Kipindi siamini MUNGU, sikuwa na muda na imani za watu

[Antonymkude]

Saizi ndo huna akili sas

 

[Scars]

Hayo ni maelezo sio maelezo mengi. Nani anayeamua kama ni mengi ama si mengi?

Mnapodai kuwa imani ni kinyume na sayansi au haina mantiki, ni jambo la akili kuonyesha kwamba sivyo, na siwezi kuelezea kwa sentensi moja!

Sio najifanya kumix imani na facts: nakuonyesha, nakuthibitishia kuwa imani na sayansi sio maadui.

Hakuna hoja hata moja uliyopinga zaidi ya kusema najifanya, stay in your lane. Hakuna ulichopinga kwa hoja hata kimoja! ! !

Mwenye facts anaonekana ni nani hapa.

Na anayejifanya naye anaonekana.

Kwenda zako shetani.

Kwa hiyo point yako ni kuandika uongo kwa matarajio tuje tupinge?

 

[Registered_jf]

Kwa hiyo point yako ni kuandika uongo kwa matarajio tuje tupinge?

Hujaonyesha huo uongo.
Wewe ni muongo.

 

[Spinozist]

Hata wasiomwamini Yesu na wasomi ya historia wapagani wanajua Yesu aliishi hapa duniani.
Kusema kwamba hakukuwahi kuwa na Yesu kwenye historia ya ulimwengu huu ni kujidhalilisha uonekane mjinga.
Unaweza kataa kuhusu uungu wa Yesu, kufa na kufufuka kwake lakini kubishana kuhusu historical Jesus hata msomi mpagani asiyemwamini Yesu hawezi kukuunga mkono.

NB: Wazazi mkiwa mnapeleka watoto shule wasisitizeni wawapo masomoni wawe serious

Jielimisheni wakristo.

Hivi mtu mzima kabisa unakubali kuaminishwa kuwa ati Nyoka alizungumza kwa sauti akamdanganya binadamu.
Ni Dunia ipi hiyo ambayo Nyoka huwa wanaongea maneno?

Ati mnaambiwa kwamba Joshua alisimamisha Jua, hivi hata jiografia ya darasa la 5 mmeshindwa kuitumia kuelewa kati ya Jua na Dunia ni kipi kina zunguka mwenzake?

Ati Binadamu wa kwanza alikuwa Adam na Eva halafu wakazaa watoto halafu dunia ikafikisha watu bilioni 7+.
Ati ni mwanaume gani wa kikristo anaweza kumuoa dada yake au mdogo wake wakike, au hata binamu tu?

Ati anakwambia safina ya Nuhu ilimbeba Simba na Swala kwa pamoja kwa siku 40, bila ya Simba kumfanya swala kitoweo?

Enyi Wakristo hamuoni yakwamba mnamfaa kuwa VICHEKESHO VYA MIAKA 10,000 kwa mnayoyaamini.

Ama kweli ndio maana mmebaki kuwa mtaji wa Wafanyabiashara za kidini na wanasiasa.

Ati sisi ni kondoó wa Bwana. Ninyi ni Kondoo wa Wanasiasa na kina Mwamposa, mtaendelea kuchinjwa sana kifedha, na kiakili na YESU hatarudi.
Richard Dawkins "Religion is the Virus of the Mind"

 

[Registered_jf]

Jielimisheni wakristo.

Hivi mtu mzima kabisa unakubali kuaminishwa kuwa ati Nyoka alizungumza kwa sauti akamdanganya binadamu.
Ni Dunia ipi hiyo ambayo Nyoka huwa wanaongea maneno?

Ati mnaambiwa kwamba Joshua alisimamisha Jua, hivi hata jiografia ya darasa la 5 mmeshindwa kuitumia kuelewa kati ya Jua na Dunia ni kipi kina zunguka mwenzake?

Ati Binadamu wa kwanza alikuwa Adam na Eva halafu wakazaa watoto halafu dunia ikafikisha watu bilioni 7+.
Ati ni mwanaume gani wa kikristo anaweza kumuoa dada yake au mdogo wake wakike, au hata binamu tu?

Ati anakwambia safina ya Nuhu ilimbeba Simba na Swala kwa pamoja kwa siku 40, bila ya Simba kumfanya swala kitoweo?

