Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

[mohamedidrisa789]

S-300 Bado ni ya moto, jumlisha ( THAAD & Patriot) bado hazifikii kabisa.

Tena Ukraine walikuwa na zile za toleo la kwanza ila zilikuwa zinasumbua ile mbaya kuliko mifumo ya Nato na Marekani

 

[jazari]

Mkuu!Zipo,kuna Hungary,Austria kuna Bulgaria,Romania,Luxenbourg nk.
Hata hivyo misaada waliyopeleka ni asilimia ndogo ya actual strength yao!

unajua ww huna akili ht kidogo ukrein mpk kufikia leo wametumia dola billion 150 niambie ni nchi ngp huko ulaya wana bajeti hyo!!! lkn pia isitoshe ukrein ilishaanza kujianda na vita miaka nane iliyo pita kwa kupewa siraha za kisasa!!! na ht hpo unaposema kuwa siraha wamepewa kwa uchache ivi hyo 150billion zimefanya nn? sema kuwa ulaya walipima maji kwa mguu. lkn pia miripuko anayo tumia ukrein kwa siku nchi za ulaya walisema ili kurecovery hyp milipuko viwanda vya siraha vinachukua mwez mzima

 

[magu2016]

Check hii hapa fiscal budget ya DOD U.S.A 2024, asee hawa jamaa huwa hawakurupuki, yaani vita ya Ukraine ipo mpaka kwenye budget ya Mmarekani [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23].
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Hamia huko kwa mabwana zako!

 

[Msambaa mkweli]

Mkuu hizi silaha zinakuja kulingana na mahitaji, Ukraine baada vamizi kuvamia kwanza walianza kujihami kwa bunduki za mkono, baadae zikaja Stinjer na Javeline zikatamba sana mpaka vamizi akatimua zake Kyiv wanajesh kibao wa Russia wakapoteza maisha., sasa kadri ambavyo Russia wanakuja silaha kali na mahitaji ya silaha ya Ukraine ikawa yanaongezeka ndio mapaka kuja hizo kufikia hizo Patriotic systerms kwa sababu Urusi walitumia sana anga kuua watu Ukraine.,

Kumbuka vita haikuanza kwa drons Urusi ndio walikodi drons kutoka Iran ndio na wao wakabadilishiwa na kuletewa hizo Lopard tanks za kutungua na Patriotic system ni kwa hatua tu. Lakini hizi silaha zote bado kuna silaha kali na kubwa zaidi ambazo ata sisi hatuzijui kwa sababu nitakupa mfano nchi nying za ulaya wanaendelea kutoa silaha hizo hizo ambazo wewe unaona ni kubwa lakini zipo out of stock, Nchi kama Ujerumani, Finland, France nk zote wanatoa silaha ambazi hazina tena muda matumizi lakini zinawatesa Russia nafkiri unaskia huko Ukrain wanavyorejesha miji yao

Hizo siraha kubwa kubwa taja angalau moja..

 

[Al assad]

Kwahyo kwann mnabisha kwamba NATO hatumii vifaa vya kisasa Hapo Ukraine na vimetolewa nduki?

Mkuu!Mimi wala siongei ushabiki,wala sijawahi pinga kuwa kuna siraha za kisasa zinapelekwa Ukraine ila ni chache.

Kuhusu kutolewa nduki sijawahi ongea na sitaongelea.
Ila tambua kuwa kushinda battle ni zaidi ya kuwa na siraha za kisasa(kumbuka wanaopigana hapa ni binadamu)

 

[Al assad]

Na hizo kidogo elezea kwa kifupi kipigo kilicho zikuta hizo silaha.

Mkuu!siraha bora ok sawa ni mzuri katika vita,lakini kushinda mapambano ni zaidi ya hivyo(weapons,tactics,determination labda na timely execution of orders)
unajua kwa nini wanajeshi wa Saud Arabia wali-struggle na kupoteza sana Yemen licha ya kuwa na siraha bora!?
So sitaki kuzungumzia hilo nitaingia kwenye mtego wa propaganda!

