Hali yake itakuwaje?
Nina mashaka makubwa na uwezo wa Jeshi wa Urusi 🤔

HAO NATO HAKUNA KITU KABISA HASA HIVYO VIDEGE WANAITWA WAINGIE MZIGONI WANAKULA KONA HA HA HA NATO HATA SISI WABONGO TUNAWACHAPA VIZURU TATIZO MASHOGA WENGI MLE

 

[Cash Generating Unit]

Tena ana roho nzuri sana huyo Russia,amewaachia Ukraine vifaru vingi sana na Ukraine anavitumia kumchapia mwenyewe.
Sasa hivi Russia ni Moja wa supplier wa vifaa vya kijeshi wa Ukraine[emoji848]

Vifaru vya 1960 huko si kama wanadampu uchafu huko ukraine [emoji28]

 

[idawa]

Marina Ovsyannikova, an employee of Channel One, hit the front page of all popular British publications. Galip SV Liwagu View attachment 2152586View attachment 2152587

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Hawa jamaa kwa propaganda hatari, walivyompa heading huyo mmama sasa hatari.

 

[Morogoro kaskazini]

Arrival of a rocket at an object in Kyiv
Galip SV Liwagu
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SI MCHEZO

 

[Tsh]

Urusi haiwezi kukubali Ukraine awe NATO kwa maslahi yake kama nchi, na Ukraine haitaki kufuata matakwa ya Urusi kwa maslahi yake kama nchi ndio maana kuna mapigano. Kila mmoja anatetea maslahi yake.

Maamuzi ya Ukraine ni sahihi kwao kama yalivyo maamuzi ya Urusi kwao.

 

[idawa]

Russia delivers 90 tonnes of humanitarian aid to Ukrainians​

Russia has delivered more than 90 tonnes of humanitarian aid supplies to residents of Ukraine's Kharkiv Oblast,

Kuna watu hawapendi kabisa kusoma habari kama hizi.

 

[Morogoro kaskazini]

HUO MJI UMESHATEKWA NA KUTAGAZWA NA PUTIN

Pro Russia mna Habari huko Kherson Nini kimetokea??

Au ni waache kwanza Hadi mizoga ikianza kuoza

 

[Mr Devil]

Sanctions walizo toa Warusi mbona zina chekesha

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[Jackal]

Matajiri wa Russia wanaenda kuishi kama mashetani(JIwe Voice🤔)

 

[President of China]

Hii sasa ina trend sana huko Instagram
#NOtoMETA

 

[Jackal]

Wewe nani amekuambia, Urusi anahangika na anga la UKRAINE? Au unaposia wafunge anga unaelewa kuna milango inafungwa??
We jamaa ni kilaza.

Povu la nini wewe pro Putin?
Ukraine hawana mifumo mizuri ya ulinzi wa anga lake Bado Russia ametota!