Enyi Wakristo hamuoni yakwamba mnamfaa kuwa VICHEKESHO VYA MIAKA 10,000 kwa mnayoyaamini.

Ama kweli ndio maana mmebaki kuwa mtaji wa Wafanyabiashara za kidini na wanasiasa.

Ati sisi ni kondoó wa Bwana. Ninyi ni Kondoo wa Wanasiasa na kina Mwamposa, mtaendelea kuchinjwa sana kifedha, na kiakili na YESU hatarudi.
Richard Dawkins "Religion is the Virus of the Mind"

Kurudiarudia kunachosha. Last reply.

Achana na Logic za bei rahisi. Tafuta Kweli.

1) Hapa naelezea kuwa: Kweli inapita mantiki. Kweli inaweza kupingana na sheria za mantiki:

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2) Hapa ni mfano kukuonyesha jinsi ambavyo msioamini mnabisha vitu ambavyo hamvijui kwasababu ya kukremisha Logic za bei rahisi.

Mwenzio huyu alikuwa haamini safina iliweza kubeba mzigo wote ule kwahiyo ni story tu:

Post in thread 'Kama ingetokea watu wakamuamini Nuhu au nusu yao tu je safina ingetosha kuwabeba watu wote Dunia nzima?' Kama ingetokea watu wakamuamini Nuhu au nusu yao tu je safina ingetosha kuwabeba watu wote Dunia nzima?


Nikamuaga kwa Summary hii:

Watalaam wameshatafiti kama ulivyoona hapo juu na kuona kuwa Safina:

i) ilikuwa bora kabisa,

ii) ilikuwa na nafasi ya kutosha wanyama na vyakula vilivyobebwa

iii) na bado ilibaki nafasi tele kwaajili ya maelfu ya watu kwakuwa zaidi ya robo ya uzito ambao ungeweza kubebwa na safina ulibaki wazi.

iv) Watalaam wameshatafiti na kuona kweli kuliwahi kutokea mafuriko dunia nzima, tena maelfu machache tu ya miaka yaliyopita.

v) Wataalam wametafiti wameona kweli binadamu leo walitokana na watu sita miaka 4000 iliyopita.

vi) Watalaam wameshatafiti wameona varieties za wanyama zilizopo leo kweli zilitokana na aina zilizobebwa kwenye safina.

Wewe nishakuaga huko nyuma narudia:

Urudi hapa ukishakubali YESU aliishi, aliuawa, alifufuka karne ya kwanza.

 

[Spinozist]

Science inaelezea repeatable facts.

Dini inaelezea historia!

Apples and Oranges.

Huwezi kusema wataunda dini mpya, unasimama kwenye msingi / dhana potofu tayari: kuwa Dini zote ni uongo.

YOU'RE WRONG. Dini ya kweli IPO.

Maarifa ya kisayansi yatagunduliwa tena kwa sababu yanaelezea mifumo inayojirudia katika asili.

Vipi mambo yaliyotokea kabla ya kumbukumbu kufutwa? Je ni ya uongo au hayakuwepo kwasababu tu umeyasahau? ?

UKWELI utasimama milele.

Dini ya kweli ipo.

YESU ndiye KWELI.

Fanya kama kumbukumbu yako ilifurwa na sasa unatafuta ukweli upya. Ukitaka kusave muda, anza kwa YESU.

Kurudiarudia kunachosha. Last reply.

Achana na Logic za bei rahisi. Tafuta Kweli.

1) Hapa naelezea kuwa: Kweli inapita mantiki. Kweli inaweza kupingana na sheria za mantiki:

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2) Hapa ni mfano kukuonyesha jinsi ambavyo msioamini mnabisha vitu ambavyo hamvijui kwasababu ya kukremisha Logic za bei rahisi.

Mwenzio huyu alikuwa haamini safina iliweza kubeba mzigo wote ule kwahiyo ni story tu:

Post in thread 'Kama ingetokea watu wakamuamini Nuhu au nusu yao tu je safina ingetosha kuwabeba watu wote Dunia nzima?' Kama ingetokea watu wakamuamini Nuhu au nusu yao tu je safina ingetosha kuwabeba watu wote Dunia nzima?