 

[Kalicho]

ww kijana uelewa wako wa mambo ya hii vita ni wa kawaida kuliko kawaida yenyewe....!!!..hebu katumie muda kwanza kuupdate bongo yako ndio uje uchangie humu..
au jifunze kwanza kupitia michango ya wakongwe humu ndani

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Ndio maana tunakushangaa unavyoendelea kubishana nae,tulishamuona tangu mwanzo kuwa hana uelewa wowote kuhusu historia na siasa za kikanda kuhusu hilo eneo,lakini pia hata hao anao watetea USA na NATO hata yeye hawajui vzuri,

Hata Sasa muulize madhumuni yakuanzishwa NATO ninini pia hajui,

 

[Kimbori]

Mkuu!Mimi wala siongei ushabiki,wala sijawahi pinga kuwa kuna siraha za kisasa zinapelekwa Ukraine ila ni chache.

Kuhusu kutolewa nduki sijawahi ongea na sitaongelea.
Ila tambua kuwa kushinda battle ni zaidi ya kuwa na siraha za kisasa(kumbuka wanaopigana hapa ni binadamu)

Soma hiyo wameandika wenyewe.

In Rush to Arm Ukraine, Weapons Are Bought but Not Delivered, or Too Broken to Use

Some of the weapons sent to Ukraine by other countries have been unusable, and hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts paid up front have yet to be fulfilled.

www.nytimes.com

Kuna madudu mengi anafanyiwa Ukraine na 'wakubwa' zake ila anavumilia tu kwa kuwa 'wakubwa' zake wana hesabu zao

 

[Cash Generating Unit]

Tena Ukraine walikuwa na zile za toleo la kwanza ila zilikuwa zinasumbua ile mbaya kuliko mifumo ya Nato na Marekani

Ndomana US alikua anampigia magoti Turkey apeleke S-400.

 

[Bwana Utam]

Hujaelewa! Nchi shida sana hii, kiswahili kigumu, kiingereza kigumu shida tupu!

Nilichomaanisha ni kwamba, kama si kwa msaada wa mataifa 30 kuisaidia Ukraine hii vita ilikuwa imeisha kitambo kama Putin alivyokadiria! Bahati mbaya wazee wa upinde wamechachamaa kumsaidia mwenzao! Kilichoifikisha hii vita hapa ni msaada wa wana upinde!

Naeka kituo

 

[Bwana Utam]

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] mnasonga mbele mkiwa wapi kipanya

Wanasogea mbele kurudi nyuma heheheee

 

[BUSH BIN LADEN]

Asante sana lwa kuthibitisha yale niliyoandika.
"Hadi leo NATO haikupeleka silaha za nyuklia hadi Poland, nchi za Baltiki au Romania. Wala Finland. Ukiona kinyume taja mahali na tarehe."
Ujerumani, Italia na uturuki silaha hizo zilikaa tangu siku za vita baridi. Wakati ule kwa sababu silaha za Kirusi zilikaa Ujerumani, Chekoslovakia, na kadhalika. Bado ziko mkoa wa Kaliningrad.

Mkuu acha kuzunguka sana sema siraha za nyuklia za marekani sio nato maana huko ziliko hakuna hata moja ni ya wafaransa wala waingereza. Unaiogopa nini marekani hadi uwaonee aibu kiasi hiki?

Kwahiyo unadai siraha husika hazijawekwa Poland, Romania wala Baltiki, sababu ni nini?

 

[BUSH BIN LADEN]

Britain brings in laws to keep sanctions against Russia until compensation paid to Ukraine​

The UK has introduced legislation that will allow it to keep sanctions against Russia in place until Moscow pays compensation to Ukraine.

"As Ukraine continues to defend itself against Russia's invasion, the terrible impacts of Putin's war are clear. Ukraine's reconstruction needs are – and will be – immense," Foreign Secretary James Cleverly said.

"Through our new measures today, we’re strengthening the UK's sanctions approach, affirming that the UK is prepared to use sanctions to ensure Russia pays to repair the country it has so recklessly attacked," he added.
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Huyu Supa-pawa wa mchongo hachomoki safari hii, kabanwa mbavu pande zote.
Ukraine war latest: Why Moscow doesn't want UN to see flood-hit area; Russia uses 'bomb tank'

Hivi leo 2023 kuna nchi inatishwa na vikwazo vya waswahili wa mfalme chalesi? UK waache kujitutumua hawana jipya

 

[Cash Generating Unit]

France asks to stop the madness that NATO calls "Ukrainian counter-offensive"
"Go stop the madness! World! Since the counter-offensive failed, the frenzied NATO people are now saying that we should send warplanes to Zelensky. Same logic as the coronavirus vaccine: it doesn't work, so we're giving an extra dose! " , - wrote Florian Filippo.

 

[Al assad]

Mkuu!unfortunately unataka kuniingiza unataka kuniingiza katika propaganda.