Nikamuaga kwa Summary hii:

Watalaam wameshatafiti kama ulivyoona hapo juu na kuona kuwa Safina:

i) ilikuwa bora kabisa,

ii) ilikuwa na nafasi ya kutosha wanyama na vyakula vilivyobebwa

iii) na bado ilibaki nafasi tele kwaajili ya maelfu ya watu kwakuwa zaidi ya robo ya uzito ambao ungeweza kubebwa na safina ulibaki wazi.

iv) Watalaam wameshatafiti na kuona kweli kuliwahi kutokea mafuriko dunia nzima, tena maelfu machache tu ya miaka yaliyopita.

v) Wataalam wametafiti wameona kweli binadamu leo walitokana na watu sita miaka 4000 iliyopita.

vi) Watalaam wameshatafiti wameona varieties za wanyama zilizopo leo kweli zilitokana na aina zilizobebwa kwenye safina.

Wewe nishakuaga huko nyuma narudia:

Urudi hapa ukishakubali YESU aliishi, aliuawa, alifufuka karne ya kwanza.

Ninakuonya 7 × 70 Wewe pamoja na wenzako wote. ACHENI UPOTOSHAJI MARA MOJA
Dunia tunayoishi ina umri wa miaka zaidi ya bilioni 4.
Dalrymple (2001), Geological Society, London, Special Publications 190 anaeleza jinsi U-Pb dating ya meteorites (hasa Canyon Diablo) livyotoa umri wa ~4.54 bilioni miaka kwa Dunia.
Hii imehakikiwa kupitia mifumo tofauti ya isotopes (U-Pb, Rb-Sr, Sm-Nd) na matokeo yanalingana (convergent validation). Hivyo ndivyo sayansi inavyofanya kazi: data → peer review → reproducibility → consensus.
Sasa tuje kwenye hoja uchwara za safina:

1) Ni wataalamu gani waliopublish utafiti wa kisayansi unaothibitisha Safina ya Nuhu?​

Hakuna tafiti zozote za geology, paleontology, au population genetics zilizopitiwa na wataalamu (peer-reviewed mainstream journals) zinazothibitisha global flood ya miaka ~4,000 iliyopita au uwepo wa safina kama tukio la kihistoria la kimataifa.

Makundi uchwara ya vichororoni ya kikristo kama Answers in Genesis au Institute for Creation Research huchapisha kwenye majarida yao wenyewe, lakini hayo si sehemu ya fasihi ya kisayansi inayokubalika kimataifa. Ndiyo yana wapotosha.

2) Walichapisha kwenye journal gani la kisayansi?​

Hakuna publication katika majarida makubwa kama:

• Nature
• Science
• Geology
• Journal of Geophysical Research
• Earth and Planetary Science Letters

inayothibitisha global flood ya kipindi cha miaka 4000 iliyopita.

3) Nani alireview na kutangaza kama fact?​

Katika sayansi, “fact” si tamko la mamlaka; ni matokeo yanayorudiwa na kuthibitishwa mara nyingi na tafiti huru.

Global flood ya miaka 4,000:

• Haionekani kwenye tabaka za miamba kimataifa.
• Haionekani kwenye ice cores za Greenland/Antarctica.
• Haiendani na genetics ya binadamu (effective population size haishuki hadi watu 6 miaka 4000 iliyopita).

Hivyo basi huo ni UPOTOSHAJI nitakao upinga kwa nguvu zote.

4) Epic of Gilgamesh imewadaka pabaya😎😎​

Kitaalamu (comparative mythology na Ancient Near Eastern studies), ni kweli kwamba simulizi za mafuriko katika kitabu cha Mwanzo inafanana kwa kiasi kikubwa na simulizi la Epic of Gilgamesh (Utnapishtim flood account), ambalo ni ya kale zaidi (karne nyingi kabla ya maandishi ya Mwanzo).

Hii imejadiliwa sana kwenye tafiti za:

• Ancient Near Eastern literature
• Biblical scholarship (mfano tafiti za comparative textual analysis)

Hata wanatheolojia wengi wanakubali kuwa kuna uhusiano wa kifasihi kati ya masimulizi hayo.

Simulizi za mafuriko ya Utnapishtim inapatikana katika Epic of Gilgamesh, hasa katika toleo la Standard Babylonian Version lililoandikwa takribani 1200–1000 BCE.
Toleo la mapema zaidi la simulizi hilo linatokana na Atrahasis Epic, ambalo linawekwa karibu 1700 BCE (Old Babylonian period).
Hata maandishi ya Kisumeri yanayojulikana kama Eridu Genesis yanaonyesha simulizi la mafuriko lililokuwepo takribani 1800 BCE au mapema zaidi.
Kwa upande mwingine, wasomi wengi wa Biblia wanaweka uandishi wa mwisho wa simulizi la Nuhu katika kitabu cha Mwanzo (Priestly source) karibu 550–500 BCE, wakati au baada ya Uhamisho wa Babeli.
Hivyo, kwa mujibu wa uchambuzi wa kitaaluma wa maandiko ya Mashariki ya Kale, simulizi za Mesopotamia za mafuriko ni za zamani kwa takribani miaka 1000 kabla ya maandishi ya Mwanzo katika muundo wake wa sasa.

Sources:​

• George, A. R. (2003). The Babylonian Gilgamesh Epic. Oxford University Press.
• Lambert, W. G. & Millard, A. R. (1969). Atra-Hasis: The Babylonian Story of the Flood. Oxford University Press.
• Carr, D. M. (2011). The Formation of the Hebrew Bible. Oxford University Press.

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Ukristo wa kilokole kwa kiwango kikubwa ni UPOTOSHAJI uliohalalishwa na JAMII.
Ndio maana flat earthers wengi ni Wakristo walokole. Ni kwasababu kirusi cha dini kimenyonya bongolala zenu.

Carl Sagan (1995), The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”

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[Enthusiastic]

Jielimisheni wakristo.

Hivi mtu mzima kabisa unakubali kuaminishwa kuwa ati Nyoka alizungumza kwa sauti akamdanganya binadamu.
Ni Dunia ipi hiyo ambayo Nyoka huwa wanaongea maneno?

Ati mnaambiwa kwamba Joshua alisimamisha Jua, hivi hata jiografia ya darasa la 5 mmeshindwa kuitumia kuelewa kati ya Jua na Dunia ni kipi kina zunguka mwenzake?

Ati Binadamu wa kwanza alikuwa Adam na Eva halafu wakazaa watoto halafu dunia ikafikisha watu bilioni 7+.
Ati ni mwanaume gani wa kikristo anaweza kumuoa dada yake au mdogo wake wakike, au hata binamu tu?

Ati anakwambia safina ya Nuhu ilimbeba Simba na Swala kwa pamoja kwa siku 40, bila ya Simba kumfanya swala kitoweo?

Enyi Wakristo hamuoni yakwamba mnamfaa kuwa VICHEKESHO VYA MIAKA 10,000 kwa mnayoyaamini.

Ama kweli ndio maana mmebaki kuwa mtaji wa Wafanyabiashara za kidini na wanasiasa.

Ati sisi ni kondoó wa Bwana. Ninyi ni Kondoo wa Wanasiasa na kina Mwamposa, mtaendelea kuchinjwa sana kifedha, na kiakili na YESU hatarudi.
Richard Dawkins "Religion is the Virus of the Mind"

I'm talking about historical Jesus ambaye kuna extra biblical proofs nyingi about his existence. Huko ulikoenda bado nako nakuona huna maarifa. Not every biblical text should be interpreted literally.

 

[Spinozist]

I'm talking about historical Jesus ambaye kuna extra biblical proofs nyingi about his existence. Huko ulikoenda bado nako nakuona huna maarifa. Not every biblical text should be interpreted literally.

I am talking about the fictional Jesus ambaye kuna existing proofs nyingi about him being mythologised by early Judeo-Christian.
Scholarships from Scholars such as Richard Carrier, Robert Price, and David Fitzgerald, have shown that.

Wakristo mnatapatapa sana na kitabu chenu, haya You tell me and list all that is in the bible that should be interpreted allegorically and which one should be interpreted literarily.

 

[Enthusiastic]

I am talking about the fictional Jesus ambaye kuna existing proofs nyingi about him being mythologised by early Judeo-Christian.
Scholarships from Scholars such as Richard Carrier, Robert Price, and David Fitzgerald, have shown that.