Swali; hakuna siraha Ukraine hajatumiwa na NATO !

Jibu;nikazitaja baadhi na si zote!
Now unasema hata hizo zilizotumwa hazitasaidia chechote na kutaja siraha zako za upande wako kuwa ni bora zaidi(nje ya mada) japo zinashindwa komboa Donbas mpaka sasa.

NIGGA PAC

 

[TUJITEGEMEE]

sekunde 20!!! (na pia: unapata wapi stori alikaa Kyiv miezi kadhaa??????)

Najua lengo ni kukwepesha watu wasifutilie namna counteroffensive ya Ukraine ilivyogeuka "kamuliwa-ufedhuli" kwa kichapo kutoka Russia.
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Miezi kadhaa imeelezwa hapa. Endapo si mvivu wa kusoma.
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Neocons(US and allies) and the Ukraine Coup​

Of relevance to the ongoing war in Ukraine, this incisive article was first written by the late Robert Parry on February 24, 2014, in the immediate wake of the US Sponsored Coup d’Etat.

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American neocons helped destabilize Ukraine and engineer the overthrow of its elected government, a “regime change” on Russia’s western border. But the coup – and the neo-Nazi militias at the forefront – also reveal divisions within the Obama administration.

More than five years into his presidency, Barack Obama has failed to take full control over his foreign policy, allowing a bureaucracy shaped by long years of Republican control and spurred on by a neocon-dominated U.S. news media to frustrate many of his efforts to redirect America’s approach to the world in a more peaceful direction.

But Obama deserves a big dose of the blame for this predicament because he did little to neutralize the government holdovers and indeed played into their hands with his initial appointments to head the State and Defense departments, Hillary Clinton, a neocon-leaning Democrat, and Robert Gates, a Republican cold warrior, respectively.

Even now, key U.S. diplomats are more attuned to hard-line positions than to promoting peace. The latest example is Ukraine where U.S. diplomats, including Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland and U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt, are celebrating the overthrow of an elected pro-Russian government.
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kwa maelezo ya kina tembelea link hii hapa

Neocons and the Ukraine Coup - Global Research

Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland. Of relevance to the ongoing war in Ukraine, this incisive article was first written by the late Robert Parry on February 24, 2014, in the immediate wake of the US Sponsored Coup d’Etat. *** American neocons helped destabilize...

www.globalresearch.ca

 

[mohamedidrisa789]

Ndomana US alikua anampigia magoti Turkey apeleke S-400.

Yah ni kweli kwa sababu kwenye inshu ya anti air missile Urusi hana mpinzani.

 

[Cash Generating Unit]

Mkuu!unfortunately unataka kuniingiza unataka kuniingiza katika propaganda.

Swali; hakuna siraha Ukraine hajatumiwa na NATO !

Jibu;nikazitaja baadhi na si zote!
Now unasema hata hizo zilizotumwa hazitasaidia chechote na kutaja siraha zako za upande wako kuwa ni bora zaidi(nje ya mada) japo zinashindwa komboa Donbas mpaka sasa.

NIGGA PAC

Ni maeneo mangapi yamechukuliwa na Russia mpaka sasa??

 

[Al assad]

unajua ww huna akili ht kidogo ukrein mpk kufikia leo wametumia dola billion 150 niambie ni nchi ngp huko ulaya wana bajeti hyo!!! lkn pia isitoshe ukrein ilishaanza kujianda na vita miaka nane iliyo pita kwa kupewa siraha za kisasa!!! na ht hpo unaposema kuwa siraha wamepewa kwa uchache ivi hyo 150billion zimefanya nn? sema kuwa ulaya walipima maji kwa mguu. lkn pia miripuko anayo tumia ukrein kwa siku nchi za ulaya walisema ili kurecovery hyp milipuko viwanda vya siraha vinachukua mwez mzima

Mkuu!kuwa mstaarabu unajua nimejibu kulinga na na mchango wa member hapo juu.
Hoja hujibiwa kwa hoja na si kejeli,matusi na viroja.
Mkuu sorry kama michango yangu inakuchukiza na kama ni addict wa matusi basi just skip maana sipendi matusi(mimi ni muungwana)

"if you don't love them,atreast don't hurt them"

 

[Bwana Utam]

Yani wiki moja tu Ukraine wamepoteza zaidi ya magari 500 ya kivitaView attachment 2654463View attachment 2654464

Safiiiii sanaaaaa