Wakristo mnatapatapa sana na kitabu chenu, haya You tell me and list all that is in the bible that should be interpreted allegorically and which one should be interpreted literarily.

Oh! Kumbe fictional jesus!! Ndio kunaweza kuwa na fictional jesus but the evidence of fictional jesus is not the absence of historical Jesus.

 

[Kiranga]

Kupinga habari za kuwapo kwa Mungu si lazima kuwe kutaka kuwabadilisha wanaoamini.

Kwa sababu, inawezekana mtu akapinga habari hizo kwa.

1. Kukataa kuingiliwa uhuru wake.

2. Kuonesha wengine wenye mawazo kama yake kuwa hawako peke yao.

3. Kuwajulisha watu walio na utashi wa kuelewa kuwa kuna upande huu wa hoja.

 

[Kiranga]

Logical reasoning ndio mwenye mamlaka hayo.

Bila ya logical reasoning ambayo ndio msingi wa sayansi, hata mimi nawewe tusengeweza kuwasiliana kidigitali.

Watu wanaong'ang'ania maswali ya nani, kwenye mambo yaliyo broad, mambo ambayo pengine yamepita level ya nani, wanafanya kasumba ya ku overpersonalize mambo, kasumba hii inaitwa anthropic bias.

Mtu anauliza nani kaumba ulimwengu.

Anajuaje hili ni suala la kuuliza "nani" ?

 

[Spinozist]

Oh! Kumbe fictional jesus!! Ndio kunaweza kuwa na fictional jesus but the evidence of fictional jesus is not the absence of historical Jesus.

That is where science comes to the rescue to show whose evidence leads to truth.

Mainstream scholars now agrees that Adam, Eve, Abraham, Noah, Moses, Cain, Abel were all fictional characters and they never existed physically, this is a milestone in Academia, but it took many centuries for scientific researchers to prove that and convince the intellectual religious community of this reality.

With time the works of Richard Carrier, Robert Price, and David Fitzgerald who are exploring the mythological aspects surrounding the figure of Jesus of Nazareth will likely be accepted within mainstream scholarly debates.

 

[Jagina]

Dr. Michael Guillen anasema:
Ukristo na Sayansi umeanza karibia wakati uleule, karibia miaka 2000 iliyopita (tuki assume sayansi ya kisasa imeanza na Aristotle).

Tangu vimeanza, Ukristo (Biblia) ni kama mlima uliosimama imara, haujabadilika. Huku sayansi ikiwa mto unaoenda ukiyumbayumba.

Tangu mto wa sanyansi uanze, je unazidi kwenda mbali na Mlima huu, au unazidi kuusogelea?

Kwa maana nyingine, je inatia akili kuamini mtazamo wa maisha wa Kikristo katika karne hii ya mtazamo wa maisha wa Kisayansi?

1) Zamani wanasayansi waliamini ulimwemgu ulikuwepo milele. Wakaja kugundua ulimwengu ulikuwa na mwanzo.

"Hapo mwanzo Mungu aliumba mbingu na dunia."
Mwanzo.1.1.NENO


2) Wanasayansi wamegundua kuwa Uhalisia wa ulimwengu (Reality) kwa kawaida hauonekani, ni takriban asilimia 5% tu ya uhalisia ndio inaonekana (dark matter, dark energy hazionekani, tunaona tu matokeo yake).

Ndomaana tumeagizwa:
"Kwa hivyo hatuangalii yale yanayoonekana, bali yale yasiyoonekana. Kwa maana yale yanayoonekana ni ya kitambo tu, bali yale yasiyoonekana ni ya milele."
2Wakorintho.4.18.NENO

Sayansi haipingi neno la MUNGU, inaithibisha.


3) Wanasayansi wamegundua kuwa Kweli nyingi za ulimwengu hazina mantiki, zinapita mantiki (Dr. Guillen anaziita translogical).

Mfano:
A) Quantum Physics.
Quantum Physics ni Sayansi ya vichembe vidogo kabisa, katika kiwango ambacho sheria za kawaida za fizikia hazifanyi kazi.

Kwenye Quantum Physics:
i) Kitu kinaweza kuwa katika hali mbili tofauti kwa wakati mmoja (Superposition).

ii) Vitu viwili vinaweza kuathiriana papo hapo hata vikiwa mbali kabisa (Entanglement).

iii) Kitu kinaweza ku behave kama mawimbi na kama kitu kigumu kwa wakati mmoja.

Haya mambo matatu yako kinyume na sheria za mantiki lakini ni kweli zinazopimika na ndio msingi wa teknlojia za kisasa kama GPS.

B) Mfano mwingine: Gödel’s incompleteness theorem.

Hii nadharia ya kutokamilika ya Gödel inasema kuwa: katika mfumo wowote wa kimantiki wenye uwezo wa kuelezea hesabu, kuna kauli za kweli ambazo haziwezi kuthibitishwa kimantiki ndani ya mfumo huo.

Sasa ona: "Kauli hii haiwezi kuthibitishwa ndani ya mfumo huu."

i) Basi, Ikiwa mfumo unaweza kuthibitisha kauli hiyo, basi kauli hiyo ni ya uongo (kwa sababu imesemwa kuwa kauli hiyo haiwezi kuthibitishwa), na mfumo unakuwa unathibitisha jambo la uongo, maana yake mfumo huo si thabiti.

iii) Lakini, Ikiwa mfumo hauwezi kuithibitisha, basi kauli hiyo ni ya kweli, lakini haiwezi kuthibitishwa ndani ya mfumo huo.

iv) Kwa vyovyote vile, kuna kauli ya kweli ambayo mfumo huo hauwezi kuithibitisha.

Mfano wa mfano huu:
a) Fikiria kitabu kinacholenga kuwa na kauli zote za kweli za kihisabati. Kinatumia sheria maalum (axioms) kuthibitisha kauli hizo.

b) Gödel anaonyesha kuwa kitabu hicho kama ni thabiti, hakiwezi kuwa kamili kwasababu sikuzote kutakuwa na kauli ambazo ni za kweli lakini haziwezi kuthibitishwa kwa kutumia sheria za hicho kitabu.

c) Kuongeza sheria zaidi hakutatui tatizo bali kweli mpya zisizothibitishika zitaendelea kuonekana.

d) Hivyo, ukweli ni mkubwa kuliko uthibitisho, na sheria za mantiki zina mipaka yake. (Ukisikia Mantiki ya bei rahisi).

Ndomaana MUNGU anatuambia:
“Kwa kuwa mawazo yangu si mawazo yenu, wala njia zenu si njia zangu,” asema Mwenyezi Mungu.

“Kama vile mbingu zilivyo juu kuliko dunia, ndivyo njia zangu zilivyo juu kuliko njia zenu na mawazo yangu kuliko mawazo yenu."
isaya.55.8-9.NENO

Dr. Guillen anasema YESU si wa kimantiki (lakini ni moja ya kweli tunaoshuhudia ulimwenguni)


4) Uhalisia (Reality) ni wa ajabu usio na kikomo (Infinitely mysterious)

Dr. Guillen anasema alifikiri Sayansi ikipewa muda ingejibu maswali yake yote.

Lakini anakuja kugundua Sanyansi ikijibu swali moja, 100 yanazuka. Kila wakigundua kitu, wanagundua na mengine hivi kwamba wanajikuta wanahitaji teknolojia kubwa zaidi, mashine kubwa zaidi kulichunguza, ni kama shimo lisilo na mwisho!

"Yeye hutenda maajabu yasiyoweza kutambuliwa, miujiza isiyoweza kuhesabika."
Ayubu.5.9.NENO


5) Muda ni mstari ulionyooka.

Zamani wanasayansi walifikiri muda ni duara, kwamba historia itajirudia.

(Ni kama zile imani za kule mashariki wanavyoamini kuwa ulimwengu unaanza na kuharibiwa over and over forever, na nafsi zetu zinarudi tena na tena).

Ukristo umejua kuwa ulimwengu uliumbwa mara moja, na YESU atarudi mara moja.

“Tazama, naja upesi! Thawabu yangu i mkononi mwangu, nami nitampa kila mtu sawasawa na alivyotenda.

Mimi ni Alfa na Omega, wa Kwanza na wa Mwisho, Mwanzo na Mwisho.
Ufunuo.22.12-13.NENO


6) Kwenye kiini chale kabisa, Ulimwengu ni wa kiroho (Supernatural).

Ukisoma Sayansi ya kisasa, mfano Quantum Mechanics (Sayansi ya tabia za chembe ndogo zaidi), unaelewa kuwa ni ngumu kutofautisha kipi ni cha kimwili na kipi kimepita mwili (Supernatural, cha kiroho).

Quantum Mechanics kwakweli imepita mwili, ni ya kiroho, na ndiyo msingi wa Sayansi ya kisasa.

Bilbia ilishatuambia kuwa tunakabiliana na viumbe ambao wamepita mwili (Supernatural):

"Kwa maana kushindana kwetu si dhidi ya mwili na damu, bali dhidi ya falme na mamlaka, dhidi ya wakuu wa ulimwengu huu wa giza na majeshi ya pepo wabaya katika ulimwengu wa roho."
Waefeso.6.12.NENO


7) Wanabayolojia wa mageuzi wanakubali kuwa Binadamu (Homo sapiens sapiens) si kama wanyama wengine. Ni wa kipekee.


8) Ulimwengu umesetiwa mahususi kwa ajili ya kutegemeza maisha. Vipimo vyake thabiti visivyobadilika visingekuwa mahususi kama vilivyo, ulimwengu usingekuwepo.

Mfano:
i) Fine Structure Constant: inashikilia atoms
ii) Electron to proton mass ratio: inaongoza sheria za kemia.
iii) Strong Nuclear Force: inaunganisha atoms.

iv) Electromagnetic Force constant: ina support sheria za kemia.
v) Gravitational constant: inashikilia nyota, sayari, anga za sayari n.k

vi) Kasi ya mwanga: inaongoza sheria za kemia.
vii) Planck's constant: ina support sheria za kemia.

9) Dr. Guillen anasema Time, Space and Matter sio kati ya Kweli za kudumu (Absolute truths), hizo ni kweli za upande fulani (Relative truths).

Kwahiyo akisikia mkristo anabishania umri wa ulimwengu anajua hajui wanaongelea nini, ukweli ni kuwa Ulimwengu una mabilioni ya miaka au umri wake haujafika hata sekundi moja, ikitegemea unatazamia kutoka wapi.

Sayansi inaongea kutoka upande mmoja na Biblia kutoka upande mwingine na zote ni kweli kwasabu ni pande tofauti.

Muda ni mfumo rejeleo (reference frame), muda sio kweli ya kudumu.

(Taarifa: dunia ina umri wa miaka elfu chache tu)

Highlight:
1) Kweli inaweza isiwe na mantiki
2) Ukweli ni mkubwa kuliko uthibtisho
3) Sheria za mantiki zina mipaka yake.
4) Kuna kweli za kudumu na kweli za upande fulani.

Sayansi haithibitishi Ukristo wala Uislamu—inaelezea jinsi ulimwengu unavyofanya kazi, si kwa nini upo.
Quantum physics, Gödel, au “trans-logical” hazivunji mantiki; zinaonyesha mipaka ya sayansi, si kwamba contradiction ni ukweli.

Katika Uislamu, Allah habadiliki na haingii kwenye uumbaji; ni Kiumbe wa Lazima aliye juu ya muda, nafasi na maada—tofauti kabisa na madai ya Yesu kuwa Mungu.

Kwa hiyo: ukweli haupingani na mantiki; kinachozidi sayansi si sawa na kuvunja mantiki.

 

[Jagina]

That is where science comes to the rescue to show whose evidence leads to truth.

Mainstream scholars now agrees that Adam, Eve, Abraham, Noah, Moses, Cain, Abel were all fictional characters and they never existed physically, this is a milestone in Academia, but it took many centuries for scientific researchers to prove that and convince the intellectual religious community of this reality.

With time the works of Richard Carrier, Robert Price, and David Fitzgerald who are exploring the mythological aspects surrounding the figure of Jesus of Nazareth will likely be accepted within mainstream scholarly debates.

Science doesn’t decide history by consensus or prediction—it follows evidence.
There is no mainstream scholarly consensus that Adam, Noah, Moses, or Abraham are ‘proven fictional,’ and claiming future acceptance of mythicism (e.g. Richard Carrier, Robert Price, David Fitzgerald) is speculation, not science.

Absence of archaeological proof is not a proof of non-existence.

 

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Quantum physics, Gödel, au “trans-logical” hazivunji mantiki; zinaonyesha mipaka ya sayansi, si kwamba contradiction ni ukweli.

Zinaaonyesha kuwa sheria za mantiki zina mipaka! Kuna kweli zipo haziwezi kuthibitishwa na sheria hizo! !

You gerrit?

 

[Jagina]

Zinaaonyesha kuwa sheria za mantiki zina mipaka! Kuna kweli zipo haziwezi kuthibitishwa na sheria hizo! !

You gerrit?

Kuwa na mipaka ya kuthibitisha si sawa na kuvunja mantiki; Gödel na quantum zinaonyesha mipaka ya proof na models, si kwamba contradiction inakuwa kweli

 

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Kuwa na mipaka ya kuthibitisha si sawa na kuvunja mantiki; Gödel na quantum zinaonyesha mipaka ya proof na models, si kwamba contradiction inakuwa kweli

Sio wewe uliyetoka kusema

"infinite and finite are mutually exclusive definitions—something cannot be unlimited and limited in the same respect at the same time."

Sasa how comes kitu kuwa "juu na chini kwa wakati mmoja" sio mutually exclusive?

Kitu kuwa "point mbili tofauti kwa wakati mmoja" sio mutually exclusive?

Unatumia sheria za logic kama chombo tu cha kukufaa. Yani unaniambia navunja sheria, halafu na wewe unavunja sheria ku prove kuwa navunja sheria.

Sebene la mkana MUNGU limekuwa sebene na KOBAZ

 

[Jagina]

Sio wewe uliyetoka kusema

"infinite and finite are mutually exclusive definitions—something cannot be unlimited and limited in the same respect at the same time."

Sasa how comes kitu kuwa "juu na chini kwa wakati mmoja" sio mutually exclusive?

Kitu kuwa "point mbili tofauti kwa wakati mmoja" sio mutually exclusive?

Unatumia sheria za logic kama chombo tu cha kukufaa. Yani unaniambia navunja sheria, halafu na wewe unavunja sheria ku prove kuwa navunja sheria.

Sebene la mkana MUNGU limekuwa sebene na KOBAZ

Logic in human terms ni chombo cha kuelewa ulimwengu wa kawaida.

Ulimwengu wa mwongozo wa kiroho unaweza kuzidi mipaka ya logic ya kawaida bila kuikataa; hii si contradiction, ni transcendence.

Kusema 'superposition' au 'miracles' vinavunja logic ya binadamu si sawa na kusema ukweli haupo

 

[Spinozist]

Science doesn’t decide history by consensus or prediction—it follows evidence.
There is no mainstream scholarly consensus that Adam, Noah, Moses, or Abraham are ‘proven fictional,’ and claiming future acceptance of mythicism (e.g. Richard Carrier, Robert Price, David Fitzgerald) is speculation, not science.

Absence of archaeological proof is not a proof of non-existence.

Science doesn’t decide history by consensus or prediction—it follows evidence.
There is no mainstream scholarly consensus that Adam, Noah, Moses, or Abraham are ‘proven fictional,’ and claiming future acceptance of mythicism (e.g. Richard Carrier, Robert Price, David Fitzgerald) is speculation, not science.

Absence of archaeological proof is not a proof of non-existence.

Scholarly consensus about the biblical patriarchs (such as Adam, Noah, Abraham, and Moses) was not reached by voting or ideology, but through cumulative research in archaeology, textual criticism, and comparative Ancient Near Eastern studies. Excavations in the Levant and Egypt—analyzed by scholars like William G. Dever and Israel Finkelstein—have not produced independent material evidence confirming the patriarchal narratives as described. Literary and source analysis further indicates that these texts were composed and edited centuries after the periods they depict, reflecting later theological concerns. In addition, the flood story of Noah closely parallels earlier Mesopotamian traditions such as the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Atrahasis Epic, suggesting that elements of the narrative were adapted from older regional sources, and similar comparative patterns are observed in other patriarchal traditions. When these independent lines of evidence converged, scholars gradually concluded—not that the patriarchs are “proven fictional,” but that their stories function primarily as theological and literary constructions rather than independently verifiable historical biographies.